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    I'm just concerned when anyone follows my example. Considering the vote was in favor of Stink before I intervened, then swung in Wilson's direction and now in Creccio's, I can't help but feel like I have more sway than I really should, and that scares me because either a: it's going to get me implicated the moment I make a mistake, which like anyone else I am liable to, or b: there's traitors latching on to me like a leech with the intention to soak up any info I gather and potentially cast suspicion my way if they're found out or c: the crew is being way to trusting which doesn't bode well for us. If I was actually evil a lot of valuable people would be guaranteed dead at this point. EDIT CAUSE I LEFT OUT THE WORD EVIL
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    Oh definitely. Captain Wurum Heron, AKA Wyrmhero. EDITED FOR JOKE VOTE RETRACTION
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    I'm just particularly paranoid about this game because of the fact we lost a Kandra D1 over nothing. And I don't enjoy the feeling of me taking charge of the crew.
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    I have said this multiple times now. If you are not confident a person is evil, do not vote. EDIT: Also, this is why I hate votes that are decided last minute, let alone by the minority. If we are going to condemn a player to death we need more input from everyone. I might start suggesting games require that 25% of the living players vote to get someone lynched.
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    @Wilson; you voted for Stink rather early, if I'm not mistaken, then changed it to Ripple after I came to his defense
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    @Creccio: you yourself said that the threat of a lynch was necessary to instigate discussion. I am simply exploring the merit of that claim. I also want to mention that I have had several players tell me that you were (or had very good reason to believe that you were) a Mistborn, especially after I started asking people who they would hypothetically want a Mistborn to kill. One of the first things you told me after you gave me the hint to your role is that "if I die, kill Mail." That directly contradicts what you just said of being certain you couldn't die. You also say the same phrase again, saying that "he thinks I am a Mistborn (I might be) if I die, please get him" Additionally, the only time I phished for a role was when I bribed the Hemalurgist's identity out of Stink. Every other time I was approached by someone, either because I posted openly so everyone could see that I wanted to establish contact with a certain role (I left it up to them to decide) or I told other players that if they know a certain role, ask them if they would please contact me. I gave everyone a choice to come to me rather than respond; sometimes I was told that they were not willing, other times they messaged me shortly after. I gave players a choice, partly because I could then create webs of well Player A told me Player B said I wanted to talk to them, so if Player A turns out to be evil Player B probably is too. There is one other instance where I mentioned to a player that someone else had reason to believe they were a Feruchemist and they then admitted it immediately, but also that they did not affect the vote, which coincided with a PM within a similar time frame where a player claimed to be the Feruchemist that changed Shallan's vote and affirmed they were loyal. So either those two are definitely evil trying to cover each other's alibies or the Traitor's didn't receive a Feruchemist this round, which in my mind implicates you for your last minute retraction. I also should note that in our PM together, Creccio, the first subject you brought up was the traitor Feruchemist as if it were a for sure thing, when really you, being evil, knew there was none and hopped you could use that to gain my trust, not knowing that I would later be confronted by the one who changed the vote. EDIT: Note, that last sentence is the impression left on me by the situation; I'm not saying you are for sure evil, but I can't help but wonder. In my mind right now it's either you're guilty or the other two players are guilty.
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    Stink (1): Kipper (1), Creccio (1), Wilson (1) Kaid (0): Kasimir (1) Wilson (2): Ripple (1), Adavantos (1), Kipper (2), phattmer (1) Kipper (1): Paranoid King (1) Araris (1): Kasimir (2) Creccio (2): Bort (1), Adavantos (2) Ripple (1): Wilson (1) To the Feruchemist that admitted to me their role but promised they did not get involved with the Shallan Debacle, I am requesting that you change phattmer's vote to Creccio to prove to me that you were telling the truth. EDIT: That is, unless, Creccio comes up with an adequete defense. I would rather avoid killing an innocent but right now I don't see how anything you've done up to this point has been helpful. You have instigated roles out of other people while offering vague hints and blatant lies in return Unlike Wilson, you hoarded the identities of the roles you found to yourself, which suggests to me that you are a part of a document as otherwise you would have probably confided in someone especially considering: You kept telling me that you were more sure that you would die that night
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    So then unless anyone else claims that Mail told him his role or that they were aware someone else knew it, then it absolutely had to be one of us five. That or the HI decided to betray us, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt due to how much evidence we have that suggests otherwise. With that being said, given that three out of the five players were both instrumental in Shallan's death and knew Mail's role, I am far more convinced that it has to be one of those three. I have said this in many games before and I will say it again. I do not believe in coincidences. I am most convinced the traitor is Creccio, but Wilson follows close second and Kipper takes third. I would not be surprised if Kipper is playing both Wilson and I for fools, but this is where I stand for the time being. Also, phattmer's vote on Wilson has effectively made me more convinced of his guilt and less convinced of hers. But this may very well be yet another eliminator ploy to make us trust Wilson, like with the anonymous message.
