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Welcome to the Forums. That is actually not correct. The first Mistborn came from Rashek giving out the beads of Lerasium he found at the well. Allomancers were being Snapped by the Deepness before they travelled to the well. Alendi, in fact, was a Seeker (which is why he could hear the pulses of the Well - like Vin). As far as origins of the Metallic arts - few-to-none of the Arts (on any Shardworld) came about because a Shard specifically said "I'm creating this Magic, with these rules." Rather, the vasrious manifestations of investiture all derive from a unique combination of the Shard(s) investiture, the location, the people and the environment. WoBs: So, Feruchemy is the result of Ruin and Preservation working together to create the planet and its people - where the expression of their work together created a base Manifestion of Investiture (MoI) that was also part of each (but slightly more Preservation, just as people themselves are slightly more Preservation). Which is why it was also the first MoI to naturally develop and be explored and understood by its practitioners. Hope that helps.

Exactly. My personal headcanon, since there is a derth of detail in those scenes, is this: When Sazed struck Marsh with the candelabra, he was specifically using F-Iron and F-Pewter to strengthen himself for a blow with increased speed When Sazed used the Kandra hammer, he was only using F-Iron, but he also does not say how much he sped up - a basic 50% increase would still be a huge boost to a weapon as heavy as a sledgehammer without adding enough impac damage to hurt his wrist (since the lever simple-machine concept placing his hand at the fulcrum means the amout of force felt at the fulcrum is a fraction of what would be imparted at the hammer's head) - and he was using F-Iron so there is some resilience When Bleeder slit throats with the knife, I imagine she was using the "standard" motion that would derive all the benfitis of speed but without the problem of velocity based damage to herself - from behind and drawing the knife in a "cease" motion (if right handed, then from behind - left to right - across the front of the throat) This would place the friction at the cutting edge but without pushing force into the hand weilding the knife Another book series (Seven Kennings) highlights this problem well and shows it on-screen repeatedly. Blight of Blackwings, Seven Kennings Book 2, by Kevin Hearne - Spoiler(ish):

I think that if a ferring sped up and hit something at 3x (or more) speed, the steelrunner would crush their hand, break their arm and/or dislocate joints. I think there is a reason we haven't seen a steelrunner use their feruchemy this way, and that's because they already know this. For example (WoA Ch 58): If just striking with increased speed wouldn't hurt the feruchemist as well, why didn't Sazed just strike Marsh quickly (he could have followed with the Pull, and used both sources of increased momentum), instead he balanced the Speed with Iron and Pewter to make sure he wasn't hurt by striking with his own increased speed. Even in HoA when we see Sazed strike with F-Steel (but no pewter) he still uses F-Iron to baalnce it out (Ch 78) And in SoS, Bleeder only uses speed with knife-based slashing attacks or when shooting. I don't think it does increase strength, or at least not appreciably - the WoB says there is a slight mental component (similar to Zinc) because at-speed you have to sense and react to the environment quickly (which he compares to the strength component of F-Iron). Increased metal burn is simply a by-product of speed increasing everything about your body - metabolism included (which may imply a similar F-Bendalloy reduced food need when storing speed because of the decreased metabolism and decreased calorie usage).

Here are the Night of Sorrows references: So, the Chapter 18 and 61 references seem to be Dalinar remembering the vision we see for the first time in Ch 75. That makes three distinct references (as shown in he Coppermind link above): Two make it seem like "Nigth of Sorrows" might just be another name for the events of the WoR climax, and the summoning of the Everstorm (which could feasibly be the Listener Term for that night, since it marked the death of 90% of their remaining population). One reference uses "and" which may imply that it is something different-but-connected. The fact that two of the references have nothing to do with Shadesmar imply that the Sun in the third reference is not important, except as a metaphor for "twilight" and entering a "dark time." I very much doubt that it would have anything to do with a literal twilight or tidally locked planet (since Brandon aslready has White Sand to explore the ramifications of tidally locked planets and how that effects culture, ecology and geology). It seems much more like a purple prose name for a single event than a description of a continuing "period" of time. Since all three terms are always seen together, my nerpretation (pening more evidence) is: The Everstorm is summoned on the Night of Sorrows, ushering in the True Desolation

This most likely depends upon Cognitive Identity. Example When one looks at a Stainless Steel workbench, people will see it as one thing - a workbench - and it likely sees itself the same. It doesn't matter at all that the legs were welded onto the frame or that the frame was welded to the top. It is what it is seen as being - a workbench. So, if you weld a small ball to the top of a Spike - you have . . . a small ball welded to a sharp object. A handle? A really Really large map pin? You see my point? A welded object likely cannot function as "one" until and unless people see it (and it sees itself) as one thing, rather than two connected things.

