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    Sorry about that, Alv. I actually didn't even work on one this cycle because I've been trying to figure out a way to make them work without the links breaking. What I'm thinking about doing is not starting to work on the summaries until the cycle after, that way people can continue to navigate the game with ease after these threads are merged with the original and while I'm looking back at every post knowing what I do from the cycle's result, I might be able to find more information. I'm not entirely sure how to react to that. My gut tells me you're a Diagrammist just trying to claim a role we've already discussed is vital to the village in order to keep us from killing you. If you're not lying then you basically just begged the Diagrammists to come after you. I was hoping more people would give their opinions on a public Scholar reveal but few people have posted their thoughts and now it's too late. This is two cycles in a row now someone brings up a specific role revealing and someone goes ahead without actually confirming if that's what's best... I'm going to have to look back at your posts assuming you're a Scholar to make sure it matches up.
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    (5) Paranoid: Adavantos (1), Kynedath (1), Aonar (1), Deathclutch (1), Twei (1), (4) Hellscythe: Mailliw (1), Zas (1), Clanky (2), phattmer (1), (3) Venture: Kipper (1), Paranoid (1), Araris (1), (2) Starry: Hellscythe (1), Bort (1), (1) Bort: Starry (1), (1) Mailliw: Ripple (1), As it stands, this is the current vote tally, counting only player's original red posts. Personally I am more suspicious of PK than Hellscythe, but I am very concerned at this point that I instigated a lynch on the wrong player and now a Diagrammist or two is coming along for the ride. That being said, him and Hellscythe are both on the top of my maybe evil list, and I would not be opposed to a Cook or two going after Hellscythe "again" tonight, as that means we could get both of their alignments revealed simultaneously and have a lot more info to work with.
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    While you bring up a valid point, Hellscythe, I was more concerned with getting the information out in the first place. If we can't do that then the Elsecallers don't even matter. Anyway, what Elbereth just said covers that just fine. There's really no other way to defend against that until we kill the Diagrammist Elsecaller, if there is one.
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    This is another really important subject we need to discuss. In my mind, the only role I care about protecting is the Scholars. PMs are nice, but are the critical to win the game? No. If we don't find a way to communicate to everyone the roles and alignments of the deceased then we learn nearly nothing from deaths. The Diagrammists would inevitably win because unlike us they know who they need to kill to win, allowing them to control the thread. For that reason, do I think it wise that a Scholar claim in public? No. It's best if they all were to have PMs with someone but in a game where they're limited this much that isn't so simple. The issue is, if my theory about them having a cook is right and all the Scholars reveal / get their own single order of protection, then all they have to do is double tap them to remove our greatest asset. Therefore it's probably best to keep their identities behind closed doors. That being said, there's also a good chance of a Scholar being killed by a Cook or random evil kill if they don't seek protection. The only way things would really work out is if a Surgeon Captain were to PM a Scholar Regular (or vice versa) and trust each other enough to claim, and even that is a severe risk because then the Daigrammists would just attack the intermediary, meaning they'd need protection too. Personally I would only claim as a Scholar if I honestly believed my life was in danger (which I always do because I know that at some point in time the Diagrammists are going to want me dead). TLDR; circumstances dictate, but we need to find a solution to this problem and fast. I think that if a single Scholar claimed publicly and another were in communication with someone via PM it would work out; we could basically use them to confirm one another. I.E. the one in the PM tells their intermediary the result, the intermediary announces in thread they know the result, the publicly claimed one announces their result, the intermediary confirms they are the same, and then we have a single Scholar that we can guarantee protection for while still protecting the intermediary and at least one other essential player. EDITED TO FIX SOME ERRORS AND FILL GAPS IN MY LOGIC
