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Well, i was clearly mistaken. I had to reread the entire part again but you are right he was not willing or at least he does not state to be willing to kill Moash. I must have assumed that the "You will not have it" implied more and missremembered. I dont believe the "froze" in Tien's scene is the same, he literally rolls over the next second janks the spear and calls for Tien as he is killed without any time to do anything. And yes he stood with his body the rest of the battle and a lot longer, but protecting Tien , at that time was his only reason to fight, i dont believe he froze, he just did not have any reason to do anything there anymore at that time. But it is true what Green Hoodie Mistborn has said, when he doesnt know, he doesnt act, and he did not have the time to mull it out and decide to try some non-lethal approach or something. Yeah i can see that, the scene makes much more sense to me if he does not know what to do, more than he is just frozen because of trauma, and then seeing things unfold because of his inaction do break something inside of him. Well i have made peace with the scene then, it makes sense. Thank you guys for all the help explaining things to me.

Yeah, i can agree on the trauma point, and that it may manifest like that. But i find hard to believe that this was the point where Kaladin finds himself doing nothing, since i dont agree with the point of him always being "us vs them". When he claimed the first ideal, he faced Moash, his only real friend at the moment, he threatened him and was willing to kill him (or so he stated), he was certainly willing to die, to protect Elokhar. Agains his best friend at the moment. Literally what made him a Radiant, was confronting his best friend.

But that is not how Kaladin has acted anytime something traumatic has happened to him, when he watched Tien die he got out of line, screamed at him and ran towards him. When his unit in Amaram's army got killed after, he got into the fight and killed the shardbearer, same with bridge four. And he did not froze, he chose not to act, the book is specific, "Kaladin screamed, tears streaming from his eyes. He begged them to just stop, to listen" He screamed, he told them to stop, he cried, he just did not act, he did not try to protect anyone, he just gave up. This is the only one time he does not act. I dont beleive is consistent with the character of Kaladin, he has lost many people before in as traumatic or more events, and realistically (at least in the real world, the first trauma event is the one more likely to freeze you) he should have tried to stop the fight, physicaly, as he has done in any other instance, not using lethal force, granted, but tried nonetheless even if it was futile, because that is what how the character of Kaladin was portrayed on the 3000 previous pages.

Hello to everyone.I was just reading Oathbringer yesterday, and i had to stop reading after one chapter because nothing made sense to me anymore. I am talking about the ( i dont know if spoilers are in order since is an old book but i will spoiler tag the rest, be aware that it includes heavy spoilers of Oathbringer and previous books.) So what do people think? i am reading too much in the character? anyone else found the situation forced?. (I hope this is the correct place in the forums to post this things.)