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  1. Treamayne
    It is heavily implied by book 3 (Hero of Ages) that the Logbook was manipulated in a way similar to the prophecy of the Hero of Ages and Kwaan's Confession. Broad strokes should be mostly accurate, details and word choice changed to influence the reader in Ruin's favor. (For example: Epigraph to Ch 33 - It's unlikely that the "Mist Spirit" attacked Fedik, and more likely Ruin wanted anybody reading the logbook to mistrust the way Preservation would appear to them - unless of course that one was Ruin pretending to be the Mist Spirit as it did in Elend's Tent)
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    WoB:
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    I would say that calling it "Voidish" sounds like Vorin religious dogma, evolved over millennia of distrust, superstition and fear. After-all, even if it has some basis in fact, wouldn't it really "mean" (OB, RoW Spoilers)
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    Well, we've seen Bajerden three times in two visions (first vision twice, since Dalinar used it to talk to Venli), and read a limited selection of the excerpts from his text - the in-world Way of Kings. In that, there is no indication that he was, himself, Vorin (or that the so-called Old-Vorinism from the Heraldric Epochs has much in common with modern Vorinism other than a shared name and some cultural apprpriation). We only know that Vorinism eventually took up his writings and considered them holy texts and changed his name (over a 1000yrs post-mortem) to Nohodon. Not in the way I referenced (Mistborn / Warbreaker): Also, I don't see through Cultivation's actions and machniations anytime where she is directly sharing information from Futuresight with a mortal. In fact, the only instance I can recall in any Cosmere work so far is when ROdium was showing off to Taravangian at the end of Oathbringer- and look how that turned out for him. To be clear, I'm not saying my interpretation is correct - only that it is one of many viable alternate interpretations of that clause from one of Honor's visions and that we can't be sure exactly what was meant.
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    Source(s)? Because I can't find anywhere in the visions that Honor says that Futuresight is Voidish. The closest I have found is (WoK Ch 19 - Dalinar's text removed since we know the Almighty's lines are a recorded script): Also, from the in-world WoK introduction we have:
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    I'm familiar with the concept (which is why I made the joke). I'm the person at work that people come to ask about books. I keep multiple documents ready-to-print as references* and when they are reading a book or series I recommended, they inevitably come to me to ask questions/vent/speculate/etc. I even made an epub of my Cosmere summary/reading list.
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    If we don't simply ask - does that mean we are supposed to request an annotated top ten list? Or favorite by Genre? What is the correct method?
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    Did the Radaint break a (possible) taboo? If they were more concerned with not discussing what they have "seen" (as opposed to having any form of Futuresight/Fortune) then the entry in the gem archive doesn;t really break that secret, since without context the "audience" has no way to know what was foreseen. Was it the capture of BAM? The failure of the Fabrials in Urithuru and it's subsequent evacuation? The Recreance itself? Simply saying "I foresaw this" isn't revealing. I think the "Don't tell anyone, I must whisper" part was directed at the Radiant recording the speech in gemstones (the Truthwatcher shouldnot have let that person know) - not necessarily to whomever would eventually hear the message.
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    In a good way!
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    Thanks for the math Some things that may have changed your calculations: In Ch 54 Tress does note that the moons are smaller on the horizon and larger at the Apex: Also, keep in mind the Horizon Visual Illusion (such as Earth's moon appears larger to the eye at the horizon than it does in the open sky - but if you measure it the visible diameter never changes) - this implies that the moons appear larger at the horizon because of visual illusion making up some of the difference lost to distance. In Ch 58 Tress notes that after only 1 hour of rowing the Crow's Song is far enough away to have dropped below the horizon and no longer be visible from within the Midnight sea: So, if the planet is small enough that a 15-20(ish) meter vessel can fall behind the horizon from a viewing height of "rowboat + seated occupant" (call it 2 meters' of viewing height). Then the angles and radii might all be fairly different than your example. Also note that it is approximately 9 days' sailing from the spore crossing to the Lunagree*, compared to the 5 week voyage for multi-masted vessels crossing the Atlantic circa Columbus (granted that was not a straight distance - Europe to the Carribean) Assuming a similar base average sailing speed, that would put the Lunagree for each sea at about 900-1000 nm from the flat side of a sea's pentagon-shape to its center - which would yield a planetary circumference somewhat less than half of Earth (somewhere between 9500-11500 nm - based on a 100-125nm per day average sailing distance)
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    For good or ill (hooray, next book - boooh, so late in the book) you'll get at least some of these answers in Oathbringer Ch 114. Suffice it to say if you look at Nightwatcher "stories" (such as WoK Interlude 7) you will notice some things don't always add up. It doesn;t seem like you have posted anything in the "Tress only - no spoilers" forum. I know you read with a group, but are there any lingering questions or thoughts from TotEI that we might help (or at least let you know references)? (Speaking of which, did you know you got a (Tress Spoilers at link) Mention Here)
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    Exactly. Also, I think we are meant to misconstrue what the Truthwatchers hold as secret. I don;t think their glimpses of Fortune were a secret pre-recreance; I think it was that they believed, as an order, that they should not discuss what they saw (probably due to effects of causality and its effects on probability. For example - WoR Epigraph: Kinda reminds me of (Mistborn - HoA) . . . sharing too much knowledge and/or allowing others to know what may happen can affect causality and change what and how things happen.