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    Posts 1-84 Summaries Kaid: 1 “First” 13 Asks Adavantos what the method to his madness was (reference to end of N1) 24 Responds to Kasimir saying his post was hasty; understands why he might seem suspicious but does not like the way it feels. Kipper: 2 Off topic comment. Jokes that Wilson is responsible / bloodthirsty. 7 Claims he found out Mail’s role within the last hour of the game from a player other than him. Votes for Stink who was said to have acted suspiciously after learning Mail’s role. 18 Provides his own time line for info flow according to his knowledge 27 Points out that there is an additional possibility; neither Wilson or Stink are evil and he is the traitor. Says that because of how late in the turn it isn’t likely he could have gotten the order changed. 35 Updated list of timeline of Mail’s reveals. 75 Revises theory that either Stink is good, Wilson is bad, both are bad or neither are bad Adavantos: 3 Expresses confusion from write up. 5 Says he will review PMs but remembers a player who said they found a Hemalurgist and another that said Mail claimed to them. 8 Asks for Kipper to elaborate on Stink’s behavior. Asks Wyrm to clarify if this kill was a traitor or Mistborn. Kasimir: 4 Long RP followed by questions; did Mail role claim, to who, and how many do we have left? 12 Wants to create a list of people who knew Mail’s role and create a map of how the info flowed. Points out Creccio, Wilson, Kipper and Stink. 16 Votes for Kaid for being nonchalant. Says he will vote for Stink if he won’t defend himself. Asks Wilson why she outed Stink as a forger and told him Mail’s role to begin with. Asks that anyone else who knew Mail’s role to come out. Tells all to practice PM safety from now on. Expresses doubt that Mail was a fear kill, for both Wilson and Alvron are generally higher priority and it’s well known that Adavantos was gathering information and making plans. Reminds everyone that this isn’ the only subject to discuss; we still have to the D1 lynch to figure out. 19 Kas explains he mentioned Cow because he was called out for telling others to practice PM safety D1, which was obviously not followed. Says he is slightly frustrated after hearing about all the role claims. 23 Expresses confusion and frustration. 32 Theorizes that it was a traitor!Surgebinder who left the message and guesses they may have an Awakener and Feruchemist as well. 56 Confirms he didn’t want to know what Wilson had to say because of being consistently for operational security. 67 Long post regarding his case against Stink and potentially Wilson 69 Affirms to Stink that it’s nothing personal, just what he’s thinking 78 Votes for Araris for saying that Stink is a valuable contributor to the thread (active vs contributive). Asks Adavantos to explain the method to his madness. Suggests the Forged Kandra not show themselves. Asks to be Forged. Wilson: 6 Responds to Kipper’s joke, saying she doesn’t remember killing Mail but apologizes. 10 Explains in depth how Mail’s role was revealed to Stink and he acted excited because it was the first claim he heard, which contradicts an earlier statement where he knew a Forger. 15 Timeline of info flow. 20 Explains she outed Stink maybe being a Forger as it was relevant to the situation. 28 Points out Stink’s contradictions; one, alludes to being a Forger and does not correct Wilson when she assumes he is, two, expresses joy that he finally learned a player’ role, three, denies that he is a Forger in thread. 39 Points out the mistakes in Steph’s last post. Says if it was a loyalist Surgebinder then it could have just been a joke, which is common (I made a similar joke in QF10 with a can of spray paint after an off topic discussion regarding sentient objects that think they are Wilson). Votes for Stink because he thinks it’s very unlikely a real Forger would have claimed to Wilson and that it more likely they are both traitors. Explains she told Kipper what happened with Stink because she trusts him and someone needed to know. 46 Explains that it’s not that no one would trust Stink, it’s that he had done nothing within the first 24 hours to warrant it. Mentions it makes sense that people role claim to Adavantos as he put himself in a position that he would be the natural person to role claim to 54 Explains that she has good reason to trust Kipper but cannot reveal it (I have the same information but still reserve my doubts, hence why I had the Kandra I knew scan him) and since Kas didn’t want any extra info Kipper was the only one she could go to. 58 Explains that Kipper didn’t figure out her role until the end of N1 (after reviewing this information I know know too, as Kipper told me he learned of another role at the same time as him learning the Hemalurgist). Insists that the Forger that contacted Stink is most likely a traitor, as otherwise there is no other reason to buddy up with someone that quick. Stink: 9 Brings up that Wilson was the one who told both Stink and Kipper and that she finds him hard to read and thus must be dangerous to the town. 14 “If Wilson is suspicious of me; there isn’t much to do” 17 Asks Kasimir why he mentioned Cow in the same sentence as PM safety. 