Arrae

2 hours ago, Furamirionind said:

Lol

If there were only 3 votes, 2 people could have been killed. Either you or Fifth in addition to Bugsy.

My guess is the elims have the ledger I used. The second ledger seems to be missing as well, and therefore, I think likely among the elims as well.

Edit:

What do you guys think of doing tied lynches? What if we intentionally did tied lynches from now forward. In theory, that will give us a greater chance at finding the elims, at the expense of shortening the game.

If we do it, the voting needs to all be done before the last two hours of the cycle

Sorry for the lack of posts today, I forgot my phone at home so I was offline the entire time at work.

Quick reads list:

Village:

Arraenae - Village, obviously  
Devotary of Spontaneity - Occasional posts. Voted on Alv and Kidpen. Neutral-village.
DrakeMarshmallow - Active, cleared village through chain ledger use.
Elandera - Active, probably village. Accurate so far.
Furamirionind - Very active, cleared village through chain ledger use.
StrikerEZ - Cleared village through chain ledger use, but not generating much discussion. I'd like to see him post more.
Young Bard - Probably village, because of the counter-wagon that started on Kidpen, who is a guarenteed elim.
 

Neutral:
Bugsy - Needs to post more.
Haelbarde - I wasn't sure he was still alive until I looked at the player list. Needs to post more. 
Hemalurgic Headshot - Needs to post more.
Rathmaskal - Needs to post more.
Shqueeves - Needs to post more.
 

Elim:

Araris Valerian - Has posted but I don't remember stances. That's a default neutral-elim read.
Butt Ad Venture - Lots of puns, much less content. Neutral-elim.
Fifth Scholar - Has some posts but not many. Voted on Bard. Elim.
Snipexe - Posted some in the beginning but not much now. Default neutral-elim.
 

And once again, Elandera. She's probably village and isn't part of the chain-ledger clear group. This second part is a benefit because while I believe they're village, they've all been acting in very bandwagony ways, and handing one of them the governor role feels like it might only increase the bandwagoning. With Elandera as governor, I feel that will elevate a different viewpoint in the thread.

3 hours ago, Butt Ad Venture said:

"Ahem...Senator Diez (@Elandera)? It would be much more difficult for one such as yourself to get very far in life with out transparency. I agree, finding the corrupt senators is imperative and quite a fragile topic. Which is why it would be a pane to have to do this on your own. Now I believe that one in a glass house shouldn't throw stones so I was open about receiving Simuljustusetpeccator, the warrant. As it's namesake suggests, all people are just and right in their own view. I understand that you believe in a secretive, protective aura of suspense where we keep our secrets to ourselves. The Warrant's name then says that, from a different perspective, you could be considered wrong and a sinner Elim. I understand that the only way we can defeat the Corrupt is by banding together and being honest. Without the ability to privately share secrets trust has become all the more important, a government scared to make the smallest change is no government at all. I do not wish to change your opinions like a mirror reverses words, I just believe that we must fuse together to bring a new era of hope to the trodden down people of the city. I hope my argument has come across to you crystal glass clear."

(Credit to @DrakeMarshmallow for some glass puns.)

What's the name of this warrant?

1 hour ago, Furamirionind said:

I apologize for telling everyone what to do, I apologize for acting as a know it all (though that is my natural state), I appologise for pushing everyone really far, and

I appologise to Rae as I either offended you or came across as a someone selfishly trying to push my opinions onto others. (Or both)

This game to me, is starting to feel like a back and forth between Elandera and myself.

No matter what I do, I fail.

I'm not trying to force people to play in a method that they dont find fun, or into something they dont want to do. What I have realized, is these past couple days, 50% of the thread has been dictated by me. I dont think that's fun. This game feels to me like it is stagnating due to a lack of player participation. I'm trying to change something up, that will change the way we play the game, which will make it interesting for me again, and will *hopefully* draw back people who are semi active. It will also give players that are active, something new to analyse.