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    I agree that this many votes piling on you is suspicious, assuming you're not actually a Digrammist. And while I can understand some of the logic in your defense, overall it has not convinced me that I'm wrong about you. Maybe not all of my points are accurate, but I still can't help but feel that you're evil. That being said, consider this sentence right here a formal request that all players weigh in on what they think of PK. The more people who discuss him the better. First, I can understand you wanting to live, but look at it this way. It's very likely there are only 2 Surgeons and 2 Edgedancers in this game; a total of four protections. Based on the Diagrammist's attempt last night it's clear that they want to get rid of the Runners. Thus it's obvious that, for now, Stink and Venture need protecting. Right now I am convinced that the Diagrammists have a cook, and of the four I believe that theirs is the one that attacked Mail. If I'm right about this then clearly they wanted him to be attacked in a way that wouldn't implicate them in case he was protected, so either they were trying to feed into the fact that some people find him suspicious for his False Thaidakar Claim or they had some other alterior motives. For that reason I think it's worthwhile that he continue to be protected. That leaves one available protect left, and assuming that none of these four are a Diagrammist, do you really think they would choose a suspicious "Explorer" over players that are more likely targets for the elimiantors? Assuming you're not lying about not being an Elsecaller, your role is one that ultimately benefits yourself alone. Logically it makes far more sense for the last protector to save someone else who could potentially be a Scholar or a Radiant. Also, after thinking it through I'm leaning towards it not being a WGG. I think that unless anyone else has more to weigh in on that matter specifically we need to move the discussion along onto a more pressing topic; I.E. Is one of the Cooks a Diagrammist, and if so, which one? Below you will see my initial thoughts on each one and what their possible motives would be. As always, I ask that every player add their own thoughts to this situation as by talking about it we can observe more perspectives as a whole and perhaps find some evidence of a Diagrammist.
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    @Kipper, I think I understand how you felt during the Shallan Debacle, now...
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    Now the question is, if one of the Cooks are evil, which one would it be? The one who attacked Mail, Arraenae, "Hellscythe", or no one / not confirmed? I can think of a reason or two for each. Mail: Several players expressed that no one target Mail this cycle because he was killed N1 in the last two games. If the Diagrammists were to use their Cook to kill him it could make us really begin to question some player's intents, especially if they ever end up claiming that role. Majority agrees that was cruel, and honestly if this Cook is the Diagrammist one then I would bet that they were either A: one of the players who agreed tha Mail should be left alone C1 or B: one of the players who reacted to it specifically, likely in a more exagerated way. Arraenae: I'll have to look over her posts to see if she ended up pushing any people's buttons, but the first thought that comes to mind is that someone felt salty about Arraenae Mistborning them to death in LG15 and decided to enact revenge. "Hellscythe": Already offerred my scenarious about this earlier. It's possible the person isn't a Cook but just on Hellscythe's team and thought this would be a good opportunity to soft clear him. Looking at his response to his role being discovered it seems to me that Hellscythe had his reveal premeditated. It's true that he could be an Explorer; but even then, it doesn't rule him out as being a Diagrammist. Considering how many kill roles are in this game I wouldn't be surprised if the Diagrammists got multiple protective roles, especially if they turn out not to have a Cook of their own. No one: While I personally believe that Diagrammists would benefit more from killing players off from the start instead of waiting in order to commit the long con, it's possible that they decided to sit the first Cycle out in case a situation arose where they could claim they were the Cook who killed no one and become soft cleared for it.
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    The more I think about it, the more certain I am that the Diagrammists do have a cook. Look at it this way. Village has majority, right? So it is safe to say that the Lynch is a kill for their team. Add that to 4 village Cooks and you got 5 village kills vs 1 eliminator kill. I don't know about you but that's pretty unbalanced if you ask me. Even if the Diagrammists have an Ardent or Lightweaver, that still isn't enough to make up for such a disadvantage, as all the village has to do is gap the votes enough to ensure no shenanigans take place. I think we'd be a lot better off if we didn't assume all Cooks were good. Guaranteed good roles are something that Wilson in particular opposes due to past experiences involving players using that to break the game.