21 Says he is not a Forger. 26 Mentions that multiple people know he didn’t claim Forger. Explains to Kas that he figured out Mail was a Hemalurgist because of Wilson’s explanation. 33 Confirms he knows a Forger. Explains that he was just happy to be able to do something useful for the crew when he learned of Mail’s role. 38 Says he’s been trying to keep the identity of the Forger a secret to keep them safe. Also says that the Forger is the only one who trusted him (a lie as I told him that I would be investing my faith in him this game, but probably doesn’t think I trust him because I didn’t tell him my role). Explains what he did and why he did it. Asks if people want him to name names 40 Says that its mean to say no one would trust him and that he doesn’t accuse others of that 42 Reminds Araris that he voted to create a tie 44 Continues to defend himself 47 Continues to defend himself 49 Won’t reveal specifics for fear of releasing the Forger’s identity 51 Says he forgot the original intent but at the end left it because they were trying to keep a tie 53 Mentions that Wilson and Kipper have a weird PM thing that happens every game 55 Relates Wilson’s trust for Kipper developed similarly to Stink’s and the Forger’s 60 Continues to defend himself 62 Says it was intentional as to keep people guessing about their identity 64 Reminds him that everyone but Mail claimed no role to him so there was no info to be had 66 Explains that he only told the Forger two no roles (does this mean that you didn’t reveal Mail’s role to them? Because that info is critical right now) 68 Says he has no reason to defend himself because Kipper says he created a plan to make himself suspicious 79 Doesn’t know what to say to defend himself because Wilson and Kipper have said everything regarding his involvement for him 84 Quotes Creccio’s reasoning for the last minute vote retraction Wyrm: 11 Says it was a traitor kill; if a Mistborn, metal will be mentioned in some way. Cow: 22 Acknowledges Kasimir was right and withdraws his comment from D1. Ripple: 25 Offers possible explanations for what happened. Votes for Wilson, asking how her beginning the lynch train on a player who posted only once at the end of the first day was helpful to the crew. Asks why there was a message on the bathroom wall 71 Thinks that Wilson’s certainty of Stink’s role is suspicious Mailliw: 29 RP regarding his death. Biggoron: 30 Answers Ripple; Surgebinders can leave anonymous messages in the write-up. Paranoid King: 31 RP post, votes for Kipper for his involvement in the Shallan Debacle and because he attempted to pry information from him by warning PK of his death, Queensteph: 34 Claims she didn’t use PMs much and thus doesn’t know any roles. Expresses her opinions on the Surgebinders motives (crew!Surgebinder trying to put suspicion on a player they think is evil, traitor!Surgebinder trying to put suspicion on a player who is good or make it seem like that’s what they’re trying to do to protect a fellow traitor from suspicion). 37 Mistakenly adds that Stink could have been a Kandra who found a Forger. Suggests an alternative that Stink could just have lied about knowing a Forger (I am inclined to agree with this; I believe he wanted to gather info from people and this was a sufficient lie. Not inherently evil, but suspect) 52 Asks why Wilson trusted Kipper. Creccio: 36 Says he never revealed the identity of the Hemalurgist (told me she found one but not who it was). Says only Wilson and Stink would use that for harm measures (ignores Kipper). Votes for Stink for being both involved and unreadable. 43 Reiterates that it is unlikely a Forger would roleclaim to Stink N1 45 Suggests Stink call out the claimed Forger. Says there are many players that are more trustworthy that would have been told. Mentions a PM debacle that cements Stinks guilt in his mind. 48 Asks what Stink did to get the Forger to trust him 61 Comments on the fact that Stink referred to the Forger as a female and a male in different posts 63 Mentions that the Forger could easily be using Stink as a proxy for info 65 Continues to doubt the Forger’s loyalty 70 Continues to ask the Forger to come out 82 Alludes to players who trust him and asks Bort to say what he thinks the reason for his last minute vote retraction is. 84 Agrees that this is what he said Araris: 41 Votes for Stink for bandwagoning on the Bridge Boy vote day 1. Retracts vote because he doesn’t want another bandwagon to occur. 