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Just out of curiosity, are you asking for help with studying, or have you sneaked a mobile phone into the exam hall and are asking us for help with cheating?

This does look really cool. Whoever will participate will probably need a free week starting the 24th if I'm looking at the rules here.

The main vote seems to be between Aonar and Kipper. My thoughts on the two are bellow. This is in addition to what others have said, but I'll try not to repeat what has been said before. Kipper has been going somewhat inactive. His last post was at the start of D4, and he's last been active on the forums last thursday. This doesn't exactly clear him, but to me it suggests he's probably not the inquisitor, as I'd expect the inquisitor to do his best to remain active. Going through his posts, he had been opposing the D1 lynch. I believe it was Wilson who argued that the inquisitor would not do that because it wouldn't benefit him in any way, so that makes me lean towards Kipper not being the inquisitor. This leaves the possibility of him having been converted N2 or N3. I don't really see anything indicating he has been converted N2. I don't really see any differences in how he was posting that day compared to the previous ones, but this is my first game with him, so maybe others can pick up on things. After N3, he has posted only once, in which he voted on HH, and voiced his disagreement regarding people making failsafes to prevent conversion. I might be wrong, but given Kippers insistent on logical actions, I don't really see why he'd post something like that the day he'd been converted. @Herowannabe, could you tell me when Kipper asked if you where the seeker? Apologies if you already said this somewhere and I just missed it. Anyway, on to Aonar. He's posted less content wise in the thread, and claims he's been doing a lot in PM's instead. Now, PM's are here to be used, and I can understand using them to talk some suspicions and ideas over before throwing them into the thread. However, by keeping all his ideas and suspicions confined to PM's Aonar makes it far harder for people to get a read on him. His insistence on this strategy makes me suspect he's trying to hide something. So I'm voting on Aonar, for now. Edit: Vote tally Aonar(4): Jondesu, ecthelion, Elenion randuir Kipper(3): Hero, Aonar, Wilson Metacognition(1): Lopen

I'm not quite a 100% yet, so I'm going to refrain from attempting any analysis (we all saw how that turned out in the second day of last cycle). However, there's a couple of things I'd like to comment on. First, the kill-messages from this cycle. If I had to take a guess, I'd say that the anonymous player that was attacked had protection, while meta was a thug(or, potentially the inquisitor). The reasoning being that a thug needs to know he has been attacked, because they lose a life, while that isn't necessary for protection. Second, meta's role. Meta has technically been online in time to put in a conversion order for last cycle, I think. This means that it is technically possible for Meta to be the inquisitor, but I don't think it's very likely. Furthermore, as long as he remains inactive, the converts are a bigger threat, so unless we reach a complete dead-end in our search for other suspects (or meta returns), I'd say we should let him be for now. And that's it already. I'll try and post something more concrete tomorrow.

Had a nap, didn't feel much better. I think I'm coming down with a cold or something. If I survive, expect somewhat lessened activity for the next day or two. Anyway, I haven't seen any response yet from either Ecthelion or Yitzi on my request to elaborate further regarding their vote on me, So I'll vote on Ecth, for now. I'm actually slightly more suspicious of Yitzi2, but since no one seems to share that suspicion, I'll go with the vote that at least has a chance to see me survive the lynch. More explanation of my view on ecth can be found above. This'll be my last post today, as I'm now going back to sleep and hopefully wake up feeling better.

Maybe you haven't noticed this yet, but I try to go with something approaching proof before I declare someone's alignment. That is, some contradiction in someone's statements, an overreaction of some sort, or whatever. So I might have suspicions, but until I can actually show something, I can't say I'e got an evilr ead on them. a gut-feeling maybe (on that matter, I've got one about Yitzi2), but until I've gone through his posts U'm disinclined to vote. The only situation when I d'm not looking form something approaching actual proof is when dealing with inactive. Regarding my comment about suspicion on me, I agree everyone has scrutiny, but both Lopen and Jondesu have mentioned they where going to keep an eye on me specifically, because of my apparent good performance in LG30. Anyway, If this cycle lasted another 24 hours, I could sleep my current state off and make an actually coherent defence, but it seems that won't be the case.

Yeah, I just found out when I was going over Lopen's posts. I believe I've mentioned I'm not at my best right now. Edit: the fact that you bothered to point that out means I'm keeping you at tentatively village. If I don't get lynched, I'll take a longer look at your posts.