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    So the first person you just happen to PM is a Cook and claimed to you? Is it just me, or does that seem incredibly suspicious? In order for that circumstance to play out so much has to go right. I'm either more inclined to believe that they're an eliminator pulling wool over your eyes or a new player that you started a PM with simply for being your superior, not knowing the dangers of role claiming. Given that you didn't say their name, I take it they asked you to keep their identity private but pass on what they learned? Assuming there's four cooks? Does that mean you were not informed that someone tried killing you last night? I guess that makes sense given the nature of the Explorer / Transportation abilities. That being said, I think it is very likely then that there are 4 cooks. Otherwise the claimed Cook would have to be incredibly lucky to guess that you were unkillable last night. Then again, this could be another form of a WGG where your mate claims you're invincible when you're really not. Also, you claiming Explorer now doesn't help the case. Good or evil it would benefit an Elsecaller to feign being an Explorer, in order to prevent them from being focused over another candidate. I agree that the Cook's assumption is a big leap to take. However I guess I can see why they might think that. With all the shenanigans that went on with Hellscythe last cycle, I wouldn't be surprised if this was another situation like the one where Wilson pulled attention off of BB who had a critical role but acted rashly before they could discuss it in doc. I'll have to deliberate more on this situation, but whether it's Hellscythe, Stink, the Cook or some combination of the three I think there is something going on. And of the three, Hellscythe's death would do much less damage to us and give us the most information, as revealing his alignment could implicate a lot of players given how many people were involved with discussion with him on Cycle 1.
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    Adavantos, on 15 December 2015 - 05:23 PM PK, you never answered me calling you out, which honestly makes me more suspicious. Note on D1 of LG15 where I called Burnt Spaghetti out in thread among a few other players and that she was the only one that did not answer until I brought it up again but more aggresively; and that she turned out to be evil. I can't help but feel the real reason she (and you) ignored it the first time was because you didn't want to risk incriminating yourself more without getting some advice from your teammates first. So, for your benefit and everyone else's, I'm going to go ahead and quote all your posts so far and present what about them makes me suspicious of you. Paranoid King, on 14 December 2015 - 04:07 While I do agree that "spreading the joy" is necessary to prevent tunneling and instigate discussion,in retrospect I am getting the impression that you were trying to divert attention away from one of, if not both, of those players. By not specifically defending them while encouraging people to start looking elsewhere, you can potentially draw player's eyes off of them without directly implicating a connection to either one. Both players are considerably suspicious; Stink for his reveal and the fact that instead of pulling a vote from Sart to kill a known Runner an Ardent/Lightweaver decided to kill a completely unknown, and Hellscythe for his behavior throughout the course of this game thus far. Also, the tone in which you accuse Feligon makes me feel like you know more than you should. Why did you choose him of all players? I do votes like that all the time, but never without an explanation (I.E. Feligon, I see you viewing the thread but not posting. Are you lurking cause you're a Diagrammist trying to not get involved? If not, what are your thoughts?). Paranoid King, on 15 December 2015 - 05:11 PM This is the post that really tipped me off about you in the first place. Your explanation for why Stink is probably good is absolutely terrible, in my honest opinion. The only time he's ever been an eliminator is the short-lived LG15a, therefore we have no evidence to suggest how he would behave if he were evil. Once again this makes me think you're trying to protect him in an indirect way. Right now I have a theory that if you are evil, either Stink or Hellscythe definitely is. little wilson, on 15 December 2015 - 07:08 PM The official vote tally; note that a vote was removed from Stink in order to kill Sart. Though we clearly have a couple trigger happy Cooks out there, I personally get the feeling that this particular Ardent or Lightweaver belongs to the Diagrammists. In a game like this a manipulator of votes is great for the eliminators. It's a balanced way for the GMs to give them an additional kill without specifically giving them a kill role. And the Ardent/LW going for Sart over Stink matches up with them attacking Venture. Either it's because Stink is on his side (I'm more inclined to believe that they're trying to implicate him so that we take our protection off him him / lynch him ourselves) or that in both cases they thought he would be protected. While they could have used both on him in order to double tap, they may have realized the odds of multiple players protecting him being relatively high barring better candidates and that it'd be better for them to go after two players who they believed would not be protected (or in Venture's case, for a WGG?). Plus if they did do that it would just about guarantee that