Arrae

1 minute ago, alVoidus said:

My tie!  My beautiful tie!

Did you mean this?

41 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

Well, we will see how this goes. : )

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Hmm, I don't see a priest or representative for @Mailliw772, so I hope you won't mind me declaring myself as your temporary mortal... accomplice(?)

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Memoirs of an Everyday Person: Article IV

See, each deity seems to want to push for a certain concept or concepts:
Alvron - Luck/Chaos
Wilson - Intelligence/Understanding
Orlok - Control
Meta(bard/cog)nition - Honestly I have no idea. Creation or something?
Fifth Scholar - Something between Democracy and Anarchy

And what about Mailliw? 

You can get lucky, but what does it matter if you don't realize you are lucky?
You can be intelligent, but what good is that intelligence doing for you if you are bored due to said intelligence?
What is the point of having control if you can't enjoy said control?

The most important thing in life, is being able to use and enjoy what you are given.  These are the lessons Mailliw has taught me, and now I consider it my responsibility to share my enlightenment with the rest of you.

According to Socrates, the "Supreme Good" for people is the act of pursuing happiness, as happiness is the only thing we strive for for the sake of itself, and not to gain another thing.
For example:
You don't want to be lucky to be lucky.  You want to be lucky so that [insert good thing] happens to you.
You don't want control for control's sake, you want it so you can either do or not do actions you do or don't like.

The only thing you will strive for, for it's own sake, is happiness.  And this is what Mailliw will teach you. As well as other things that may or may not be relevant to this discussion.

So join me, and together we will conquer the world! find a way for everyone to get the fullest out of their circumstances!

I must interrupt this heartwarming comment in order to do some fact corrections.

*takes off priest hat

First of all, Wilson is typically associated with Light, the soft morning glow and harsh afternoon glare alike. Meta, in the old order, was death, clean and simple. Not the gloat of an enemy or the sobs of those left behind, but the creeping inevitability that takes all without judgement. And finally, of course, we come to Orlok.

Orlok is easy to satirize, hard to understand. The basic persona is that of a rules-lawyering tyrant in the making who would impose British culture on everybody. I've been satirizing him all game as this, and many times before this game, but that is not who he is as a mod deity, or should be.

If I had to describe what Orlok represents, I'd say that he's an attempt to understand. Humanity's struggles to find a semblance of how or why things happen the way they do, our best construction against the chaos and pain of this world. That doesn't mean that he's right, or we're right. If you know him, he takes great joy in debating anything, and often will argue against his own beliefs, just to mess with you. For him, part of the joy is in the process, the observation, inference, and updating of our models of how we think the world works.

 In a loose way, this could be considered to be control -- but barely. Do you control the weather because you hear that there's an 80% of rain and take your umbrella with you? Of course not. But someone in a bad mood who didn't bring their umbrella can take solace from knowing that rain is just precipitation of water, and that it is not a malicious act of the world, even if now they are sopping wet and every footstep squelches. In the same way, one can draw comfort from being able to understand why the world works as it does, and plan around it, even if they cannot stop it.

*ends preaching

As the person who first talked up Orlok's persona from nothing, I feel like he deserves to be more than the cardboard cutout mock terror of a 15 year old's imagination

1 minute ago, NotASteelClone said:

Also what the actual heck have I walked into? Is this just a thing that occurs nightly?

The contract requires that I say this

1 minute ago, A Joe in the Bush said:

Lord Tekiel is our IM, our contact among the moderators. Do you see him helping?

Yes, in fact what I see is Lord Tekiel graciously babysitting two childish blasphemers and letting them clean up their own mess to learn some responsibility.

9 minutes ago, alVoidus said:

I have fed many of your kind to the flames.  One more won't be much of a problem.

I can almost feel Rae bristle at the thought of favoritism.    If only her God was as feared/loved as myself or Wilson.

Favourtism? Favouritism, you call it?! Only an apostle of Alvron and a disciple of Wilson would be insipid enough to let this forum become overrun by spambots while they run off to play Skyrim!