50 Quites Stink’s vote from D1 where he voted for Bridge Boy not to create a tie but to save Adavantos 72 Advocates that we wait before killing either Stink or Wilson since they have been frequent contributors Elbareth: 57 Responds to Kas from the previous night, expressing that she had not realized the fault in PK’s plan until Kas brought it up himself. Asks the HI to post how many Hemalurgists contacted him. Asks how many Mistborn there could be and expresses confusion that neither of them made an attack. 75 Thanks Lopen for clearing up why the Mistborn didn’t kill Arraenae: 59 RP with a confused tone; says she won’t be available the second half of the turn so will not be placing a vote. Lopen: 73 Says he is least suspicious of Creccio and most suspicious of Stink. Mentions that likely the Mistborns didn’t kill anyone because otherwise that would have essentially random but says they have hit a Voidbringer. Affirms that it doesn’t make sense for a traitor Wilson and traitor Surgebinder to have been involved in the anonymous message due to lingering suspicion from the Shallan Debacle. 80 Calls out the 13 players that at that point in time had not yet said anything and asks to be Forged as well. Spaghetti: 74 Believes anonymous message to be of town and possess little meaning. Agrees that Wilson should be scanned tonight. 76 Off topic banter with Kipper Bort: 81 Is suspicious of Creccio and Bridge Boy due to PM conversations. Asks Adavantos what Creccio’s reasons were for the last minute vote retraction. Votes for Creccio for being a suspect in both events. Orlok: 83 Says he will post more later on due to being busy with real life. So, for the sake of being organized, I had some italisized commentary in paranthesis. I will now list them in bullets in case you don't feel compelled to read through the first half of every player's post summaries. I have the same information about Kipper that Wilson has (the reason she trusts him) I now have learned Wilson's role from a combination of info Kipper shared to me in a PM and a comment made by Wilson Stink claims that he only told the Forger the identities of two roleless; does this mean they were not aware of Mail's role? If so that rules them out as evil, hence why he might still be protecting their identity I have a theory that Stink is not in contact with a Forger at all, but lied about that to phish for information. This, however, is not inherently good or evil. Though I never gave him any identities, I had been discussing with him all the roles that had been claimed to me. It wasn't until a few hours after he displayed sadness that no one role claimed to him that he began asking people if they wanted to be Forged. I am basing this assumption on the fact that he likely asked others around the same time that he asked me. While it is possible a Forger claimed to him, I am inclined to believe he became envious of the progress I was making and wanted to become a part of all the plans in his own way. I could be wrong about this, but this is the personal read I have gotten on the situation. Anyway, upon reviewing all of the information I have at my disposal, I am more convinced of Creccio's guilt for the following reasons. Initially I had ruled out that Creccio was evil because I was convinced the Feruchemist who changed the vote to Shallan was a traitor. For that reason I decided to reveal my role in order to obtain his. He only gave me vague hints on what it might be which really didn't rule out anything but Hemalurgist, Voidbringer and Surgebinder. Mail approaches me that he exchanged roles with another player, who claims to be a Mistborn - I later learn that this player is Creccio. I then ask Mail to inform the Mistborn that I want them to kill a particular player - as I was, at the time, convinced that he was the traitor Feruchemist because another person approached me with proof that he had been in a PM several times between the time Shallan posted and the turn's end I then send that player a message asking who they were PMing at that time. They tell me it was an OOG PM with phattmer. Another message later they bring to my attention that phattmer and Shallan are brother and sister and that they share the same computer. He suggests its possible that phattmer was evil and so that's the reason he voted for Shallan with a plan to have a fellow traitor join in later to ensure her death so that she couldn't accidently uncover his alignment Convinced that this player is lying I do not intend to remove the order for the Mistborn (Creccio) to attack them During a conversation with another player, I mention that I am fairly confident I found the traitor Feruchemist responsible for Shallan's vote change and that I have put the kill order in. The same player than admits to me, in a rather lengthy paragraph, that they were the Feruchemust who changed the vote on Shallan, but affirms that he is not a traitor and suspects that the traitors don't even have a Feruchemist, because why else would they not intervene? I then remember that the only reason I trusted