So, I said I'd cover the rest of Lopen's suspicions as well, being Len, Rae and Hero, as well as Lopen himself. Let's get started with Elenion. A couple of others have already talked about him, so I'll try to keep this very short. His posts and playstyle do remind me of how he played in QF22, when I was his partner. There's nothing particularly indicative of him being an elim, so I've got him listed tentatively as village. *We now take a break to deal with a Ninja* I agree about not wanting vote manip. However, why do you pick me over HH? *We'll be back with our regular programming in a bit* Edit: Anyway, we where looking at Rae. She's posted a bunch of times, but there is not one post I can point to and say 'that completely reveals her alignment'. I'm getting a bit of a villager vibe from her, but I can't point to exactly where it's coming from, so don't take my word for it. On to Hero. I've talked about mys suspicions of him before, but he made a good point regarding the idea to have everyone vote and then use the vote manips as a kind of seeker. It's not a perfect system, as the converts might have smoked random people for the exact purpose of making them look suspicious, and we can't completely rule out the presence of more village smokers. However, it is a plan, which is more than I've seen most people come up with (outside of the secretive group of confirmed villagers of that one tineye). That's it for this post. It's a lot shorter than I've been before, but I've had an exam and a bit of lack of sleep to deal with today. I'll get to Lopen in a bit.

So, @Hemalurgic_Headshot HH has been doing a decent amount of RP in the early stages of the game. I'd like to note that, like in LG31, there seem to be 3 of him, so I'm wondering if that is some kind of theme. It's not particularly important to the issue at hand, however. He did make some comments in D1 that looked like discussion, but had very little actual content, being either a summary of what had happened, or something really quite obvious. In D2, HH mentions the important of making plans, but he doesn't really contribute on the plan-making front himself. He also bandwagons onto Drought, but seeing that bandwagoning seems to be usual for him, that'snot particularly alignment indicative (though still a bad habit). On D3, he joins a bandwagon on Araris. I find this odd, not because of the bandwagoning, but because of the target. Yes, Wilson seems to be a rather respected player and initiated this by placing a vote on Araris. However, she stated int he post that the vote was meant more as a prod to be more active, so I can't really see why HH decided to go here. None of His D4 posts have been particularly alignment indicative either. Anyway, I'm still reading Neutral on HH, though I'm starting to lean slightly elim. Next up, @Magestar. Magestar hasn't been posting much outside of Day 1. His posts haven't been particularly alignment indicative, though the elim(if the elim was responsible for the kills, and I see little reason why it could have been a coinshot) seems to have taken his advice on killing random people. In a way, this reminds me a bit of QF22, in which mage wasn't terribly active either, and was proven to be an elim in the end. However, mage did get at least a single post in each day on QF22, so I think his lack of posting this game is genuine inactivity, rather than an elim trying to hide. Neutral read on mage. Right, last on the list is @Ecthelion III. He's been doing a bit of RP (which reminds me, I should put up some RP as well again, if I get the time), and voted on Mark, with no direct reason given. When he got called on this, he was quite forthcoming with reasoning, however. In the first night he is accused of being a rioter, but deflects this, and passes that particular ball on to Drake. His logic seems sound (though, of course, Drake was later proven to not be the rioter). His activity then seemed to drop a bit, but he's already commented on that, so I'm not going to go into that. What I do find interesting is his comment against the bandwagoning that has been going on, which he has used to justify a vote against Elenion. The reason I'm bringing this up is that his vote on me,as it is currently formulated, seems rather bandwagony. Therefore, Ecthelion I'd like to hear some more justification than just "I'm with Lopen" regarding your vote on me. I'm not yet particularly suspicious(Neutral, actually) of Ecthelion, so I'll hold on on voting for him until I've seen more of his justification (or a lack of said justification).