2 hours ago, Seventh Saint said:

I think I’ve only got three votes for the moment, counting my own, but I’m perfectly happy with my own vote’s current location.  

Curse this mobile inability to delete quotes; I no longer remember why I selected it.

1 hour ago, Crimsn Chanarach said:

There might very well be redirects, but it is true that I only brought up the possibility of redirects to hide my role a little longer. I've already outlasted my previous survival record for a lurcher-type role, and I'd like to see how much longer I can stay alive.

I'm somewhat curious as to how many of the people currently voting for me are doing so just because it's an easy vote. @Kidpen apparently believes that my method of proving my role is infeasible, and I'd like to know whether other people believe that's the case. It's not quite as simple as Rand's plan, nor as conclusive as Fifth's plan, but I believe it has a sufficiently high chance of working that it's not worth killing off a protection role. What does everyone else think? Does anyone have a better plan?

@xinoehp512 has a tendency to bandwagon when evil and abstain from lynches when good, so his motives may have been something other than pure, or perhaps he saw a credible lynch and wanted to punish me for my vote.  

Aman appears to be voting on me to "resolve" a 1-1 situation, but I don't see that as being the case. I am not (anymore) denying that I was attacked and survived via a self-protect, so mine and CadCom's claims are consistent. CadCom is keeping his vote in place until he comes to a conclusion about my plan to prove my role while Rand has probably gone to bed and will use me to demonstrate his own role.

For me, the thing that sticks out most this cycle is how quick you were to claim that lynching you would be largely futile in response to a single vote by someone who was already antagonistic towards you. I can see this as either a spambot desperate not to lose another member or an eliminator who wants to prove their role any way they can, and in both cases lynching you would be helpful. With your flat extra life and (presumably) only one full time vigilante, it makes more sense to test you with the lynch and me with the kill than vice versa.

This behavior seems extremely inconsistent with what an actual doctor would do. A rational villager accused of being an eliminator due to role interactions would usually claim their true role, as their primary concern would not be avoiding being killed by spammers, and would instead be avoiding being killed by the lynch. Furthermore, a doctor role is valuable enough to the village that claiming it can make others back off of a lynch, and it is far more plausible that a doctor would choose to protect themselves than a random redirect. This behavior is far more consistent with a spammer who panicked, created a bad lie, and has only in hindsight thought of a better one.

2 hours ago, Mailliw772 said:

Why? Why would it make more sense to strip him of his life if all of the roles that may give him an extra life are village? Strategically, it would make sense to either keep Seventh alive (if you trust him) or, if he's suspicious, lynch him because he's likely to be pulling off a desperate gambit and lying. Unless he's somehow immune to the lynch in such a way that doesn't involve extra lives and clever manipulation of spambot roles?

I'd like to see said guarantee. Until then, I'm voting on Arand again. Ada, until you explain your reasoning as to why you trust Rand, it just seems like another attempt to defend a fellow spambot with little base in evidence.

Strangely enough, I do not remember why I quoted this. Alas, I am on mobile and cannot delete it. Tragedy!

2 hours ago, tiny wilson said:

 PMs get you far if you use them right and they’re my favorite tool in any game, so I’ve got lots of practice with them. 

@High Priest of Lord Tekiel Any chance you can clear up anything related to CadCom’s claim? 

Before the night is over, I’ll be sure to make sure that any information I have is spread among those who have proven a role to me. 

Personally, I believe that Cadcom's actions until now fit the profile of a villager seeking to look clever. While I question the execution of his gambit, it has revealed useful information, and I now see the wisdom in potentially lynching Devotary this cycle.

1 hour ago, Crimsn Chanarach said:

The best way I can think of is to have me be targeted by the vigilante, who would be blocked by my self-protect, and a non-kill night role, who would not be. That should be able to distinguish my protect from Vodiyehi's

Devotary. What's the name of your role?