I should have made it clear from the beginning, that this was my end goal. (I also skimmed my previous messages, and while I wrote a detailed post as to why we should be claiming, perhaps I didnt post it? I couldnt find it)

An alternative method, is I suspect the daggers are being hoarded by the villagers. If we start going crazy on kills, we are bound to hit a couple elims right? It becomes a game of chance, but its differant. The reason this wasnt my first choice, was because I'm totally ok with slow deaths. There just has to still be stuff to analyze.

There might be more alternatives too. Idk.

Whatever you, the players pick, I will support. Even if none of you think there is any problem with how things are going right now.

I just cant promise I'm going to continue putting 110% of myself into this game, if it continues as it is.

Apology accepted. I know you weren't intending to feel controlling, you just wanted to get something done. Honestly, if PMs had been open at the time, I would've PMed it to you instead of putting it in the thread.

That being said, at somepoint tomorrow I will put up a reads list of everyone in the game. Hopefully that'll spark more discussion. I'd do it tonight but it's late and I'm sleep deprived.

1 hour ago, Furamirionind said:

If anyone is found to have an item after not having claimed that item, I'm going to push for thier lynch.

I have explained why its pro village to claim, yet only Striker and Drake have been doing that. Maybe Striker Drake and myself are the only villagers in the entire game? 

If there is no reason not to claim, and there is reason to claim, the right thing to do is claim. I find it hard to believe that every single item in the game has fallen to the elims. So I am a tad frustrated by the villages lack of working together.

49 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

I like to play this game proactively. I like to make the first move, guess where my opponent is going to move, and observe what they actually do. That is how I have played from C1.  This is why my playstyle changes so much based on the rulesets. however the proactive play here, is to be public with info. It forces the elims to show their hand, tell us about them. Do they care about the items? which items do they target? do they try to kill those people? how many boxings do they have?
This is what playing playing proactively tells us.

Unfortunately, the way that you like to play the game may not be the way others like to play the game. There comes a point where one might be told that opposition to doing x is un-villagery, and therefore they must do x or else. At that point, people start to feel like they have no agency, and are just glorified extra votes and actions. Some people will go along with it, others won't. People in SE have historically decided before that they would rather be lynched than have their actions dictated to them, and once that happens, the whole system breaks down. A better way to achieve village cooperation would be to explain why it would be beneficial if people acted in a certain way, and do not force it as a way to prove villageriness.

Personally, I missed the first post where you explained why you wanted people to claim items, and am too tired to look for it. I'd appreciate it if you reiterated why you think it will be helpful.

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Lynch Vote Tally
Kidpen (6): DrakeMarshmallow, Furamirionind, StrikerEZ, Young Bard, Arraenae, Devo
Young Bard (3): Elandera, Fifth Scholar, Kidpen
Fifth Scholar (1): Araris Valerian

If Kidpen really was an elim, then the votes on Bard come across as much more suspicious. Kidpen is obviously dead and I'm willing to extend Elandera the benefit of the doubt on this, because her tunnel seems like a village one, so I'm voting on Fifth.

11 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

I suspect Rae less than Devotary right now, but as I think Alv was village, a hammer on him would have caused 2 villagers and 1 GM to die that turn instead of just 1 villager 1 GM... So that doesn't clear her to me.

I wasn't attempting a hammer, I was just writing up an analysis post and lost track of the time trying to make it sound more coherent...

4 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

It seemed that Snip was more opposed to the idea of there being a moral imperative to vote for a governor than any desire to prevent Drake specifically from becoming a governor. I personally feel 'only a concerted effort will result in a governor' is more palatable than 'if you don't vote for this person, you're evil'.  On that note, as we can always re-Governor as necessary and the likelihood of two village votes outweighs the extra 10% uncertainty if the ledger chain ends up being scanned as evil, I can add the 5/9th vote for Drake.