So, prepare yourselves for the most comprehensive put-down of unfounded suspicions in the history of SE. *Actually reads through Lopen's posts* Okay, nevermind. I don't think voting when the vote isn't open is a mistake only villagers commit, as it is a simple case of mistaken cycle order. If Drake had been teh inquisitor, he migt even have put in a kill order at the end of D1 because he genuinely thought we where dealing with single-part cycles. Also, are you saying that you expect the inquisitor to not be very active during the night cycles because he would be busy deciding who to kill and/or convert? I did try to explain more about why I thought it was odd in a later post, as Wilson pointed this out as well. However, I agree that this was probably the weakest part of my reasoning. I'd like to think that if I was actually the inquisitor or convert, I'd play more cautiously in the early game to avoid such mistakes, but that isn't an excuse, as I should be doing the same as a villager to avoid unfounded suspicion. Lastly, I'm not sure how likely I am to be recruited. The reason being that Lopen and jondesu had some well-founded reasons to keep a close eye on me, so I'd expect the inquisitor to avoid recruiting someone with that kind of scrutiny on them. I'm going to do a quick analysis of the posts of HH, Magestar and Ecthelion. If I have time, I'll get to the suspects of Lopen's list as well (as well as a quick reevaluation of Lopen himself). this will be edited in or put in a new post.

I probably won't be able to post as much as previous day-cycles because I've got an exam on Ethics tomorrow. That having been said, here are some of my thoughts regarding the start of this day. First, that tineye message. I really hope the tineye was bluffing about some of the things in his message, because if he wasn't, he's just given up some very valuable information regarding the presences of certain roles in this game. If he wasn't bluffing though, I recommend those in his confirmed good group make sure that they practice good PM safety when communicating with the tineye. Specifically, don't tell him your roles, or any other information that could land a villager in trouble if the elims knew. The reason I'm saying this is because the tineye has made it possible for him to be found, and if I was the inquisitor, I'd certainly consider spiking him if I found him, if only for the information that might have been shared with him through PM's. Second, the kill. I'm now seriously lost with regards to what logic the inquisitor (if it was the inquisitor, but I can't figure out why a coinshot would do this) is using to determine his victims. This, if we take the other attacks into account makes me wonder if the inquisitor is someone who enjoys trolling those trying to apply analysis. Given that I haven't played with a decent portion of the current players before, I don't know if there currently is someone around with a reputation for this kind of attitude. Third, Iamspartacus. If I have time for some more thorough analysis, I might switch my vote to an active player, but until then I'm in favor of killing an inactive. Fourth, regarding the HH lynch. His current way of voting does not seem different from other games I've played with him, in which he was village. It's not exactly helpful, and I really hope he'll start explaining his votes more, but it's not particularly suspicious coming from him(nor does it clear him, of course). Fifth, @Jondesu, what do I have to do to not fly under your radar? I've been posting a lot, I've been voting, I've been doing some analysis. I think I've done everything to not be flying under the radar, apart from challenging the inquisitor to a battle of wits.

Okay, so If I haven't miscounted, Wilson and Figberts have been soothed. Wilson had voted on Araris, and Figberts had voted on HH. Wilson, would you be willing to share who you soothed? That's it from me for the coming hours, as I'm off to bed. Good-night.

Okay, so I'm done going through Lopen's posts (the mystery person whose posts I said I was going to analyze). He's had quite a few posts, and managed to say very little of interest (from an analysis point of view) in these posts. There was one thing that stuck out at me though, which is that he states he doesn't trust his gut as much as he used to, but then starts working down a list made of gut-feelings this cycle. Apart from that, I've got a Neutral read on him. It should be noted, however, that I've proven in QF22 that I'm not that good at reading Lopen.

First, apologies to Drake for not getting around to answering this sooner (and for not making some of my points clearer). What I meant to say here was that I found it somewhat odd you specifically stated what a shame it was that a conversion could now occur, even though your actions hand't been designed to stretch the amount of time before conversions could occur. I don't think anyone should be happy with conversions (though they would make finding elims slightly easier, as a pattern of cooperation can start to emerge). What I found odd was that you felt the specific need to call this out. I believe the other three points have been answered by Wilson already. Again, I haven't made my point entirely clear (I'll try and do better in the future). I didn't find his denying that he is the rioter odd, I found that the way he did it reminded me more of how one would defend against being called an elim. If someone where to conclude in the thread that I was a thug, or coinshot or whatever, I might feel like telling them that they're wrong, but I wouldn't feel the need to defend myself, as it's not really an accusation. The distinction between denying and defending I would be that with a Denial, I'd say "you're wrong", or "you're wrong, and this is why" Drake went to defending, which is "You're wrong, this is why you're wrong, this makes me suspicious of you, have a vote". Anyway, I've looked over the arguments against you again, and it's not as water-tight a case as it appeared to me at first. There's a piece of analysis I want to complete before the day is over, and if this person appears more suspicious than you, I'll switch my vote. Otherwise you still remains the best candidate, from a bunch of bad candidates for the lynch.