they have an Ardent or a LW as a move like that is far too coincidental. Paranoid King, on 16 December 2015 - 03:20 AM So you'll respond to this post of mine but not the other directly relevant to you? While it's possible you didn't remember the rules quite as well as some, I think that if you are indeed a Diagrammist this is an attempt at causing confusion. Even if you really believed this it could still be a way for you to challenge my logic; after all, if you emphasize that I was wrong about a detail like this, then that could cast doubt into other's minds that I'm wrong about other things, too. Paranoid King, on 16 December 2015 - 05:34 AM Let's go ahead and assume that you are a Diagrammist and the attempt on Venture's life was not a WGG. The way I look at it you could be piggy backing off of my theory in an attempt to swing a lynch Venture's way in order to make up for your team's wasted kill. I'm curious how you came to that percentage, in particular. In LG15 we had a PM where you showed me the math in how you determined the percent chance of me being good, and it was relatively accurate. Can I see your math for this as well? Because otherwise it seems like you're just trying to commit enough of yourself into getting him lynched but not so much that if he dies and is revealed good than you can't just blame it on the remaining 30%. All this said, I am less convinced of the Venture WGG, more convinced of either Stink or Hellscythe's guilt, and relatively certain that PK is the Diagrammist Ardent/Lightweaver - or at least is on a team with one. So PK, do you have a defense to all this?
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    I'm finally about to go to sleep but before I do, considering this new development with PMs, I am one again requesting that my Faction Leader consider me for their one PM. Thank you, that is all.
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    Fair point. And before anyone asks, my previous post wasn't me trying to say that it absolutely has to be a WGG; I just don't think it should be overlooked, and that every possible scenario be explored. Call me the King of Paranoia if you wish, but the fact that on the first cycle two different players got attacked and both just happened to be saved tells me something is fishy, and I find a Diagrammist attack more suspicious than a Cook's because the former can easily be coordinated while the latter requires a lot of what if scenarios falling perfectly in place.
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    Honestly, Mail, I'm more inclined to agree with Kipper on this one. Venture literally came in, dropped a single post with nothing but his role and rank, then disappeared. Quite a few people questioned him about it and yet he never responded. Not only that but he was the second person to claim Runner that day, and the other one was significantly more active. First, why would the Diagrammists not go after Stink? Second, why would the Surgeon not protect Stink? Both the side of good and the side of evil had more reason to target Stink rather than Venture, and yet neither did? That seems incredibly coincidental to me. Runner or not, Venture is a habitual inactive. Even in games like MR8 where he was a Coinshot he barely posted let alone used his ability, even when people were basically begging him to attack a few players they had good reason to believe were Skaa. Strategically this entire situation just makes no sense. And before someone says there was a WGG last game , that doesn't mean it's less likely in this game. Because so many people think that as soon as a WGG occurs that it rules it out for the next few games, I would do it just to teach them not to make assumptions like that. Hell, I would literally do it every game until people started expecting it and then stop so that next time another situation comes up that seems like it could be a WGG but isn't they would lynch the survivor while we target others. That's my two cents on the matter. Still trying to work through analyzing the rest of what occurred. I'm a bit upset that Arraenae was taken out so early. We had a good rapport last game and had hoped we could establish it again this game, and she was one of the lucky few who I was beginning to trust based on their participation last cycle. As for Mail, I can't say I'm not surprised he was attacked, but I do think that was really cruel. Considering that both of the players who were poisoned were Sons of Honor, I'm guessing that means the Ghostbloods have two cooks, which means the Sons of Honor should too. I can understand poisoning Mail, but Arraenae's case it seems like an attack for her allegiance alone. Nice to know the kill roles on the side of the Sons of Honor are more cautious when it comes to taking lives. Also, unless we have a kill hungry Ardent on our hands too, it seems the Diagrammists began with one of them. I do find it odd that they chose to kill Sart over Stink, which could mean a plethora of things worth exploring, not limited to them trying to implicate me by killing the player who voted for my death. Since I typically end up a priority target for Eliminators and Protectors, I would not be surprised if this was part of a ploy to make me look bad and turn everyone against me before I can gain too much trust. Could also mean Stink is a Diagrammist too, which is an alternate explanation for why they went after Venture instead, but those combined just seem too obvious. It's more likely that they are trying to implicate him in a similar way that I just described for me.