We can't prove it false yet, we just diminish it's likelihood to minuscule credibility. The conspiracy requires the elims to start out with a dagger, Striker's ledger, Drake's three boxings to bribe Kidpen, and Bard's three boxings to buy another ledger. They would then have to bus Lum and foolishly allow the ledger to pass into the market. This cycle, they would have to use two boxings to divert your ledger into the path of their dagger. For the rest of the game, they would have to make sure that nobody in the chain ever got killed or scanned, which likely means buying both ledgers from the market and have an elim not involved in the chain scan Bard. That would be the sixth elim, along with Bard, Striker, Drake, Lum, and Alv/El. At any time, the entire chain could utterly collapse if the third ledger ever showed up and scanned one of its members. With 17 players still alive and unarrested, this would be a massive gamble and thus not grounds for a lynch when we have other methods of verification available. We can choke off this theory even further by having Fura's scan go through to the correct target while making sure Fura doesn't die.

If Bard did flip evil, would that cause you to go after Striker, Drake, and/or Fura? The ledgers are a more accurate method of determining alignment than a lynch that gives at least a 10% chance of an incorrect flip. I don't really understand where the lynch on Kidpen came from, but I would vote there over Bard. There's 30 minutes left to make any other lynch viable.

In that case, I'll vote for Kidpen.

27 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

There aren't any votes for Snip currently. I would not say his taking a stand against immediately electing Drake as governor is indicative of guilt. If there actually was an elim conspiracy to funnel daggers towards Alvron, Snip might well have been a part of it, but there's no particular evidence beyond Alvron's claim. @Snipexe, why did you pass your dagger to Alvron?

Could you clarify this line?

2 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

I'm not ready to say alv was definitely an elim.

Edit oops sorry forgot I posted already

I laid out a post describing why I believe lynching Alv was good for the village here.

Could someone summarize the reasons for lynching Snip and Bard? I don't have the time to look at them both tonight.

My long-promised analysis of Elandera:

In general, Elandera is very aware of the possibility of elim vote manips. She puts up a lot of vote tallies and also mentions how vote manips can be used as a way to trace back to the elims.

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Regarding the suspicion Ark used the dagger, I don't think it should be used to condemn either him or Snipexe. He is just brash enough of a player that I would believe village!Ark got a dagger, named it what he claimed, and over-zealously chose to use it on someone. He only had a few option for people with votes on them, and probably wanted to keep the dagger in easy circulation. Additionally, by stabbing someone a fellow Alleyverse player had voted on, the joke around the dagger name would be more potent.

In her third post, Elandera defends Ark, who we now know is village. However, next cycle, she attacks him here:

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"I'm going to vote on Wilson again, for the same reasons as last time." -- Ark

This seems mildly suspicious to me. His initial response seemed to be ignoring 90% of the discussion in the thread for the day. While I understand that might be from lack of time/initial reaction to what's happening, this seems off.

So far, Elandera has a pretty good record. She attacked/voted on Lum and Gaea, and mostly defended Ark and me. Eventually she also voted on Alv, too. Elandera clearly didn't like her options during C3, and tried to move her vote off of Alv, but then moved it back on. I think if she was an elim, she would've pushed harder to move the lynch on Alv, and definitely wouldn't have gone with it in the beginning. See here:

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Well, I don't like this, but I think it's better than Fura or Rae. Alvron. Fura. Please tell me your cooking up a better target. Of all the people on right now, I trust you most.

Then here:

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I switched because you hadn't posted and I am about to get off for the night. It didn't seem anyone else was going to join, so I opted to move rather that have a 4-way tie.

Now that you have posted, Shqueeves Alvron 

That's it for me tonight. Goodnight. 

This was early enough that without Elandera's support, the Alv lynch might not have took off. Overall, this looks very villagery.

I'm not sure what to think of Elandera's attacks on Striker. It looks a lot like tunneling to me, but she has been pretty accurate so far. I'd take a look at him, but I have a feeling that my time is better spent looking at the supposed other links in the Bard-Striker-Drake-Fura circle.

I'd be happy to support Elandera for governor.

Back from work now, so I can finally type something now.

Alv.