Creccio to begin with because it didn't make any sense to me that a traitor would stick their neck out to mess with a vote like that when they knew the kill would not be tied with their Feruchemist's influence Keep in mind that I am leaving out a few more significant details about this turn of events in order to protect the identities of the players involved, so if while you read this I am leaving your involvement out that means I am trying to protect you, not trying to mislead anyone. Also, Orlok, know that I intentionally left out a few of the names of players that sent me PMs and that I sent PMs too, as well as made up a few to throw you off because I had no reason to trust that you weren't a traitor trying to find critical roles to hit. I am not fond of lying to people - especially when I'm on the side of good - but until I confirm someone is 100% good I will not share with them everything else I risk putting the lives of others in danger. Also, the player/role I used to bribe that Mail was a hemalurgist out of Stink was Creccio/Mistborn, as at that point in time he was at the top of my probably evil list and I was confident he was lying anyway. The fact that he didn't make a kill at all last night while he had multiple people convinced he was a Mistborn seems extremely off-kilter with the things he was telling me in our PM. I should also mention that a real Mistborn approached me, immediately saying that they will not be using their kill that night as they have no idea who is evil and don't want to risk making a mistake. I agreed that was for the best - and because I wanted to see if the other one would follow through with my request - which they did not. EDIT: TEMPORARILY RETRACTED VOTE FOR JOKE ON PG 11
  10. Amanuensis
    Seems I've been stricken with a case of insomnia tonight, so I'm not quite asleep yet.
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    Assuming that they weren't lying to me when they approached me about being a Kandra, I am currently in contact with one. I asked them to scan Kipper last night but they have yet to post either the code word I gave them if he came back as good or evil, so I cannot vouch for what he is quite yet. My guess at this point is they decided to scan me first to make sure I wasn't evil and passed on the info that "if I die then Adavantos is evil" to someone else they sorta trust. Because I promised them I would protect their identity I will not say anything beyond that. If there is a third Kandra out there, if you find someone that is for sure good it might be smart to send them a PM tonight revealing yourself that way they can act as an intermediary in a similar way.
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    @Orlok: Interesting, maybe, but also consistent with two subjects I have been advocating frequently. Avoid role reveals, especially in public, and verify a player is evil before we have them killed.
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    Having trouble sleeping so I grabbed my phone to check the thread real quick @Orlok: I don't see how those two things are contradictory. I advised caution about killing someone who might be valuable but by no means asked someone to say anything if they knew. I should have left a disclaimer advising that it be kept a secret for now but figured people already knew not to.
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    Lying down now but I just wanted to say that I really wish you didn't say that. If she is loyal and lives to see tonight that's one less dangerous player the traitors have to consider killing to hit another role of use. Anyway, goodnight.
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    I'm about to go to bed (just in time for everyone to start arriving). I ask that everyone, whether or not you were involved in any of this, to please post your thoughts of what's happened the past two days. I understand if you might be apprehensive about voicing your opinion because you have no interactions with any of the players in question, but every single players perspective matters to me and should be heard. Being silent only serves to benefit the traitors, as then we can't catch them in their lies if they're quiet and they have a much larger pool of lurkers to hide among. With that being said, here's the most up to date vote tally. Stink (1): Kipper (1), Creccio (1), Wilson (1) Kaid (0): Kasimir (1) Wilson (2): Ripple (1), Adavantos (1), Kipper (2) Kipper (1): Paranoid King (1) Araris (1): Kasimir (2) Creccio (1): Bort (1) Ripple (1): Wilson (1) I still do not agree with killing someone without verification. I will have to review all of my PMs but I'm pretty sure I have no idea what role Wilson is, which concerns me because if she is indeed a loyalist then we might be losing yet another essential asset. Call me paranoid, but after lynching a Kandra D1 I want to be careful. There's no need for us to be hasty.