31 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

My vote on Alv D1 is what it is, and I don’t have any more to say on it. But based on both D1 wagons being elim, I feel like elim!Alv would have taken advantage of his normal “God’s of luck and chance” to bus two of his teammates simultaneously without actually changing anything. While Alvron may have done something similar as a villager (using standard terminology btw), I think it is more likely he would have gotten involved that way as an elim. 

Now again, I’m writing this post based off of very little info, and my lack of contribution is due to my having gone 30 or 40 hours without internet, and then needing to catch up on sleep. I’ll do my best to read everything today and make a more informed post.

Fair enough. Araris.

Why, I must ask, are we giving Rand the benefit of the doubt by letting him prove his role and not giving Devotary such a similar chance?

8 minutes ago, tiny wilson said:

We all know that Orlok doesn’t believe in either of those principles. Compulsion defines his rule. 

Agreed, Maill.

Don't tell him I said that. The contract only allows me to stop being his PR agent during this time of day, I think it's an oversight

1 minute ago, Sapphire Elephant said:

wait what is this. freedom and independence from a brit? Lies, murica all the freaking way, bald eagles and hamburgers and free bathrooms 

...perhaps I should not be posting so late at night. That's when my American taint shows up more stronglly w help im feenkdooom murriecaej hrlfp djfbqlcnwjvkms fjejfnenkfnwkdbfak fhdksncj

2 minutes ago, tiny wilson said:

It didn’t do it the way you expected. To keep it vague, I won’t say much more. But look at what happened there. 

Also, I’d like to hear more about your suspicions and trusts as that would help me see how you used your role without you making it clear. 

Ah as I expected but didn’t hope. 

As promised, here are my top suspicions, not necessarily in order:

Rae. I can’t explain why, especially since her voting seems to make her lean village pretty strong. 

Itiah has even stronger evidence for being village so I’m discounting this one. This cycle has also changed my opinion of him anyways. 

I’m seeing more and more reason to suspect Arand as others share. Crimsn has been sticking out to me lately. And lastly, a healthy suspicion of Ada and Alv is always good. I’d place Alv higher on the suspicion list than Ada though. 

Admit it, Maill. You simply cannot abide a member of the Church of Enlightenment showing others the true way to Freedom and Independence.

2 hours ago, Seventh Saint said:

Very well. While I don’t have time to respond to all this, Steeldancer. You raise valid points, and keeping you around a bit longer hopefully won’t hurt us much if you actually are a spammer. 

To everyone else, might I suggest myself as a compromise choice? I will survive this lynch, which will clear me (at least temporarily), and hopefully allow for an analysis of this cycle untinted by the fear I may be evil. If I’m not an option, I’d be fine with a Fura lynch, though admittedly I haven’t looked into that very closely.

This seems rather like an overreaction. You would offer yourself up for the lynch just because one player (who others have found suspicious) has claimed suspicion of you? I would almost think that a spammer ploy to draw pity from others.

A list of the players who did not vote on Roadwalker or Guest (based off of the manipulated vote tally, so speak up if you have been wrongly counted in this list).

Droughtbringer, Xinoehp512, Furamirionin,d Randuir, I think I am here., Fifth Scholar, Cadmium Compounder, Lumgol, Snipexe, Rathmaskal, Araris, Kidpen, Hemalurgic Headshot, Amanuensis, Sapphire Elephant, Walin

I notice that Araris has not posted today. Perhaps a vote will encourage him to contribute.

Just now, tiny wilson said:

Thanks for the summary, Rae. Where would you place Lum and me? 

Lum is neutral, you're slightly village.

A look at the Roadwalker votes

I have gone through and recorded all votes and interactions in thread relating to Roadwalker, Guest, and other prominent lynch trains. The stated reasons for each action are marked by parenthesis. Where possible, players are referred to by their actual account names. For example, "Aranduensis" is referred to as "Rand".

Color code

My commentary is in purple.

Assumed villagers are marked blue, known spammers are marked orange.