Even if Alv's story is true, that still proves that he's not working for village interests here. Look at how he's presenting himself here:

4 hours ago, Alvron said:

Now then, as to why I did everything I did.  That's a long story but I'll keep it brief.  I discovered an elim very early on.  It was El but since I like El, wanted Daggers and Burnt had been killed I decided to take a chance for some fun and PMed her revealing I knew her alignment.  She denied it of course but that didn't last long given the offer I made.  In the end we had a deal.  They give me Daggers for me to use on whoever I wish so long as I tell them my target before rollover. (El, in future make sure to include a timeframe in those kind of deals as I was going to do it right before rollover giving you no time to plan a save.) In addition, I was to give them any non dagger items I came across including boxings.  Since I didn't care for other items, I agreed.  (Sidenote: I really think it's unfair that Joe doesn't let us name our Boxings.)  To make it perfectly clear, El was the only elim I was aware of nor was I told that Gaea was the corrupt constable.  Everything I said regarding keeping the Black Market around was true.  I wanted Daggers and this gave me a way to get them without relying on them being passed to me.
 

According to his story, Alv found an elim and left them alive. He planned to exchange all of his whiskeys, search warrants, and ledgers with them in exchange for daggers. He did not plan to kill this elim, or tell anybody else about them. Even if Alv is village and this is true, this is sketchy as crem. At best, he's acting more like a neutral player at this point, and at worst, he's an elim, and it says something when someone's best defense is "I am not an elim but I made a deal with them."

I think we should just lynch him and be done with this mess.

9 hours ago, Furamirionind said:

Good good. I cant say I find this unexpected, but this is very good... except 1 thing:

Seriously? why kill El? I wanted to RP with her!

I swear, someone in this game is trying to make my life miserable : (

Ok, we have a confirmed village circle forming. This is very good. Daggers have started circulating it seems, so it is time to stop saying things in thread, and start PMin... nvm... :'(

Ok... This is interesting...

Elandera tried to Steal Striker's Ledger last night. Did you succeed? (Ninjad nope, you got boxings)

With PMs gone, it's time for me to drop my attempts at intrigue and manipulation.

Bard, Striker, Drake, and I'll add Fifth, are all not to be lynched at this point.

Devotary should never be lynched today, though idk about others.

The elim that bribed El was online within an hour of rollover.

That leaves: 

Alvron - most likely an elim. Still possibly not. Not guaranteed. Need more analysis 

Elandera - should probably be lynched

Haelbarde

Kidpen - inactive or lurking?

Shqueeves

At least one of these is an elim.

Edit: take Rae off that list. She tried to vote on Alv. Regardless if he is an elim, him surviving helps the elims.

49 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

 

@Elandera

"Friends! Allies!" Ninoirim started speaking, "and... enemies..." he said, looking directly at Gaius. "The first and most important thing we can do, is to rush Senator Elantari to the hospital. However, as the guards wont let anyone enter or leave without the Governor's approval. With the Governor being dead, it is far past time we choose a new one.
Beyond just being able to rush Elentari to the hospital, we also gain more control in the political arguments we have been having.

"I understand that many of you don't trust me, mostly for good reasons, I admit, I have made mistakes in the past, and will continue to make them in the future. However, I think I am best suited to such a role amongst those of us still alive. My main promise though, is that I will ensure that no matter how simple or easy it is to send you to Gaea to be locked up, I will not do so unless there is evidence, and it is the right thing to do. Look at what I did over this past hour. Miss Botaneaux didn't deserve to be locked up just because she works for an unpopular senator!

"Beyond just that, we need to start controlling the lynch far more than we have been. This not only means we need to make certain the correct person is elected Governor, and that we need to have high enough vote counts to prevent what just happened, but we also need to be more careful with staging ties and close votes. If we keep votes close, it has to be specifically for the purpose of seeing what voting manipulation is going to happen. In addition, we should start being more public with info!"