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    I'll admit that demand was a really poor choice in wording. Usually I am very conscious when it comes to the tone of my posts and that was a slip. I try very hard to keep how I have to behave at work and how I want to behave during leisure separate, but sometimes the Marine side of me leaks out. I'll make sure it doesn't happen again. Also, Wilson.
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    Given how often I change time zones and that I don't know you well enough to know yours, it's easy for me to lose track of when a player is usually active. Add that to the fact that I saw you viewing, I assumed it was because you were available to speak. I try to make a habit of not reading the thread when I can't talk as that always seems suspect to me and extended that practice to you, so sorry about that. Either way it was not my intention to get you to sacrifice your sleep. I understand that events in real life can have significant effects on how a player behaves in a game. However, since information like this is not relevant to the game itself, I think in the future it would be better if anyone whose going through a situation like this, they should keep the specifics to themselves and simply say, in blue text, I got things going on in real life that have impacted by ability to play, then explain only what's relevant to the game / discussion. Otherwise I find myself having to analyze this as "is she being genuine or using true events in her life to cover up for something she did while appealing for empathy?" I don't like that I have to consider that. As for Stink reacting the way he did, I highly doubt that he would share his excitement with anyone but the traitors in his doc if he were evil. I believe he would be smart enough to keep that to himself knowing full well that they're about to kill that person and it could be used as evidence against him. I can't remember when, where or who said it, but I remember someone recently made a comment that said something along the lines that once Wilson decides a person is evil then she will not back down, so its best not to get on her bad side. Even if it wasn't you specifically, this retraction comes off suspicious to me. As for these discrepancies, can you please point out what you are referring to for people who may have missed it or had them go over their head. I am not willing to look past any information, let alone advocate that we do. I'm not saying we rely on the Kandra to solve the mystery. I am saying that before we condemn a potential ally to death we verify that they are actually evil. Any of the leads we currently have stems entirely from player interactions. The only difference between waiting a cycle to scan someone before killing them is making sure we don't make a critical mistake. Especially if it turns out that Stink is the only loyalist Forger than we would been handing them guaranteed forges the rest of the game. Either way, the players as a collective still do all the leg work involved in solving the mystery and deciding who might be evil. What I'm suggesting is the same thing, it just has an extra step and is dramatically more efficient. Whether we as a whole want to play it that way is for us to decide. All I'm doing is making a logical suggestion, not ordering people to do as I say. I apologize if anyone thinks I have come off that way this game. There's a few ways I can take this vote and the following three paragraphs. I am right about you being a traitor and you're trying to deflect suspicion to another innocent. I am right about you being a traitor and you're placing a vote on an ally just in case you end up dying to soft clear them. I am wrong about you being a traitor and you're placing a vote on a player to genuinely think might be another traitor. Given the tone of your post, and the fact that in my mind you're doing the same thing to my words that you're accusing Ripple of doing to yours, I am leaning towards the direction of the first two. But of course I'm biased because I would love to be right about catching a traitor Wilson on D2. So I would like to hear every other player's thoughts on this. I will have to do some analyzing of Ripple on my own before I weigh in on anything you've said beyond that, however. It is indeed. Difficult to be patient in a game with time limits and a potential Loyal Forger's life on the line, however. EDITED OUT GRAMMAR AND SPELLING ERRORS
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    @Stink; I don't think it should be run at all. I don't deserve a fan club. Also, I'm not fond of irrelevant conversations like this. Wilson, I'm demanding a response. Everyone else, please participate in this discussion. I'm sure a lot more people have interacted with both Stink and Wilson and might have some evidence of their own to affect the rest of us' view on those two.
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    That's what I thought. A tactic that would only help a loyalist. Granted, it could have been your plan to reveal this as a defense for being good to begin with and you really are just toying with me, but that's super conditional - enough that I doubt you would do it as a traitor. Just another reason for me to believe Wilson is the one whose evil between the two of you, but I still haven't ruled out Kipper. Waiting on a specific word from a Kandra *cough cough* so I can know if he scanned evil or not.
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    You don't have to share, but what did you learn? Also, Wilson, I know you've been on the thread since I called you out. Can you please respond?
