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Sorry I was unclear - I agree that the (highly)/(lowly) tags were probably the most efficient way to convey what was happening - I just thought that Hoid's explanation in Ch 2 was a bit lacking (for readers that really wanted to understand how such things are conveyed): It was fine for the story (especially in the context of Hoid telling this verbally) - I just thought I would write this post for fans who may want to know more.

Brandon, discussing the story. Example:

Hmm.... I'm gonna go check my math Just checked, all my word counts are as right as the coppermind is Here, we'll see if this works and you can use the numbers you need:

How very nonspecific. Just to clarify - essays only; no stories, no postscripts, etc? Edit: I have an idea - please stand by

Have you read SP3? (spoilers)

Can you please be more explicit on what you need? For example - does "word count" for an anthology like AU only count in the stories - or does that include every word in the whole product (copyright, dedication, acknowledgments, etc). For example Calibre reports there are 190290 words in Arcanum Unbounded - but that is every word from cover to cover. Where as the Selish Essay reports 652 words. Emperor's Soul reports 32259 (not including title page or post script - just Prologue to Day 101).

So, let me restate to be sure I understand: Pre-Catecendre, you think they moved for Altitude-as-climate-control because closer to 0m sea level was too hot Post-Catecendre, you think the moved closer to sea-level because their former altitute was now too cold But even at sea level, their adaptation finds the climate uncomfortably cold - hence the need for Firemothers and Firefathers This is also means that the additional altitude of the Soverign's temple was life-threateningly cold

Understood. I'm not a linguist major and lingual anthropology is barely a hobby. I don't much follow or care about the debates on Uralic, Altaic (or Ural-Altaic) - and whether the similaity is due to linguisitic descent, diffusion or absorption. All I meant was "there's is enough influence that the grammar is extremely similar, meaning it was easy for me to study Japanese since I already knew Korean." From a historic perspective we do know that at least some of the Paekche (Baekje) fled the invading Shilla in the 600s by going to the (what is now) Japanese islands (originally inhabited by Ainu). Scholars can debate the nature of the language relationships - for me it's enough to know that similarities are present. Maybe "related" was the wrong word, but I thougth it was the best description for the point I was trying to make. My apologies.

Right, if they were actually mountain people, they should be less susceptable to the cold, not more so. And, if it were just mountains, they would not have had such a problem near the Sovereign's temple. But, they find even the mild weather of the Elendel Basin to be too cold - because they adapted to the much hotter climate.

We don't have confirmation, of course, but my guess was that while we know there are 14 remaining Yoki-hijo, but there are usually 16 (Ch 24) - we don't know that there were only 14 when the Father machine activated. I think that either two didn't escape as the other Yoki-hijo did - or - that two were "consumed" in a method similar to Nightmare!Liyun's attack on Yumi in the playground. It isn't impossible to think that in 1700 yrs one or two of the Yoki-hijo escaped their prisons and were hunted down in the shroud (or in a Komashi city). Antoerh possibility is that the Spirits, in their brief freedom when pulled away from the Father Machine, were trying to reform a new Yoki-hijo from the shroud as a back-up to the plan with Yumi and Painter. Whatever the method that resulted in a Yoki-hijo soul in the shroud, that soul was likely pulled to the edge of the Shroud by Yumi's Stacking.

Don't forget the one, very subtle, impact on how they speak:

Did you read (or do you have) the ebook? I talked about this in my reaction post. Mervin, to me, was the best part of the book - and because there are no margins in an ebook, his tale is collected as a 2-3 pg comic at the end of each "part."

Even knowing the primary protagonist of Secret History, there are still minor spoilers for BoM. The impact is significantly reduced if the first part is already spoiled, and I can see how somebody using only hindsight might miss the secondary and tertiary spoilers - that does not mean they don't exist. But I will admit that they are small enough to miss notice by at least some readers. For other members reading this, I mean (slight spoilers): That said, I've known a few people that are less bothered by spoilers and that read M:SH before era two. Not all of them regretted it (one had been so long between SH and BoM he had already forgotten most of what was spoiled - he read Era 1, SH, Warbreaker, WoK, WoR, OB, then went back to Era 2. . . ). As always, it's a personal choice because it's a personal impact. I feel very lucky that I was already "caught up" in the Cosmere when SH released, so I didn;t have to worry about making the choice for that one.

Absolutely - that's why I cited the location pronouns becuase they are far more comman than a person pronoun; and I don't think there are any gendered pronouns that I remember, the closest you get is "that person" (저사람 - or a more specific noun than person like teacher, executive, etc.) I picked up some rudimentary Japanese while living on Okinawa (they are grammatically related languages - different alphabets, and Kanji is a weird mix of the long form hanja I was used to, short form hanze like China and Japanese specific short form). One my treasure acquisitions from Seoul (Kyobo book centre) is what I call a master dictionary. It's set up like a character dictionary, but for every character it has: long form, short form (if applicable), Japanese short form (if applicable), bopomofo, hangul, hiragana, english.