"While we can't ask those with concealed weapons to claim, as those weapons could purely be taken away, it is important that it is known who made which attack. Everyone with Ledgers should claim, though I know currently only Sheev has one. Anyone with Whiskey should also claim. You may think it makes you more vulnerable, but as there are another 3 bottles, well 2 available bottles at the moment, it doesn't as you could still be protected. Anyone with a warrant should also claim. While it may seem counter intuitive, it means that we will know much better which items have, or are at risk, of falling to the hands of the traitors"

"There are many vying for the position of Governor, but as my final argument, think on this: Would you rather have a governor that has put an immense amount of time and effort into this conference, and who is posting near MU levels of content, or someone lurking in the shadows, not driving discussion, and with no discussion or pressure on them?"

Ninoirim looks directly at Gaius, then pulls out a bunch of ballots, and starts handing them around. Once he is done handing them out, he takes one for himself, jots down Senator Ninoirim/Furamirionind for Governor, and drops it into the box. He then looks around expectantly at the others.

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Edit: That last bit isn't really in character... lol

Annie's pen jerked sideways.

Senator Ninoirm had acknowledged Annie's existence! This was the first time in the past six years that she could remember a Senator addressing her by her name! (Besides Onde, he didn't count.)

But...something didn't feel quite right. Annie chewed on her lip. Should she say this? So soon after Senator Ninoirm had vouched for her, too?

Yes. This was what she had attended university for. Annie stood up and cleared her throat.

"E-excuse me, Senators," Annie said. Harmony, there were so many of them here. "Senator Ninoirm, I thank you for your support. However before we can vote for you, I have one question to ask. What makes you so certain that Senators Bard, Striker, Drake, and Fifth are not corrupt?"

I was going to get that in faster but it's hard typing up a post while keeping up with the thread >.>

On Alvron, Lord of Shadows:

I agree with El about Alv seeming to play up his love for the Black Market too much. In general, he seems much chattier than usual, but he's acting in ways that don't really help the village? For example, there's this post:

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Unless the Gov is a Troll or someone that likes chaos.  I personally would have no problem freeing an elim just for kicks.  Plus we might be able to get them to reveal their former teammates since they will no longer share a win con.

Generally bragging about acting in ways contrary to village interests isn't very good.

Here's another example:

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Unless it's both.  We lose the Black Market and lynch the wrong Constable.  I freely and wholeheartedly admit I want the Black Market to remain.  I have plans for it as it's one of the few ways for me to get my hands on Daggers.  Seeing it be removed will greatly lessen my chances of getting all of them by the end of the game.  As an aside, if you do have a named Dagger at the end of the game, shoot me a PM and I'll discuss terms of buying it from you.  

Personally, Wilson would be the one I would vote for as I don't really use PMs.  

There is also something else to consider.  Those that vote for the successful lynch are the ones that benefit the most as any items/boxings that are up for grabs goes to them so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a bunch of votes pile onto the leading candidate near the end of each cycle.  It's what happened last time iirc.

Again, it seems like Alv is setting his own interests before that of the village. He has said that he has an extremely accurate rate of killing elims as a vigilante, but I still get the feeling that he's more interested in murdering people than in catching elims. In a case like this, even if he's village, if he's left alive, he'll be acting in ways contrary to village intersts and we'll be better off with him dead.

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With the corrupt constable out there, now would be a great time to pull off a fake scan as there is a chance of them flipping elim even if village.  Given that this has been the subject for the past two cycles, I'm very suspicious that you two forgot that.

We want either a couple of votes or a pile of votes to get the most chance of an accurate result in the lynch should it continue as it looks to be.
I've been ninja'd by at least two posts and I bet they are covering the same things I just posted.

One thing to note here is that Alv defended Lum indirectly by saying that lynching her wouldn't be completely conclusive of her alignment, and also threw some suspicion onto Striker here. I am assuming that Lum's alignment as displayed is correct, but with that, Alv's post here looks kind of bad.  Also, if Alv is an elim, Striker probably isn't one.

Based off of all of that, Alv.

2 minutes ago, Young Bard said:

...Snip, Striker, I definitely didn't type the wrong name there. Nope. Definitely not.  (Sorry - I decided there was an admittedly small chance I'd die tonight so I wanted that out there in case I did.)