Please allow me to reiterate the original post:

From what we know about Visions, I'm not entirely sure it wouldbe possible. It seems that any given vision is either a bubble space in the Cognitive (CR) or Spiritual Realm (SR). SR visions - like Kaladin conversing with Stormfather (or Tien in RoW) - are identified by the perception that time is frozen or moving slowly CR visions - like Stormfather's visions for Dalinar or Kaladin flying with the Storm - are typified by connection based experience in where time passes in the Physical realm, while the person's Cognitive Identity experiences something different than what their body can sense in the PR Soldiers near Dalinar's budy hear him speaking in tongues and have to restrain him from flailing Kaladin's body had to be restrained from walking out into the Highstorm during his first storm-riding vision So, since a Perpendicularity is piercing all three realms but the Vision is confined to only two of those realms I think it would either: Increase the aspects of the Visions derived from Connection to the CR and SR (more detail, more context, etc) - or - Cause the vision to reconnect to the PR (which may just end the Vision)

This idea seems to imply a fundamental misunderstanding of Divine Breath and Investiture. I do not think any of those traits would be hemalurgically viable - because they are not "granted" by the Divine breath, so much as side effects of having that high an amount of investiture. All the Divine breath "grants" is anchoring the "soul" of the Cognitive Shadow to their PR body, and being expended to grant a one-time miracle of healing (see below). Rysn and Riino (SA) show that Heightening effects are due to quantity of investiture, not specifically breaths (Divine or otherwise). SP3 and 4 spoilers: So, yes, Vivenna shows that a fragment of Divine Breath is still enough to allow some changes to the body with Intent and Practice, so a Spike (assuming the fragment would be large enough) might allow similar changes - but Vivenna also shows that the fragment is not enough to grant the other side effects of holding a large quantity of investiture. Possibly the SR dream glimpses are tied to the DIvine Breath, but it seems more likely they are "flashbacks" to the vision granted by Endowment when she offers the Cognitive Shadow a chance to Return, rather than a function of the Divine Breath itself. However, the interpretation of the Paintings is much more likely to be "granted" by the Divine Breath-likely due to some form of Connection. From the annotations:

Right, but spheres are not standardized (with regards to investiture storage), so at a minimum you would need Chip, Mark and Broam (assuming the different gems do not change capacity | e. g. does a diamond chip and an emerald chip store the same amount of stormlight when fully recharged), maybe making them the equivalent of Nickels, Dimes and Quarters. SbEU?

Incorrect - Raeth (AoN Spoilers) Threnody and Elegy Name three terms, previously specific to a Shardworld, that become generic terms as Arcanists come to understand the fundamental Realmatic theory behind those terms.

No answers, but some possible implications. Minor Spoilers:

Entirely possible. But also consider that, from a Soulcasting perspective, we normally hear Jasnah use one of the ten essences, and she has used Oil before - but specifically used Pitch in this case (and made sure to Soulcast the remainder back to smoke). So, whether it is a resin-derived similar substance, or just something close enough to use the same name, I feel the implication is that it would not catch fire as quickly on a "Cosmere standard" world but works on Roshar well because of the environment. Not that she would have a way to know that - but I feel it is the inference we are meant to draw as readers.

There are also subtle indication in some Jasnah scenes, such as (OB Ch 120) Many don't realize it, but you can douse a lit match in diesel fuel and it will not catch fire. Pitch is actually a resin, and used in ancient warfare (like burning pitch, greek fire and naptha oil) needed additives to make it more flammable. Pitch is not easy to ignite - it was used that way because it burns long and hot. So, examples like this, where things are shown to ignite far more easily than they should are the best examples I can find for the effects of teh high oxygen environment on fire.

Welsome to the Forums. I see from your introductory post that you have read all of the books so far, but I will still spoil tag some things just in case you have not yet read things like the Warbreaker Annotations (which are free on Brandon's website, but also included in the Warbreaker eBook) or for others that may be reading this post. Also, by Spoiler policy, since this thread is in the Warbreaker section, anything from another series needs to be tagged appropriately. Are you familiar with Splinters? (Stormlight and Elantris Spoilers) It's not that it takes 2000 breaths to heal a tongue - the Divine breath is one breath - singular - and using it is all or nothing. Also, healing with Awakening is not something that one can do for themselves as the nature of the Shard is about giving. WoB: When a Divine breath is used to heal somebody, it has an effect then returns to its source. the healed person does not "gain" the Divine Breath. From the Annotations: Hope that helps. And if you are not familair with using the Coppermind and Arcanum to find information, here are some tips and tricks that may also help:

No worries, I guessed it was a translation thing, which is why I added the information on Coppermind and Arcanum to you introduction post, in case you wanted an easy way to confirm English titles and names, or search information. There is also a Spanish Language Version, but I thought the English links would hlep if you were trying to use the translated terms and needed to look something up. Sorry, I don't assume people have found the Omnibus, since it is so new. Usually when people express an opinion of "it's just White Sand" in a manner that makes it seem forgettable or an afterthought, it is because the only read the Prose or part of the original GN and just don't realize there are multiple options available. I don't know if you read the link I provided or not, but I discuss options for those that do not enjoy graphic novels (see below). Obviously, if you are recommending this option to somebody, it would be because they do like that medium, and they understand it is (so far) the only Cosmere entry as a graphic novel. At the risk of hubris, I'll just quote myself from the other post: I would want to hear from somebody that actually read this as their first book to see feedback, but I think much of it would just be confusing and offputting. The story is still delightful, of course, but I have known people to walk away from the Cosmere for reading the wrong book early, without context, and just deciding it wasn't worth feeling confused over. I think the majority of this would depend heavily on the person to whom this was suggested - while it might be viable to a small number of people I still do not think it is a viable starting place for a majority of new-to-Cosmere readers.