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    Good game everyone! I'm glad you all figured it out! Kudos especially to phattmer who figured out that Burnt and Elkanah were traitors several cycles ago. Also very proud of Lopen for roping everyone together after my untimely demise.
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    The difference is he has intent to kill by breaking a tie. Also the reason my posts aren't justified is because I'm on mobile enroute to a date.
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    That logic is unfathomable, Kipper. When I voted for Sart I said in my post I am only voting for Sart to prevent Stink from accidentally being killed because two players took their votes off of him but did not retract in their original posts and that as soon as one of them did fix it I would retract mine. That is the very opposite of kill hungry. I'm trying to save a player from being executed unfairly.
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    I only voted for Sart to keep Stink from dying. A few of us have voted for him but he has not come on to defend himself yet. Since I personally would rather see a tie than a baseless lynch, I am retracting my vote from him. Instead, Paranoid King; why do you think Sart is worth lynching? Just because Stink may be good doesn't mean Sart is evil. If you're going to vote for a player, can you please give a real reason as to why they might be a Diagrammist? Otherwise your vote just seems kill hungry.
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    @Creccio: 29/36 = Y/N? Where Y = H and N = B. EDIT: Disregard. I just went over the entire thread and composed a vote tally only including player's first votes in red. As it stands, Stink is in the lead with 3, so because I honestly don't believe he is evil and would rather not lose one of our runners I am going to put my vote on Sart as well. I do not want to have another incident where a player who wasn't meant to die does so I would rather instigate a tie at this point. If either Hellscythe or Twelfth fix their original post voting for him then I will retract to ensure we don't lose a player for no reason. (3) Stink: Hellscythe, Orlok, Twelfth, (3) Sart: Kipper, Mailliw, Adavantos, (2) Adavantos: Sart, DeathClutch, (2) Creccio: Clanky, Stink, (1) Hellscythe: phattmer, (1) Orlok: Arraenae, (1) Feligon: Paranoid, (1) Venture: Seonid, (1) Mailliw: Araris,
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    Perhaps they spent the cycle carrying around a selfiestick? Don't bother, I figured it out. Here's a vote tally (if someone doesn't mind, please double check for accuracy - there's a lot to keep up with this game): Without Strikes, Descending Order (2) Adavantos: Sart (1), DeathClutch (1), (2) Sart: Kipper (1), Mailliw (3), (2) Creccio: Clanky (2), Arraenae (4) (1) Stink: Orlok (1) (1) Mailliw: Araris (1), (1) Hellscythe: phattmer (1), (1) Feligon: Paranoid King (1), (1) Venture: Seonid (1), (1) Starry: Hellscythe (3), With Strikes, Chronological Order (0) Paranoid King: Clanky (1), (0) Clanky: Arraenae (1), (1) Stink: Orlok (1) (1) Hellscythe: Elbereth (1), phattmer (1), Mailliw (1), Tony (1), (0) Orlok: Arraenae (1), (2) Adavantos: Sart (1), DeathClutch (1), (2) Sart: Kipper (1), Mailliw (3), (1) Feligon: Paranoid King (1), (1) Mailliw: Adavantos (1), Araris (1), (1) Venture: Seonid (1), Mailliw (2), (0) Kynedath: Arraenae (3), (2) Creccio: Clanky (2), Stink (1), Hellscythe (2), Arraenae (4), (1) Starry: Hellscythe (3), Still trying to catch up with everything.