As proof, the full title of the Ledger is "The Great and Mighty Finder of Evildoers". Use it well, Striker.

Just to clarify, you were the one to scan Striker?

2 minutes ago, Young Bard said:

 

Sorry for the double post if 5 people haven't posted between this post and the last one - if Devotary's vote tally is right, then we need one of Hael, Fura, Alv and Rae to take their votes off Ark, of which @Haelbarde and @Arraenae are online right now, and at least one of @DrakeMarshmallow and @RayOfSunshine to take their votes off of Rae to avoid vote manipulation.

I'll do a quick read-through of Alv's posts and decide whether I'm switching my vote or not.

2 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Ark(4): Hael, Fura, Alv, Rae
Alv(3): Elbereth, Elandera, Striker
Rae(2): Drake, Ray
Wilson(1): Araris
Gaea(1): Fifth

I am extremely confused as to why this had to happen so close to rollover, but it certainly seems somebody and perhaps multiple people are willing to let this lynch go to a tie. There's not a lot of boxings to go around for the people lynched, so killing multiple people isn't likely to make anybody any richer. Perhaps I should stop adapting this part of the post to everything that's happening. Why is Ark being voted on all of a sudden? Is this about revenge for Burnt's death, or honest suspicion that Ark is evil?

I believe this is in part because Ark killed Burnt, who has been on hiatus for a long time on C1, and Hael and Alv are still upset about that.

I know I'm village, and I don't want to die. Ark.

An analysis of Lum, for further leads:

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Hello, checking in. I've only skimmed the thread so far, but I'm here. 

I feel like it would benefit the elims more if PM's were closed (which would prevent village cooperation, pooling of resources, etc), so I'm a bit reluctant to lynch Wilson. It could definitely be the case that Wilson is corrupt and the fact that lynching her closes PM's is meant to dissuade us from doing that. If there's any constable I would suggest lynching today, it would... probably be Joe? Lynching Gaea today would be a waste of her ability, since there's no one in jail right now. Although not being able to buy items would not be fun, I think it's a better alternative than losing PM's. Besides, the elims would better be able to pool their resources and coordinate which items for everyone to use. So, as much as I don't like the idea of not being able to buy items, I think that it'll probably be of more benefit to the village. If anyone thinks otherwise, I would love to hear their explanations  

This post...doesn't line up? Lum votes on Joe with no reasoning given and has a long spiel about Gaea that's inconclusive/waffley of her value to the village?

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Alright now, Striker, please tell me why you decided to frame me. 

Was it because you regretted your posts and knew suspicion was going to come onto you?

With your voting on yourself to make sure Snipexe wouldn't be lynched, I assumed you would be less willing to deflect attention away from yourself onto another villager.

(edit: @StrikerEZ)

Lum counterclaims against Striker, and now that she's flipped elim, this definitely feels more like the act of an elim who tried to bluff things out.

I don't think it's likely that Striker is an elim who tried to bus Lum to get out of a lynch. Lum only had one post before this, and was under little to no suspicion. Why would an elim try to save themselves from a lynch by bussing another one who was flying under the radar? There aren't any important roles to protect. Additionally, this would take a fair amount of effort to set up -- one of the elims would've had to scan Lum the cycle before. Why go to all of this effort? It seems a little absurd to think that the elims could know that one of their own would come under fire the next cycle and decide to counter that by bussing another one of their own.

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Oof. I'll have to... um... actually closely read the thread now... welp... uhhhhhh

@Furamirionind Have a few sentences for now

Elandera's defense of Striker seems pretty village. I imagine an elim would have tried to tunnel on somebody else (assuming Striker was elim), for instance, voting for me when Hael posted my "scan" results.

