Kingsdaughter613

Nope. This person likes myths. This person is old.

Sigh... I need to think of someone, don’t I... This person likes myths.

I have actually held a million dollars in my hand. It was a unique pair of earrings. Smallest diamond was the size of my pinky nail. I have one: clean out my grandmother’s house. TPBM has a special childhood memento.

I’m not commemorate is the right word... I have a necklace charm in the shape of a golden basket. The handle is set with tiny cut diamonds. In the basket are small rubies for flowers and emeralds for leaves. It doubles as a pin. It was given to me by my grandmother when I was born. It’s not the oldest piece I own, but it is the one I have owned the longest and it is very precious to me. TPBM has held a million dollars (several hundred thousand anyway) in their hands.

...Seriously?!

Nightwatcher?

It’s more that we associate those beliefs with Christianity, so any religion that has them will feel Christian-esque to us. There’s just enough similarities - Kelsier dying on a spear for the people, his ‘resurrection’, the whole hope for humankind thing, etc. that gives an overall feel that is reminiscent of Christian doctrine. Kind of like how any religion that involves someone finding enlightenment on a mountain top and coming down with a religion will feel Jewish/Islamic (depending on your culture and how hierarchical the resulting religion is) to us, even if that’s the only similarity.

Adolin’s tailor?

He could, because he was basing his actions on religions like Christianity. He couldn’t shape the ultimate form of the church, but he did shape DOCTRINE. And that doctrine is what makes Survivorism feel like Christianity, due to our associations with the death and resurrection doctrine. Structurally, Vorinism has many similarities with classical Christianity. This is almost inevitable for a hierarchical religious structure (unless you go full Greek-paganism). But Vorinism’s doctrine is so different that it isn’t immediately obvious. Similarly, Pathians have a structure similar to classical Judaism, especially if you’re familiar with ‘shtieblach’. But the doctrine is very different so you have to really know that culture to notice. In contrast, Survivorism has a doctrine that feels Christian even BEFORE the Church became what it is. And THAT is what Kelsier directly shaped. He made his religion like Christianity by shaping its base doctrine. And that’s what we recognize. There is, however, no indication that he shaped the structures that formed around that doctrine. In contrast, there is considerable circumstantial evidence, based on cultures/organizations we know he has shaped, that Kelsier was not directly involved in the creation of the modern form of his church. He was also on the other side of the planet at the time, so there’s that too.

Which, again, refers to what he did before his death, not after. Kelsier’s working concept, which he got from Saze, was that a holy leader dying would inspire his followers. He then used the mythical concept of that leader resurrecting and returning to guide his followers by having OreSeur pretend to be him. There is no indication of further direct involvement with Survivorism on Kelsier’s part. By the time HoA ended, Survivorism had already established a doctrine which has, by and large, persisted. The church was already beginning to form into its current shape before Kelsier was in any position to influence it, and there is nothing to indicate he ever directly did again.

“When you have helped me here,” the man answered. “These are all new dishes and they are yours. But I think you need to dip them? There is a natural spring out back, fed by the water table. It should do, from what I understand.” ”You’re not the one I’m trying to avoid,” Kelsier noted wryly. “It’s good to see you too, brother.” It was. Kelsier had missed Marsh. Not that he’d admit it, of course. At least, not aloud. ”Insight has been sending some of his people to our world. They’ve all ended up with a metallic art, so I’m assuming Saze is involved. A few were interfering with the plot, but I took care of that. They’re sequestered for now. And safe, which has turned out to be something of an issue. “They’re being targeted by other Earthians.”

Treledees.

That priest of Mercystar’s. The one whose daughter was kidnapped.

“No idea on the latter, I’m afraid,” Trésor answered. “Speak to Braiser about food. He’s waiting in your kitchen.” Kelsier watched as the train slowed at the next stop. First class, private compartment. Third down from the rear, on your right.

Kelsier.

Kelsier is very good at not thinking too much about things he doesn’t want to think of. I don’t know that he’d be comfortable admitting the people he loves are truly gone (from his perspective, anyway). Although patterns DO stick around a long time in the Cosmere...

Kelsier has indicated a desire to believe there is something Beyond, though it’s pretty clear he doesn’t really believe it. I’d say he’s agnostic because he wants to be able to imagine the people he loves are still around in some manner. Kelsier believes in people, not divinities. He believes in Marsh, Sazed and Leras as people, not gods. Psychopaths tend to be very loyal, so that’s a pretty big deal. Kelsier’s personal beliefs are that people should be autonomous. You see it in the way he tends to run his crews and how his crew is allowed to defy him. They can walk away any time. He likes debate. He doesn’t do oversight. He gave up his rule once he saved the South and hasn’t openly claimed dominion in the North. He consistently challenged the South, pushing them to grow and explore. Manipulating people to do what Kelsier wants does not count as violating their autonomy, btw. Everyone manipulates everyone else; he’s just better at it.

Thomas Edison did not create the lightbulb. Edison consistently ripped off other people’s inventions, improved them, and claimed them as his own. He’s literally the worst example you could have chosen for what you’re trying to prove. Humphrey Davey invented the original lightbulb in 1802. You’ve probably never heard of him. https://www.bulbs.com/learning/history.aspx I agree that original inventors deserve credit, but those who improve on their predecessors do too. The issue with Edison was that he rarely gave credit. When the actual inventor of anti-light shows up I expect Navani to give full credit where it’s due. Otherwise I’m going to be quite angry with her for the intellectual theft and dishonesty.

Knowing Kelsier, there are likely several priests who are very aware of his existence. How else is he going to manipu- check in on his followers?

You could probably burn the Feruchemical store. However, this would be of limited use as you couldn’t store it. Unless the store was Nicrosil...

That only describes how Kelsier views himself which follows what he set up prior to his death. There is no indication that he is directly involved with their current theology which runs counter to his personal beliefs and preferences. Note that members of Kelsier’s own crew don’t have to listen to him and have a master/apprentice type hierarchy, with all members having considerable autonomy. The Southerners, whose culture he was more deeply involved in, note that he liked to test them and push them. To the point that telling them NOT to do something was tantamount to telling them to do it. (Which was the point where I became certain of the Sovereign’s identity.) The Fallen, whose culture he directly shaped, are a very strict meritocracy. Indications are that the Malwish follow a similar strict meritocratic structure. The Church’s theology does not follow Kelsier’s practices, making it very unlikely that he’s directly involved in that aspect at this time. He is almost certainly USING it, however.

The Sliverists probably donate funds that go to him. The Survivorists certainly tithe and Kell is hardly going to leave his brother unsupported. I’d guess it’s a combination of the two. Although in my comic, Death owns a very nice apartment in the breakouts. Kelsier owns multiple manors and a penthouse. Most of which he’s never in. His crew uses them for various purposes and Marsh has been known to crash in them.

Considering it is canon that he likes skulking around as Death... Yes, I’d say so. Kell is actually less likely to pull this, since the conman in him objects to not playing the role and the part of him that wants to live up to Leras’ trust feels it wouldn’t be fair to his followers. Pathians and Sliverists are fair game though.

As I noted earlier in this chat: Marsh likes being annoyed by it. It gives him something to grumble about to Kell.