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    Thank for explaining yourself, Mailliw. I still find you placing a third vote on Hellscythe and later retracting it without reasoning as suspect but I'll let it go in favor of the assumption that you were simply reacting to protect a faction-mate, which coincides with your attempt to get the leader of the Ghostbloods to reveal himself. Also, I was not trying to imply that my faction leader is a Runner or a Bondsmith; just that I am requesting he contact me if he comes in contact with one and has no qualms with revealing himself. Here, maybe this will help. C1 Post Summaries, 85 - 156 Bort: Advises caution of establishing a faction alliance, referencing the unmentionable game and its affect on one of our Co-GMs psyche. Thinks it’s best that we don’t explicitly target Diagrammists for this reason. Asks in blue text for a rule clarification regarding how much information a Commander has of his faction’s structure. Lopen: Asks the GMs for clarification on Radiant distribution; specifically, if both sides have all types except for the one without the unique Bondsmith. Also asks the thread that given the limited amount of information that can be gleaned from death (at least immediately) if that means the Diagrammists would have a small number than usual or if we’d just have a large number of Scholars to balance things out. Says he will add his suspicions and ideas for strategies later but he needs to sleep for now. GM!Kas soon answers, saying that the number of Radiants per Faction is equal but not necessarily the type of Radiants. Shallan: Apologizes for not posting yet due to finals. Says she should be active from here on out, but is wary of posting any advice referencing the Shallan Debacle of LG15. Venture: Claims to be a good guy, a Runner and a Captain. Bort: Thanks GM!Kas. Hael: Responding to Zas’ guess at Diagrammist numbers, Hael adds his perspective to the calculation. Brings up his tendency to create quick links and says that due to this game’s turn over time he will be unable to take care of it; however, anyone else is welcome to follow his example and or petition the GMs include them in the write ups (I second this!) Kynedath: Rather lengthy analysis (It always warms my heart when new players put this much effort into a post) that is better off read on your own, as me summarizing it would take far too long and likely do it no justice. Paranoid: Begins his first post with a warning that he’ll be busy the first few cycles due to finals. Responds to Clanky’s vote against him on page one, clarifying his character’s back ground. Comments on the Stink and Hellscythe bandwagons, saying that on day one it is best to make as many players sweat as possible to instigate reactions and go from there; for that reason he places a vote on Feligon, declaring him evil. Stink: Explains that he hasn’t defended himself because it takes too much effort on mobile (Note: Stink is currently on a short vacation with his family but will be returning to his desk top today). Adavantos: Reponds to the portion of Kynedath’s previous post regarding why he took so long to weigh in on the events unfolding within the thread. Gives some but keeps others a secret. Places a vote on Mailliw asking for an explanation for his behavior in this game so far. Clanky: Retracts his vote from PK. Asks Wilson to clarify the Transformation Surge of the Elsecaller role. Reponds to Wilson and Kasimir’s response to the nature of the game; in that the Sons of Honor or Ghostbloods can win without first taking out the Diagrammists who in this game are actually eliminators unlike the Discovery Faction in the game that shall not be named. Says that for this reason his primary focus is on Diagrammists, but if he finds two players suspicious he will be more likely to pursue the one who is not a part of his faction before the other. Adavantos: Suggests that both the SoH and GBs focus on finding the Diagrammists before targeting one another while keeping their faction a secret among those they know for a fact are confirmed on their team. Asks his faction leader to establish contact with him sometime in the future, if he deems him worthy of trust. Stink: Reminds the Radiants to keep their roles a secret due to the clarification on victory conditions. Adavantos: Blue text post asking the GMs to just lock the threads instead of fuse them with the original until the end so that players can utilize his navigation tool throughout the course of the game. Is answered with a no. Seonid: Comments on Stink, Hellscythe, Mail, Venture and the Scholars. Due to the length of the post it’s easier if you read it all again yourself rather than a summary. Important things to note; he expresses doubt of Stink and Venture’s role claims, suggesting that one of them may be a Diagrammist