Okay, so if I haven't miscounted my vote tally again, the people up for execution currently are bugsy and Drake. Let's start with Bugsy, as he hasn't posted as much. Bugsy's posts in the first two cycle's haven't been particularly informing with regards to his alignment. His posts have been mostly RP, and though the primer on High Imperial was greatly appreciated, it doesn't say much about alignment. Things get a bit more interesting in this cycle. Bugsy's vote on Drake is the first time he's voted this game if I'm not mistaken. His reasoning seems to boil down to 'I don't trust my gut any longer, let's go with DA's explanation.' Though I don't think it's a bad idea to listen to other player's suspicion's, I think it's also important to do your own research. still, this isn't exactly elimmy action. His defense against Jondesu also makes sense, though looking at Lopen's post in which he mentions the list, I can'help but wonder if his reference to the list might have been Sarcastic. So, overal, I've got a Neutral read on bugsy. Now, on to Drake (TL;Dr, I agree with Wilson, I just need far more words to say so). In C1, he's stated twice that we should look out for changes in play-style, and three times that we should make sure to lynch someone. It has been stated before by many others but this is quite odd. N1, Drake starts by defending himself against Elenion's accusation of being a Rioter. I do feel his defense here is on the strong side, as his reaction seems more appropriate to being accused of being an elim. This might represent annoyance about getting his role outed this early, but it again strikes me as odd. There's also this, from the same post (page 11 of the combined thread): This 'changing my mind' dialogue kinda struck me as odd. It seems to try and convey a reluctance to vote, but in the end, a reluctant vote will get someone lynched just as easily as a confident one. Drake hasn't really struck me as someone that would try and manipulate the tone of his post intentionally to make him appear innocent in case of a village lynch, however. Of course, a vote cast during the night doesn't contribute much to any lynch, but still. A later post by Drake that night(still page 11) is once again in stark contrast to his earlier vehement defense. If Drake is this convinced that the vote manipulation was done by villagers, why did he feel the need to defend himself like that against being 'accused' of being one of them? Okay, on to the next day cycle. Drake suggests that Ecthelion might actually be the rioter, then votes on him anyway (despite there not having been any conversions, meaning that rioter!ecth literally can't be an elim). More interesting is this part from his post(page 13): The fact that conversions become possible is indeed a consequence of people dying. Pushing for a lynch would have made a conversion possible just as easy (though we've been somehwat lucky so far and hit two roleless, limiting the options for conversion). SO I find it again odd that Drake seems to think allowing conversions is 'unfortunate', while he was pushing for a D1 lynch, which could have potentially allowed a N1 conversion. Okay, I'm spending too much space and time on this, especially since I'm at least in part reiterating and rediscovering what some others, like Wilson, have posted before. I'll speed up from here, and only cover stuff that really jumps out at me and hasn't been said before. ...Which means I'm done, actually. there's the whole contradiction of Drake saying we should look for changes in playstyle, and then later saying that any changes in his style are not suspicious. There is the thing with Dalinar's death, but I always assume IKYK level 1 on cases like that, and I'm probably not the only one, so this is one of the cases where a level 2 is not unreasonable. So In summary. Do I think there's definite proof that Drake is evil? No, I don't, but he's done more odd, elimmy things than Herowannabe, so my current read on Drake is somewhat elim (which is more than slightly elim, but less than medium-rare elim). Edit: since I mentioned my vote tally, I might as well include it. Day 3 vote tally Aonar(0): Lopen Bugsy(2): Lopen, Jodnesu Hemalurgic Headshot(1): Figberts Drake(4): Bugsy, Wilson, Hero, Randuir

Actually, the conversion is separate from a standard action. Statement from Orlok, on page 7 of the combined LG32 thread: The reason I decided it was probably the elim that killed Dalinar was that I can't find a single moderately good reason for a coinshot to hit Dalinar, while the Inquisitor could at least have decided to attack him because it would confuse us, and could maybe throw suspicion on Drake.

You also missed one bit: becomes: This becomes 13 r's (you missed one in your count), 6 l's, and 4 a's (you missed one a as well).