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    All banter aside, I disagree with two points made by Creccio. Emphasis mine. We have plenty to discuss even without the threat of death. That really only applies to the first day when there is no info to work with. One or more of the above DON'T HAVE to be traitors. The fact that Mail revealed to anyone at all means he could have revealed to someone else who decided to keep this information to themselves so that they wouldn't be implicated after his death. Mail didn't even have to admit it, for in retrospect I myself could have figured it out from a hint he dropped in our PM. Same could be true for anyone else he was talking with. Also, we already know Wilson told two players, whose to say she didn't tell anyone else? I don't think she told anyone beyond them (except the traitor doc, if I'm right), but the possibility still exists for all of us. @Stink, why didn't you tell everyone you told me Mail's role?
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    I am against role claiming, especially in public. Of course I want people to role claim to me via PM because I'm the only player I know with 100% certainty is good and it allows me to use that knowledge to find the traitors, but generally it is a very poor idea.
  23. Amanuensis
    I still have to comb through everything that has occurred in my absence in order to compose one of my usual posts but, before I do I want to add a few things relevant to the conversation at hand and in response to Kaid and Kasimir's question regarding one of the comments I made prior to the last turn's end. First, unfortunately I cannot reveal the "method to my madness" because the traitors decided to kill Mail instead of me. If it was my death in the write-up rather than his you would all understand what I was referring to. Second, Stink approached me about whether or not I wanted to be a Kandra. Of course my immediate reaction was "are you trying to tell me you're a Forger?" He denied he was but said he knew one. I read it as yes I am but I don't want to commit myself to that answer in case you are evil. Given that the person I asked for you to have forged has not yet posted the code word I gave him if it succeeded, then I am going to go ahead and assume it failed until he informs me otherwise. This could mean several different things; A: Stink lied about being / knowing a Forger just to get information out of people or B: Stink lied to me about who he was going to have Forged or C: His forge failed and another's succeeded, meaning the Kandra could now be in the traitors hands if he is innocent. Third, Stink also sent me a PM being excited about having finally obtained the identity of a Hemalurgist. I bribed the information out of him by telling him another player's role - or at least, what they had been hinting at without ever admitting it. For the record I didn't believe that it was even true and strongly suspect that player to be a traitor, anyway. With that being said, Stink - I would appreciate it if you continued to keep this information a secret, as I still have plans in the works to catch whether or not they were being honest / if they are in fact evil. In other words, I also was aware of the fact that Mail claimed Hemalurgist, so everyone should consider me on their list of who it was that ordered his death. The fact that Stink didn't say this himself makes me lean in the direction of him being framed by whoever told him this information. Unless he's playing a long con on me with hopes that I would come to his defense, I see no other motive for why to cast suspicion onto another player (whose already been on the hot seat, in my case) which might swing the vote away from him. If I'm not mistaken, it was Wilson who told Stink Mail's role. Why would any loyalist in their right mind tell a player that they suspect to be a traitor the identity of a Hemalurgist, of all the roles? If it turns out they are evil and that person then dies, sure you can then be certain that he's evil, but in the end the traitors are one step closer to having the HI on their side. It would have been infinitely more wise a choice to inform him that a player that you strongly believe to be roleless is a Hemalurgist. I cannot fathom why Wilson of all players would not have done this instead. She's smart enough to reason how terrible an idea that is and would never have done it unless she was a traitor herself and planned to get another innocent lynched. That makes much more sense to me, considering the level of deceit and manipulation that it requires, which matches Wilson's traits significantly better than a horrible mistake. With two loyalists now dead that means we have 16 full cycles until the traitors can simply overpower us - assuming that the only reason anyone dies is from their kill (we don't lynch anybody and no Mistborns make a kill). If we decide to lynch Stink today and he turns out to be good, than that number will drop to 14 at the start of the next cycle. I ask that all players remove their votes and the Kandra scans Stink tonight to confirm. I have said this before and I will say it again, just because we have the power to kill someone doesn't mean we should. If I didn't have the above reasons to trust Stink and doubt Wilson I would support his death, but unfortunately in this situation there are way too many possibilities that I am not willing to condemn another player to death. EDIT: Ninja'd by Bort and beyond. What Creccio told me was the same thing that Stink said.
  24. Amanuensis
    Can you elaborate on what you mean by he acted very suspicious? EDIT: Also, unless I missed something, that write-up doesn't clarify if it was a traitor or a Mistborn who attacked him. Is this intentional, Wyrm?
  25. Amanuensis
    I'll have to review all of my PMs again, but off the top of my head I know one player who told me Mail claimed to them and another player who told me they found a Hemalurgist.
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