Event record

Elandera votes on Road (inactivity)

Elephant votes on Road (inactivity)

Itiah votes on Road (no reason given) Could be interpreted to mean that Itiah is village. Since it's so early in the cycle, it could be a distancing tactic, especially if Itiah expected Road to be able to post.

Cadcom defends Road and votes on Itiah (dislikes piling votes on an inactive) Not suspicious by itself, a third vote on an inactive so early in the cycle is unnecessary.

Ada votes on Elandera (suspicion for not trying hard enough with analysis), now at 2

Steel votes on me (joke vote, outrage at my evangelicizing), now at 2

Ada retracts from Elandera (got a response)

Fifth votes on Steel (suspicion for vote on me) and defends Road (lynch would not be informative) Same as for Cadcom, this early in the cycle, an inactivity lynch train is less useful.

Lum retracts from me (not suspicious anymore)

Steel retracts from me (my content was useful enough after all), currently no lynch votes on me

Fura votes on me (no useful content)

Guest votes on me (no reason given)

I vote on Guest (bandwagoning) Clear village move here.

Guest claims to have been bandwagoning for the sake of it and then retracts (doesn't want to vote) Start of spammer panic for being called out on unsupported vote.

Lum defends Road (wonders if he might be Elephant and unable to post)

Elandera attacks Lum's defense of Road (Elephant voted on Road)

Bard retracts from Lum (too wolfy to be a wolf), defends me (bandwagoning without reason), and votes on Road (to swing the lynch off of me) Should be noted that at that time I only had one vote. Still, villagery move.

Alv defends Road (wonders if he might be Elephant and unable to post, same reasoning as Lum) Slight village read for this. I think an eliminator would try to put up a defense that hasn't already been struck down, though he did say that he'd only skimmed the thread.

Fura defends and attacks Road (acknowledges Elephant's vote but also says it might be a distancing attempt)

Itiah encourages Road lynch (inactivity is a good reason to lynch) Consistent with earlier actions. Since this is later in the cycle, it makes it less likely that this is a distancing attempt. In general, I think it is unlikely that the spammers would choose to bus an important role D1, so those who pushed to lynch Road later in the cycle are probably village.

Rand attacks Guest (for bandwagoning)

Maill defends Road (has been viewing thread, inactivity not in character)

I attack Guest (for bandwagoning)

Maill votes on Guest (no reason given)

Steel defends Road (potential role issues) and votes on Guest (suspicious post)

Alv votes on Guest (to create a tie) Here the tie shenanigans start. I don't think this is enough to deem Alv village, because a spammer Alv would also have to create a tie here in order to stay consistent with previous games. A spammer Alv who had to pick between lynching two teammates probably would still find glee in putting their fate up to the RNG.

Elephant votes on Guest (to break the tie)

Devotary defends and attacks Road and Guest, post is inconclusive

Alv retracts from Guest and votes for Road (to keep the tie)

Elephant votes on Road (to break the tie)

Devotary votes on Road (to further break the tie) Slight villagery move to Devotary. Most spammers in this situation would prefer to lynch their less powerful member, which in this case was Guest.

Alv retracts from Road to vote on Guest (to keep the tie)

Conclusion

Village reads: Elandera, Elephant, Bard, Itiah, me

Slight village reads: Devotary, Alv, Rand, Ada

Neutral: Steel

Slight spammer reads: Fura

Spammer reads: None

27 minutes ago, Aranduensis said:

Can you be a bit more precise? I get not wanting to reveal the identity of a potential village vigilante, but why did they target Crimsn in particular, and do you have good reason to trust them enough to be willing to immediately push this lynch?

@tiny wilson, had you gotten any response pout of your PM to Roadwalker? I assume not, but it's worth checking.

While I am not Maill, I sent Roadwalker a PM N1 and he said that he had been extremely busy.