Alvron: I'm definitely liking that he has a lot of content, and I'd say I agree with his argument about lynching players rather than constables, especially if there are a lot of strong suspects at the moment. As I've mentioned before, I'm a big fan of PM's and definitely wouldn't want to lose them. I'd be somewhat more ok with losing the black market, but I'd definitely prefer to keep that for now.  However, he's being pretty forceful with his arguments... I'd expect such from either a player under a lot of pressure: either a suspected player, which he isn't, or a player who has a lot of motivation to not have one of the constables lynched. This makes sense, because even if we lynched a village constable today, we would know which constable is corrupt the next day, so it would benefit elim!Alvron to really drive in his argument.

Also, Alvron has said a lot of other things which I haven't really looked into as much; that part just happened to stand out to me as I was skimming the thread XD

 

I'm curious why Lum picked Elandera and Alv. Lum has a long opinion of Alv, and a much shorter one for Elandera. Personally, I think it's possible that she tried to point out Elandera but also in a fairly noncommittal way, as a form of distancing.

I'll take a look at Elandera in my next post.

6 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

Hmm, after skimming back through LG55, I dont think Rae is a good lynch today. Though I would like to hear more of her opinions on the game and its players.

I'll get that out before the end of today.

I'd like to note that by the time I checked the game C1, I'd just spent 6 hours in a DnD session, and I had 1 and a half hours until rollover. I also hadn't read the rules yet. So yes, I went with an easy RP vote as a way to show that I was at least alive. It was that or reading the thread first and maybe not having anything to say until after rollover.

Annie sat in the Senate's chambers, dutifully taking notes.

Things had been chaos. Her hand cramped from hours and hours of notetaking, neatly spread out across multiple pieces of paper. But she couldn't stop yet. Without her help, Onde would have no way to catch up once he returned from his vacation.

Someone new began speaking -- Senator Niroinim. Annie skipped a line and started summarizing his words. She rather liked Senator Niroinim. While the other Senators had dithered and chitchatted, he had returned the discussion back to more pressing matters. He worked hard, and she got the sense that he tried.

In fact, Annie thought that he would make a great governor -- at least an interim one, to tide them over until Elendel could properly elect a new one. She would have to draft a letter to Onde, asking him to consider a vote for Senator Niroinim as governor.

A short RP vote. Off the top of my head, I like the effort Fura's putting in, so why not?

41 minutes ago, Alvron said:

With the corrupt constable out there, now would be a great time to pull off a fake scan as there is a chance of them flipping elim even if village.  Given that this has been the subject for the past two cycles, I'm very suspicious that you two forgot that.

We want either a couple of votes or a pile of votes to get the most chance of an accurate result in the lynch should it continue as it looks to be.
I've been ninja'd by at least two posts and I bet they are covering the same things I just posted.

We also had two separate vote manipulations last cycle, so forgive me if I err towards piling the votes rather than keeping them low. We don't get confirmations of alignments on living players, either.

24 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

I did respond to it:

Beyond that post, most of my response of this has happened in PMs over the past couple hours, as I was familiar with what was going on before it was posted.

Striker(2): Fifth, Araris, Lum
Lum(4): Striker, Drake, Devotary, Ark
Snip(2): Alv, Hael
Ark(1): Snip
Gaea(1): Rae
Wilson(0): Ark

I don't think that's the correct vote count?

edit: my computer didnt load the 5th page... *sigh*

...oops. I thought the lack of a vote meant no input. I retract my suspicion of you for that, then.

Lum, have anything else besides a few lines of reads? 

I think it would be fairly safe to take the scan as accurate. Lum didn't claim to have bribed someone, and I find it hard to believe that an elim would make up a fake claim like that when they could be lynched afterwards once the target flipped village. I'm also a little suspicious of those who have posted after the scan claim who didn't mention the scan at all, such as Fura and Ray. I'm exempting Bugsy from this because he only posted to say he's been too busy to follow the game.

Edit: Ray voted on Lum right before I posted. Nevermind.

I think the kill on Burnt and the dagger name is an elim IKYK. It's a C1 kill, and elims generally kill in SE. If we had someone playing vigilante with a daggers, I'd have expected to see two kills. And for the name of the dagger, it's likely an IKYK. I'd take that as an invitation to analyze the alleyverse players, but it's not alignment indicative my itself.