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    Not Alethi Culture so much as Vorin Culture (Which includes Alethkar, and other countries to differing extents). But Truthwatchers weren't just of Honor (who doesn't lack the Shardic Futuresight so much as suck at it) - they were also of Cultivation (and Cultivation is significantly better at Shardic Futuresight than Odium). It also makes perfect sense if in the wake of the Recreance this was one more piece of "evidence" that the "Radiants betrayed us." Personal opinion - Normal Truthwatchers can also have "glimpses" of the future - but they are much weaker and much more infrequent than what Renarin Experiences. Possibly they are also more likely to be accurate when they do happen (unchanged by a connection to Odium/Unmade).
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    This is uncertain. . . WoB: I'm increasingly convinced that part of Harmony's problem is that he doesn't consider Preservation and Ruin to have "merged" into a single shard. He's so focused on Balancing the Two he never actually merged them into One.
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    Here's what I can find on the subject: So, even if a Splintered Shard could be reformed, it would require a compatible vessel. Likewise, even if all Shards could recombine to reform Adonalsium, it seems like it would require a vessel that is compatible with all 16 Shardic Intents.
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    I don't think we know for sure, though the theory has merit. Especially since he was there at Gavilar's behest. However, we don't know if he "brought" the box or received it (Navani just assumes it might be a new Fabrial) - all we know for sure is that he was holding it in the gardens:
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    I recently finished my first reread of Rithmatist in a while, and a few things struck me this time: We know the Forgotten in Harding was "killed" with the acid after it was driven to reveal itself by the clockworks. We also know that Harding was not a rithmatist before being taken by a Forgotten (or after it was banished/destroyed). We "know" a Forgotten (or something similar) has Nalizar and was unaffected by the acid thrown on him because it was entirely inside Nalizar when Joel tossed the acid at him on the stairs. We know that the Forgotten in Harding seemed "unintelligent," not capable of speech beyond grunts and screams. The Forgotten in Nalizar seems much more intelligent and cunning. Conclusion: The Forgotten in Nalizar is smarter/stronger because Nalizar already had a Shadowblaze bond (iow: Harding himself was corrupted by the Forgotten; but in Nalizar, it was his bonded Shadowblaze that was corrupted). Also, a bit of Fridge Horror: They mentioned a number of times that the Northern Isles (what would become the United Isles) were depopulated before the Europeans arrived.
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    Right(ish) but I think there is a false assumption here. Elantris wasn't built where it was because that was the "focus" for AonDor; Arelon became the focus for AonDor because, after the Splintering, Elantris was the largest Connection between the investiture and the physical realm. I would not hazard to guess "why" the builders of the city chose that site - but after the Splintering the Dor expressed itself through AonDor there *because* Elantris was already in place stabalizing the Connection. Otherwise, why would the Aonic Teos not cause the focus of AonDor to be their peninsula across the sea - their true homeland? BTW, this is the RAFO and WOBs that lead to the conjecture about having Shardic help: My personal theory is that Pre-Elantris there were two or three Invested Arts on Sel (Aona's, Skai's and a probable combination). The peoples in that region of (what is now) Opelon decided "If we build it, they will come" and built Elantris using one or more of those invested arts (probably the combination art if only one was used) - because by increasing the connection to the land they increaed their ability to draw investiture. This created the Shaod - though we don't know if that was intentional or a side effect of what they built. Then the Splintering happened and the investiture was all stuffed into Shadesmar. As the investiture mingled there, the separate arts for Devotion and Dominion were lost (either immediately, or withered away) and the Combination Art that now accesses the combnied Dor investiture was changed to interact differently by region (partially becase Shadesmar has "space" and partially because the concept of the Dominion part of the Dor implies a nation/region connection - combined with Devotion that may imply "Love of Region"). So, now the Dor is expressed through dozens of invested arts based on region (AonDor, Chay Shan, Dhakor, Forgery, Bloodsealing, etc) - but they all have elements in common because they derive from the base-root of the original combined invested art.