attempting to sow confusion or attract protection. Votes for Venture and dismisses Mail’s fake Thaidakar claim as Mail being Mail. Finishes off with a protest against bandwagons and emphasizes the importance of lynch discussion. Kipper: Responds to Adavantos’ summary and analysis of him, clarifying that he was not coming to my defense but attacking my attacker due to the lack of logic associated with his vote. Admits he think the post summaries are useless. Stink: Gives five reasons for role claiming to the public. Mentions “I know you knows” and explains what they are for anyone who doesn’t know. Says he doesn’t discuss WGGs and that in regards to Venture he will just wait and see, suggesting that each player should present their thoughts on players so that we can observe them from every angle and form a general opinion. Adavantos: Accepts Kipper’s answer, claiming he just wanted to call him out in case Kipper is a Diagrammist trying to drag him down with him if ever found out. Offers why he believes the post summaries he does are useful. Reponds to Stink’s five reasons for role claiming, providing support for some and counterpoints for others. Mentions his tendency to ignore Venture due to his play style. Posts a countdown timer until turnover and asks the GMs in blue text if they will include them in future write ups. Stink: Declares there are at least 7 Diagrammists but he believes there to be 8. Says he is not putting his team at risk, and that there is something for the village to learn if he is killed by the eliminators. Says he thinks Venture needs to be discussed more, but also says it is important we discuss everyone, not just him. Seonid: Asks why his character ended up on Alvron’s kill list and provides backstory for his character. Araris: Votes for Mail, explaining that the false Thaidakar claim was unsettling to him. Also responds to Adavantos about his mentioning of black text and blue text, believing that real life information does apply to the game and claiming he will always be honest when it comes to the subject. Arraenae: Responds to Kynedath’s long analysis post that called her out for voting on Orlok. Retracts her vote from Orlok in favor of Kynedath, citing the fact that he composed a long analysis post but did not vote for anyone in it, believing it to be suspicious. Kynedath: Agrees that Arraenae would be right if he were not a brand new player who fears upsetting the wrong person. Stink: Assures Kynedath that this is just an online game and that even by placing votes players still have the opportunity to defend themselves, so no enemies will be made. Jokes about how he is leading the votes currently. Arraenae: Assures Kynedath by referencing the primary element of the game; deceit. Kynedath: Complains about pressure and claims they will wait a cycle before voting. DeathClutch: Mentions finals week. Votes for Adavantos for what he deems is poor reasoning for voting for Mailliw. Expresses suspicion that there is more to my vote than I am saying. Adavantos: Counters, referencing his habit to vote for players he thinks are not talking enough or have acted in a way that does not make sense to him. Clanky: Comments on the fact that DeathClutch voted for Adavantos for voting for Mail who voted for Hellscythe for voting for Stink. Then votes for Creccio because he believes him to be more suspicious than anyone else up for the lynch. Creccio: Continues to claim cluelessness in pursuing the Diagrammists, welcomes any and all questions from the crowd, and insists he doesn’t find any one player to be lynched more suspicious of any other and thus will wait longer before casting a vote. Tony: Asks for an explanation for why Clanky thinks Creccio is suspicious. Also asks whether or not we decided that the Diagrammists are our top priority, suggesting Creccio is the most focused on that objective. Stink: RP post referencing the Flash. Adavantos: Vote tally. Elbereth: Corrects Adavantos’ tally, referring to Post Summary 67 where she retracted her vote from Hellscythe. Clanky: Answers Tony’s reason for suspecting Creccio, citing a post earlier one where he asked for advice on how to find the traitors without contributing to the discussion. Adavantos: Fixes vote tally. Stink: Says he would vote for Mail in order to ensure a tie if it looked like there was no other way to keep himself from dying. Comments on the fact that what he did was not very helpful in determining the identities of Diagrammists, but instead determining what factions players are in. Creccio: Continues to say he has no idea what to do. Asks Adavantos who he suspects and if he has any suggestions to make him useful. Tony: Agrees Creccio’s reaction looks suspicious, but doesn’t think he’s vote worthy quite yet. Confronts Stink about him saying that he would vote for Mail because he doesn’t like