Oh, wow. I hadn't even thought of that. Yesterday's message had it as well: Highlighted, this becomes: I'm not sure yet what's up with the numbers, and I really ought to be doing more productive stuff right now. I might get back to this later. For now, I had one more question for Darkness. What did you mean by saying I'd gone inactive in your thoughts one me? Was that a typo, or...? And yes, I for one appreciate the work put into big posts like yours, if only because it gives me something to work with when I come around to analyzing the author of posts like that.

So we've had a conversion (wonder if that meant the inqusitor did not actually have ubercoppper) and a snapping, as well as a a kill on Dalinar Kholin. Why did the elim/coinshot kill him, of all people? I've looked at his posts, and things said to/about him, and the conclusion is that he was probably killed by the elim, and picked by a random number generator. The breakdown of all this is below, but it mostly comes down to: "Dalinar says something inconspicuous. There's no reason for someone to kill him over it. Someone says something inconspicuous about Dalinar. There's no good reason to kill Dalinar over this." He's posted twice in the thread, both times on day 2: This is not exactly much to have attracted the attention of an elim or coinshot. The elim might have wanted to target him to make Drake seem a bit more suspicious, as one of Dalinar's posts was about that eh thought Drake was suspicious. Maybe the elim or coinshot is really in favor of killing inactives, so they killed someone who advocated against that? Yeah, that makes absolutely no sense. Let's look at the context a bit more. I've collated the things that have been said about/to dalinar below. I've put most of them in spoiler tags, as I haven't been able to get anything useful out of them, but if someone wants to look into his death, I'll have everything nicely gathered here. By Aman, night 1: So, Aman listed the two inactive players here and asks for them to be killed instead of him, if the inquisitor accepts his challenge. He doesn't provide any other reasons for people to be suspicious of these two (in fact, him listing them seems to indicate he believes them innocent), so it's not a reason for the coinshot to shoot him. Dalinar wasn't inactive in the second cycle either, so that wouldn't be reason to kill him either. By Silverblade5, day 2 SIlverblade votes for him, here (but retracts it later). Maybe an elim wanted to, in a very circumspect way, throw suspicion at Silverblade?

This is why I asked others for input. I don't have enough experience with other people's playstyle to be able to accurately judge things like that. I've seen enough of your playstyle to think you're probably not lying, so I'll take your word on it regarding Hero.

Okay, so there has been no vote manipulation going on this cycle, if I'm not terribly mistaken. This lends some credence to the idea that the inquisitor had been responsible for at least part of the vote manipulation last cycle, because I'd expect some villager vote manipulation to have been present again, if only on unimportant votes, to prove that it was not an inquisitor meddling. The magister carried the lifeless body of the first victim of the Keeper’s gallows down to the crypt. He had seen one or two people look at him in surprise as he took the duty on him, and he’d again given a short speech on the important of maintaining civility. In truth, it served his purpose to have the bodies of the dead neatly brought together each day. If whoever had attacked Lady Renaud where to come after him, it would be best to have a cache of replacement bones neatly gathered together. Agemtsar had some time to think as he brought the body to the crypt and laid it to rest. There most certainly was a killer among them. Maybe even more than one, and if he wanted to get out of this situation without the inconvenience of another unplanned change of bones, he’d have to find out who it was. The Keeper had certainly aroused his suspicion, with his enthusiasm for the whole situation. He’d watch for now, and direct the mob towards this man if he could verify his suspicions. So, yeah, @Herowannabe. There has been something about his posts starting N1 that made me suspicious. A more critical rereading of his posts has proven to me that I don't really have a clue regarding his alignment . I'll present my reasoning below, so that other people can judge themselves. So, on day 1, he kept mostly to roleplay. He also introduced the contribution crusade to those unfamiliar with the concept. He had one post in which he expressed his views on a D1 lynch and gave some very general piecesof advice. So far, so alignment unindicative. He starts N1 by accusing Amanuensis and Droughtbringer, basing his reasoning on the vote manipulation that occurred and his belief that the inquisitor would do his best to secure a D1 lynch. His reasoning here is somewhat odd, as the last thing the inquisitor would want to do at this point is attract attention to himself with such a blatant move to secure a lynch. It would be far more likely the inquisitor would use his powers to frame others, instead of risking to stand out himself. He retracts his suspicion somewhat in his next post, after I quote Orlok's response to my question regarding the inquisitor's action economy. Orlok's response had been placed about halfway through the first day, but Hero's last post that cycle had been about 1.5 hours before Orlok's response, so he could genuinely have missed that. He also states the following, which he later uses to justify a vote on Mark: In this, he comes up with a rather inventive version of uber-brass. Given that the previous uber-metals where powerful, but not particularly out-there, this suggested function of the metal is rather surprising. It surprises me even more that Hero thinks this possible function is likely enough to justify a vote on Mark during the next day cycle. During the day, when he places his vote, he gets called out on this reasoning by me and Mark, but he doesn't explain further why he thingks Mark is particularly suspicious, and maintains the vote until the end of the cycle. He has made one more post on day 2, from which I've taken the following excerpt: He states two things of note. First, that Amanuensis apparently always becomes suspicious of him at some point, and that the fact that amanuensis got killed should clear him of being the inquisitor, because he'd have liked a battle of wits. The first statement could be part of his reasons for throwing suspicion at Aman during N1, as making Aman look suspicious early could help him defend from later suspicion by Aman. This course of action would only really make sense if he's the inquisitor though. Regarding the second statement, I'd just like to say that I don't expect the inquistor to admit to being likely to kill Aman in that situation. Inf act, I've been expecting the inquisitor to present some kind of reasoning along those lines ("Look guys, I can't be the inquisitor, because I'd have take Aman's challenge.") The other point of interest is that he states he suspects Drought too, without giving further explanation, but he also reminds us that there might be a legit reason for him not posting as much. Statements of suspicion without explanation always make me suspicious, and the way he did it would allow him to join a later lynch on Drought, while at the same time seeming to push back against that lynch in case drought gets lynched this cycle, which would make him appear village (because he tried to safe another villager). Anyway, as I said in the beginning, I'm not certain about Hero's alignment, despite the reasons for him possibly being an elim I've listed here. The reason I'm not certain is that these small, possibly suspicious, acts are the best I've been able to find, and though they seem suspicious, none of them is definite proof. If you (yes, you, whoever is currently reading this) have time, maybe look over Hero yourself, and check if I'm just being paranoid, or there is actually something off about him.