2 minutes ago, tiny wilson said:

Wow, 2 spammers in as many cycles. That’s impressive. I have a theory, crackpot though it may be, that it may have actually been some type of redirect. Jon didn’t seem like a high priority target for the spammers to kill. So maybe the hit on Roadwalker was a redirect of their kill. It does make me way more confused about why he didn’t say anything to protect himself...

I am disappointed about PMs though. They were just getting good.  

Agreed!

I will say this though, Maill -- I was being cautious because I'm usually cautious about roles, and I didn't want to give a potential spammer any more information than I had to until I deemed you village/elim. Hence the "games" as you called them.

It's late and sleepy!Rae is out now. High Priest will be back tomorrow.

1 minute ago, I think I am here. said:

I assume Jon claimed to someone, which ended up in his death, because closing PMs permanently is a pretty big thing. And I was only just beginning to start a strategy which I surefire thought would catch the eliminators using a bunch of PMs. But now that PMs are gone, those two people who I shared my plan with last cycle, should I reveal it now? Because it’s not like I can still use it.

 

Sure, why not?

Interesting. We seem to have a vigilante.

Will analyze the Roadwalker lynch train tomorrow when I'm feeling up to it.

46 minutes ago, Mailliw772 said:

Why not worship all of them?

We need the pantheon to work together in this time of crisis.

We need mental acuity, luck, crazy ridiculous role gambits, alignment knowledge, and communication all in one.

The Spammers are a greater threat than petty religious disputes. May the Storm smite them all.

 

44 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

After having a lengthy discussion with the High Priest about the many reasons to follow the path of Tekiel, I have decided that it is in the worlds best I test to convert as many people as possible. That being said, I swear my undying loyalty and allegiance to he-that-...

*reads "The Temptation of the False Gods"*

I'm sold. @Mailliw772 I would like to swear my alligiance to you.

I have discovered with great disappointment that the downvote button does not exist anymore.

The Temptations of the False Gods

Some people will tell you that there are other mods, even past players, who can bless those playing today. They will tell you that they can feel the presences of those players watching over their shoulders, guiding them in this war against the spambots. They will tell you that they have been promised sweet rewards for their service.

Lies! Only Orlok Tsubodai, Lord Tekiel, He-who-is-always-right, the King of the Mind, can grant you what you truly seek. Wilson, the Black Foe, may feed you the alignments of your enemies if you pray to her. Alvron, the Shadowlord, may manipulate the lynch RNG in your favor. Mailliw, the Flippant Turncoat, may let you carry out extraordinary gambits with a convoluted series of actions. Fifth Scholar, the New Usurper, may promise you a place in his new hierarchy. Yet all of these things make you reliant on divine intervention granted at the whims of higher powers. Only Orlok will give you the power to be truly independent. He will hone your mind to become a deadly trap. What use will you have in following Wilson's reads when you can make your own accurate conclusions? What use will you have in hamfistedly manipulating the lynch when you can persuade the voters to follow your lead? What use will you have for role-based gambits when you can consistently catch eliminators by their words alone? What use will you have in Fifth's hierarchy when you have a place in a much more powerful one? Only Orlok's blessings of mental acuity can give you the consistent results you desire. Anything else is but a sickly sweet temptation that ultimately leaves you at the mercy of your role in these false gods' organizations.

If you have any arguments about how abilities granted by other mods or players can even attempt to outstrip those granted by Lord Tekiel, please PM me. I sense that Alvron's fingers are already growing twitchy with the urge to abuse his power and delete this as spam.

4 hours ago, Aranduensis said:

New post, as I'll be voting retracting a vote in this one.

First of all, Elandera. I understand the effects of posting while being sleepy all too well (which is why you should be taking everything in this post with a grain or two of salt).

Guest seems a bit off. I get that they're sticking to a 'new player/new account' act, but that doesn't really give you leave for a bandwagon vote (since, for those that didn't bother checking, they are a regular of SE games). 

Mailliw772 I disagree with, but I don't think an elim would put themselves this much out there.