I'm pretty sure it's not just your profile or display, but it seems more pronounced in your display because your "title" is so short an deliberately pointing to the center of that text (which does not match the image's center or the center of your user name - all three are slightly different) Example: Boxed and Halved: Granted, in the "Boxed" image I aligned the boxes with the first pixel of content for the main post, which may or may not actually align with the edge of the pane displaying the user information (which also has to adjust for margin, padding, etc). When I inspect the element, it appears that some items in the pane have a 500 pixel indent (at least for PC and Firefox, where I am inspecting the page).

Welcome to the Forums. Thank you very much for letting us know your progress on books, since we now know spoilers are not a factor, it will be easier to answer questions. Also, here are some tips and trick you may not yet know of this version of forum software: As well as how to look up information in the Coppermind and Arcanum:

No discussion? Did you try it - or just find the picture? Store bought or homemade? I'll admit, it's not what i would think of when I hear "Dessert Pizza."

We discuss the differences between an "first reading order" and a "Re-Reading order" here. The latter should never influence the former, because the considerations between them are very different. Also, Secret History is best re-read integrated. This sounds like somebody who has not read the White Sand Omnibus and/or is making decisions on old/outdated information. We discuss the various ways to enjoy White Sand here, but the Omnibus is probably not a bad Cosmere First Book. It has been fixed it introduces concepts easily, and the reader can be introduced to the idea that there is more happening in the background than it first seems at the same time that Duchess Khrissalla is making similar conclusions. It avoids much of the jargon that can permeate many Cosmere series (Investiture, Shard, etc.) while impying their existance and inviting the reader to learn more. Tress might not be a bad start as a re-read order, but I would not recommend any new reader to start with that as their first-ever Cosmere book The number and variety of references to other works is too high for a first time reader The setting is too far forward in the Cosmere's future and will set unrealistic expecations on the rest of the books Very little is explained in text, because it relies an a lot of reader's prior Cosmere knowledge I think Book 2 of Mistborn Era 1 is "Well of Ascension" (not Pits), and Book 2 of Era 2 is "Shadows of Self" (not Identity - Sixth of the Dusk, Allomancer Jak, etc.) Not a bad effort, but I still maintain that the best order is no order - simply provide the reasonably intelligent person with whom you are recommending books a starting place and enough information to make informed descisions on the rest of their Cosmere Journey

Also note, it's possible that Ishi was aware that at least one Unmade had made a home in Urithiru. That might have led him to the reasoning that only a servant of Odium could have occupied the tower. Possible. In light of the experiments of which we saw the aftermath, I took that as a metaphor for him ending his existence as a Herald (or even Cognitive Shadow) and trying to find a way back to a normal body and existence. His madness didn't feel very suicidal to me; but if Stormfather sensed a desire to end his current existence, he might not have realized the true goal. Guess we RAFO (hopefully in SA5).

Are you referencing the Oathbringer conversation, or the Rhythm of War conversation? Because, in Oathbringer, the only conversation I found from Tezim (Ishar) was (Ch 24): And there is no reference to being a Champion in there. However, in RoW, we have this (Ch 111): So, keep in mind: Ishar is mad as a hatter, even this snippet shows how far he has fallen Ishar (though we don't see it until later in the chapter) already has his Honorblade, and therefore has access to seeing Connections - and Dalinar does have a Connection with Odium (which Odium tried to use to make him his Champion in Oathbringer). It's not a leap to see how Ishar could sense that Connection, and make a delusional leap to the conclusion that best fits his psychosis Ishar is further strained by having been so very wrong in all he tried to do before the coming of the Everstorm, and doing anything he can to avoid that reality Convincing Nale that killing proto-Radiants could somehow avert the True Desolation Guilt over abandoning Taln (seen above - momentarily) Failing in his experiments (whatever they are trying to accomplish - likely similar to Kalak's goals) Ignoring his duty since the Everstorm in preparing Humanity to fight Odium etc. I can see why you drew the conclusion(s) you did, but it really comes down to Ishar recovering his Honorblade to have access to his Bondsmith powers; then realizing how much they messed up at Aharietiam, and his mental state forcing him to construct a false reality that absolves his guilt and inflates his ego.

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I really liked how the last line changed context (spoilers)

I'd guess we'll find out in Era 3 (since it was not covered in the Epilogue(s) for Everyone)

Updated first three posts, separated Fantasy into subs (so each spoiler was not too long - easier to find entries) added a second page to the first post with an index summary (also below for feedback and discussion of changes) - especially feedback from the original posters of the entries. Index: Thank you all very much and please, keep submissions coming.