That write-up was certainly worth the wait, and I'm looking forward to seeing the interludes appear at some point in the future. This has been a great first game of SE, and I'm sure many more will follow (in fact, I've played in two more already, and am now playing in LG32). I think starting out in the elim team was definitely a help, as it meant I had a group of players I could trust and talk with from the start. Anyway, there's a couple of shout-outs I'd like to make. @TheMightyLopen, you managed to make the same deductions regarding who had what bond at around the same time the elim team did, and you didn't have access to a doc with four trusted people, including a truthwatcher, so that's impressive in and of itself. You also managed to become suspicious of almost the entire active part of the elim team at one point or another, so that's doubly impressive. @Drake Marshall, I'd like to refer you to page 73 to 75 of the elim doc, and thank you for the great RP you've been putting up throughout the game. This doesn't just go for Drake of course, as just about all actives have been putting up fantastic pieces of RP. @TheEntireElimTeam, I'd like to thank you guys for making this a great first game! @Amanuensis, I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but if I could give your write-ups more than one upvote, I would. They really are fantastic.

@OrlokTsubodai, is the lack of a vote tally intentional, or is that something that will be added in later?

I messed up here. For some reason my excel sheet had drought voting for himself in it, which isn't the case. I've corrected the vote tally and added arinian's vote. Thanks for catching that. Edit: I was also missing Drake's initial (and retracted) vote on ecthelion. If anyone else sees any more mistakes, please say so. Edit2: and I've added Elenion's vote below for completeness sake as well.

And, we've got a new tie. I'm moving my vote from Iamspartacus to Drought in to break it again. Day 2 Vote Tally Elenion(1): Araris, Yitzi2 Mark IV(1): Herowannabe Drake(1): Dalinar Yitzi2(1): Arraenae, Silverblade5, Elenion Dalinar(0): Silverblade5 Iamspartacus(2): Randuir, Yitzi2, Lopen, Elenion, Drake Aonar(0): arinian Droughtbringer(6): Jondesu, HH, Yitzi2, Randuir, Arinian, Elenion Lopen, Arinian(1): Kipper Kipper(0): Drake Ecthelion(0): Drake @Drake Marshall, you haven't actually retracted your vote from Kipper before voting on spartacus, if I'm not mistaken.