Any other opinions will have to wait till tomorrow, as I'll need a clear head and sufficient amounts of time, so I think I'll refrain from voting this cycle, as right now I don't feel strongly about any one lynch.

I agree that Guest's vote does not feel village, which is why I have placed my vote on them. No doubt part of this is due to the fact that Guest's vote was on me, but something about their lack of reasoning feels like it was done more for appearances rather than as a substantiative vote.

3 hours ago, Sapphire Elephant said:

Here's my opinion. It's day one. We don't have solid suspicions. Banning an inactive, especially one that is lurking, is a better idea than banning an active person who, by probability will most likely be a villager. It'll give us some information, and helps to encourage activity. Then, day 2, we'll have more posts and analysis to work with, and we can make a more informed lynch on more active individuals. 

Keeping in mind the role shenanigans within this game, I would instead suggest that if by N1 Roadwalker hasn't given a proper account for themselves, then a kill role, if one exists, should take him out.

14 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

I see reklawdoaR on the page, so hopefully they will post something.

Being  D1 (and now understanding the rules better) I am not overly suspicious of anyone.  However, @High Priest of Lord Tekiel has been extreamly active and involved with discussion this game, yet I havent seen anything remotely resembling public analysis.  Perhaps this is just your playstyle(?), but I would like to hear your opinions on the game a little more.

High Priest of Lord Tekiel

You have not seen any such analysis yet because it is D1 and I have not found anything that particularly stuck out. There is simly not enough material to analyze. I attempted to pressure Elandera to gain a read on her, and after a lengthy PM conversation, I have determined that she is likely village.

Or, I assumed I had nothing that particularly stuck out until I saw this post.

1 minute ago, Guest103492 said:

Thanks Elandera for @ing me! 

So I don't think lynching reklawdaoR would be very nice, since they haven't really said anything at all, even though they've been called out. Maybe they're busy. Who knows.

However, this High Priest of Lord Tekiel (Rae?) is kind of concerning. I've noticed that quite a few people have voted on them, but I don't have anything besides my gut. To be honest, it's only been a few weeks since I joined! I don't know any of you.

I'm pretty skeptical of Rae right now, so I'll just leave my vote there for now?

Guest. Explain to me how this is not a bandwagon vote.

3 minutes ago, NotASteelClone said:

Wasn’t a joke vote. I am genuinely concerned that the trolling will be used as a way to shield from scrutiny. Not that I haven’t been guilty of that myself with my clone shtick, but it is a viable strategy to simply troll the whole game to put up the appearance of activity. And that is sort of what I feel Rae has crossed the line for me. If you look at previous posts, the majority are either more church of orlok stuff, an unexplained vote on Elandera and a retraction from Elandera. I just... something feels off about it. 

At this point roadwalker being lynched seems to be the most likely outcome, but I’m not going to vote on Roadwalker, so I’m going to leave my vote where it is and keep an eye on Rae. 

On the contrary, my "unexplained vote" was attempting to create discussion. I'd like to say that I'm happy to see the results. I've been speaking with Elandera in a PM and believe she is village.

Have you heard the good news?

Orlok loves you, and he wants you to love and know him. He offers you his peace and joy under his rule as benevolent dictator. Those who recognize his rule shall receive his blessings, as indeed I have.

If Orlok offers so much, why don't people take it?

The Problem with Disbelievers

Everybody is born with a tendency towards freedom. They seek to reject Orlok in fears that serving him will reduce the freedom they cherish so much in life.

What they don't realize is that nobody is free, not as long as they remain slave to the meat-impulses left in their brain that are the leftovers of thousands of years of the evolutionary process. It affects all aspects of life, a constant temptation and scourge.

Orlok Tsubodi has transcended these urges, and can teach you to overcome them too. Embrace him as a leader, recognize that his decision-making process is free of these taints, and you too shall be freed from those base emotions that control you. Accept him as supreme leader and you too shall know freedom.

PM me today if you wish to learn more about receiving the blessings of a mod.

Thank you, Elandera.