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    I think this is where your chain of logic is misleading you. What we found out in Elantris is that the Aon Rao created by the 5 cities affected the natural expression of the Shaod such that when the land no longer matched Elantris' Connected construct - that construct failed and caused the effects known as the Reod. The Shaod itself existed before the city, but was different (likely not even creating the "white hair, silver skin" effect). You may also be missing this nugget (from the Elantris Glossary) So, the best supposed timeline we have been able to piece together is something like this: The Natives of the region build the Elantris Construct to amplify AonDor Possibly with the help of Devotion and/or Dominion Odium Splinters Aona and Skai Odium stuffs the investiture of Devotion and Dominion into the Cognitive Realm This fundamentally effects how the Elantris Construct is Connected and functions The Natives of the region die out Either as a consequence of the Splintering, or for other causes after the Splintering Teos cross the straits into (what would be) Arelon Eventually, those peoples become Connected to the land enough for the Dor to see them and their descendants as "Aonic" and the Shaod starts to create new Elantrians. The New Elantrians, over time, begin to "discover" the Aons and decipher how the magic and city work.
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    Actually, it wasn't that Kaladin was willing to kill Moash, it was that Kaladin was willing to force Moash to kill him to get to Elhokar. Here's the scene (CHs 83, 84): He knew that his condition, and only wielding a knife against two Shardbearers wasn't a situation he could win. Also, he did freeze in the battle where Tien died (WoK Ch 67): Sure, seeing Tien fall "woke" Kaladin up again so he moved to his brother. But he froze as he watched Tien die. ANd he froze again over Tien's body - ignoring all sides of the battle and was just lucky that nobody attacked him while he gave in to his grief. Also, remember that the scene you are referencing in Oathbringer isn't just PTSD - Kaladin also has conflicting Oaths to Protect both sides. He couldn't reconcile non-lethal attacks as a method of "protection" in the heat of the moment. He might have with enough time to process. . . but time is one thing you don't have in battle.
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    I'm not saying she can't use Stormlight - merely pointing out that Lift is "different" in a number of ways and it is safest not to assume any normal rule will apply (or apply in the same way). BOLO for other known character(s) here. Slight Spoiler - don't peak until you know Darkness' name So, no, it wasn't "just for kicks."
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    Here is the WOB that the Coppermind references:
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    I don't think an Elantrian dies at all when undergoing the Shaod. I think that was an in-world misconception because they didn't understand that Reod Elantrians were "stuck" mid-transformation in a state where their bodies were supported by the Dor despite the lack of heartbeat or need for food - which was just a symptom of the incomplete transformation. Their body was essentially "paused" in the state of incomplete transformation, and this twilight state was mistaken for being "dead."
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    The Kandra Blessing of Potency has nothing to do with Pewter (Allomancy or Feruchemy). WoB: Also, the Potency spikes are Iron. When defined in-book, they mention Allomantic Pewter, because it was the closest comparison - not because the Blessing has ny connection to Pewter's use in Allomancy or Ferchemy.
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    I understand all of that - what I am saying is that he didn't need to know where he started. If you take two stpes forward, you don;t need to "know" where you were or are to know that two steps backward returns you to where you started. In other words: If the power of the Well was X and expended Y to move distance Z, then expending Y again to move -Z returns you to the location you left. Now, if even one more iteration of Y was not possible, it's a different story; but that is not what was understood to have happened. He panicked and went into triage/band-aid mode. It worked and they survived (ish*); but I think his Intent was also partially warped by the desire to have Scadrial in a position that he could take and keep power. Subconsciously, he didn't want to realize there was a better fix. Nothing wrong with a bit of theorycrafting. I'm theorycrafting as well, just in the "hindsight-best-solution" variety.
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