Exactly, though I generalize my prediction to Mesoamerica because if he is doing Aztec specifically in Rithmatist, then I expect he'll use elements from multiples in any Cosmere region - lots of great inspiration there: Incan, Mayan, Olmec, Zapotec, Quechuas, etc. Pretty sure that was @Jofwu in this thread. It's probably not that cold. I wrote about it when TLM was in spoiler season here and here. BLUF: It's their millenia long adaptation to a high temperature environment (they had no ashmounts to cool them) and Brandon confirmed they adapted a natually low core body temperature which makes them cold intolerant.

Oh, absolutely. My reasoning is more pedestrian:

@Firesong hit the nail. There are six or seven that we have seen on-screen (depending on if Resealing is different from Forgery - in that Forgery uses a MaiPon glyph to close the stamp and Resealing is portrayed as the naitve investiture of the Rose Empire (or at least the home nation of the Grands that eventuallt formed the Rose Empire) and likely closes with a different "nation-based" glyph. At least it certainly does not sound the the Grands of the Rose EMpire would be using stamps that Seal with the national glyph of what they consider a back-water province. . . ). That's not even counting the (likely) third Continent we haven't even seen yet (my bet is MesoAmerica) and who-knows-how -many varieties of investiture we'll find there. WoBs: Edit: Ninja'd by WoD/WtA Studios

In this vein, I would add: Did Ashravan succeed in reforming parts of the Rose Empire? Was Shai correct that he eventually surpassed the need for daily restamping (even f it was only longer periods between stampings)? Did Sebruki ever recover from her trauma (especially since she was "avenged")? Did Kenton succeed in changing the Diem's Ranking system (power and ability rather than just raw strength/number of ribbons)?

FTFY

I thought that Hoid's description and definition of the Higher and Lower forms was . . . less than steller. The concept made sense to me, mostly because I studied Korean for years, as well as lived in Korea and Japan. So, assuming the concept Brandon was trying to express is actually based on Korean (which he also studied), I thought I would make a post giving a bit of desciption on the possible inspiration for that aspect of Komashi culture. Summary - Based on context, the "highly"/"lowly" could be a verb change or conjugation change. While we don't know if Komashi uses either or both; the context of those tags will hopefully make more sense and be more impactful knowing from where it may have derived.

I wonder if, perhaps, rather than guessing a "category" and trying to line up what Shards would fit that category; instead we could find a pattern in the numbers and find the categories by that pattern. Example: So, I could see the following possible patterns: 1-4, 5-8, 9-12, 13-16 1,5,9,13 / 2,6,10,14 / 3,7,11,15 / 4,8,12,16 1-2,5-6 / 3-4,7-8 / 9-10,13-14 / 11-12,15-16 1-2,9-10 / 3-4,11-12 / 5-6,13-14 / 7-8,15-16 With so few numbers confirmed it would be hard to find any correlation; but does this imply anything rational?

Interesting theory. Here's what Brandon said in the Annotations on the subject: Note: Ruin controls Hemalurgists the same way Allomancers do (just stronger), which was the same way TLR controlled the Koloss, Kandra and Inquisitors. He knew that having a method of control meant Ruin would be able to use the same method if he was free: Really, I think reading the annotations (free on the website - linked above) for the first trilogy would help you resolve most of your questions. PS: I don't know if you use ebooks or not, but one of my personal projects is editing my ebooks - and right now I am working on adding the annotations to some of them (similar to how the Warbreaker ebook already comes with the Warbreaker annotations as part of the file). If you want to do similar or need help/advice, you can PM or use that linked thread about editing ebooks.

The Stormlight Archive section is for Stormlight Archive only - This, outside of the spoiler period, would most appropriately go in Cosmere discussion (two or more Shardworlds). Since all content from SP3 (Cosmere Spoilers) will be moved to that location after the spoiler preiod, it is most appropriate in that spoiler area. That's the general area, if you continued reading into the "Forum" area (also quoted and linked above) you would see where it says that new book content should remain in the Spoiler area unless absolutely necessary during the spoiler period. But that's fine, I just reported to the Mods and they can move the thread if they think that is in the best interest of meeting the policy's Intent. That said: We already knew that "ancient fabrials" were Spren manifesting as a fabrial (RoW Ch 46) - but the implications for Conjoined Fabrials are almost as great as the idea that such a sacrifice may be negotiated with a time limit. If it was difficult to get a spren to become a Soulcaster (or other Fabrial) because it was permanent, and that could instead be done as a temporary Physical manifestation then experimentation, research and developement all become far easier as the story progresses.

This is the wong forum. Please make sure all threads on Spoiler items in their Spoiler Period remain in the Spoiler Area.

Right. You have convinced yourself that it is one of those three. I even happen to agree that is most likely. All I was trying to say was "don't discount the improbable based solely on Sanderson wordsmithing." He has a way of answering questions that (mis) lead to one chain of logic while obfuscating the truth. If the thread is about discussion of the topic, then I just wanted to bring up topics for consideration. Edit: If you didn't want discussion of alternate possibilities, please edit the thread title to add the [Support] tag so that readers know you are looking for evidence to help support your theory (rather than discuss possibilities related to that theory) I, personally, think the relationship goes the other way. Somebody on Lumar heard of "White Sand" and thought "Wow, that sounds like an Aether Spore." And because they both use the Luhel bond, there are similarities. So, as stories of this spread they slowly became the myth of the legendary 13th Aether / Bone Spore that is both Black and White (though in Tress's present nobody actually remembers what that meant or why).