what he did. Stink: Clarifies that he was just saying if he had to tie the vote he would do so by voting for Mail over Adavantos. Adavantos: Posts the names of four players he would like to talk more and provides Creccio the task of gathering the names of all the players who haven’t posted yet and the time they were last active in order to begin reeling in more players for discussion. Creccio: Responds saying he has a final due in a few hours but will try his best, then rants about something off-topic. Hellscythe: Notes that Creccio’s playstyle this game is different than the last two, which could either mean he is evil or he has an important role. Afraid of killing one of his faction’s Radiants, he does not feel comfortable voting for him. That being said Creccio is around the top of his suspicions. Creccio: Repeats previous points and asks if Hellscythe has anything more to offer. Stink: Finds Hellscythe’s refusal to vote for Creccio suspicious, then votes for Creccio for him. Creccio: Asks Stink if they “can not do this” and claims he is not a Radiant and that he is a Son of Honor so that he might remove his vote. Stink: In response, says the only way this can now move forward is if Hellscythe votes for him or someone can come up with a good reason for Creccio to not get lynched. Hellscythe: Retracts vote from Stink and places one on Creccio. Stink: Retracts vote from Creccio. Adavantos: Advocates we avoid killing the same players in the beginning of every game in order to spread fairness and fun. Also says he does not mind lynching no one due to a lack of information. Comments on Creccio’s SoH claim, asking that people keep their factions a secret until we take care of the Diagrammists. Stink: Comments that letting someone live because they died early last game is not a good reason to ignore suspicions. Kynedath: Confronts Creccio about the use of the phonetic alphabet in a few of his posts. Hellscythe: Says he is voting for him because normally he has no problems putting his life on the line to analyze players but this game he seems more focused on surviving which is suspicious. Creccio: Continues to defend himself. Informs Adavantos that he could be lying about his SoH claim. Responds to Kyn, saying that it isn’t just nonsense and that someone should be able to decipher it. Alvron: Explains why he put Seonid’s character on his bounty list. Adavantos: Informs the thread that generally he likes to let the eliminators live for the for a couple cycles without knowing that he’s onto them to see if they will implicate any of their teammates. For that reason, if people are so certain of his alignment, this is another reason to not kill him quite yet. Informs Creccio that if his messages are directed at him he is ignoring them because he ignores anything people say not related to the game. Stink: Attempts to implicate Adavantos for his aforementioned strategy. Creccio: Claims that it is in fact game related. Kynedath: Finds Creccio suspicious for repeatedly using words like lost to make him seem unassuming, but believes he wouldn’t be trying to communicate with someone else in thread if he were in fact evil. Creccio: More repeating that he’s innocent. More phonetic alphabet. Stink: Comments that Creccio’s current behavior is why some players may wish to have him killed off. Creccio: Insists he is trying to do something of use and that he is not a Diagrammist. Stink: Finds the fact Creccio says he doesn’t know what to do and is trying to send a message don’t match up. Adavantos: Has a headache. Creccio: Claims he is begging for help from the player he is attempting to reach via the message and that he hopes to get an idea of what to do from him. Stink: Uses Creccio’s efforts as an example for why he believes information should be public, not veiled behind codes. Creccio: Gives up on communicating through code. Says he will reread the rules to see if anything sticks out. Also asks Stink to use his power with care. Stink: Doesn’t expect to survive until next turn. Creccio: Suggests there might be a Surgeon or Edgedancer looking out for him. Mailliw: Lengthy post answering a few pokes and prods directed at him while also responding to some of the developments he’s missed. Better that you read it for yourself. Panda: First post, expressing surprise at the number of pages. Creccio: Responds to Mail’s recent comments regarding him.
  21. Amanuensis
    Thanks for the headache gents.
  22. Amanuensis
    See, here's the thing. While it's harder to manage in this game given the fact that we have to scan our corpses and find a way to release the subsequent information, I generally prefer letting eliminators live for the first few cycles of the game, whether or not I am convinced of their alignment, because that gives them more opportunities to implicate one of their teammates. Obviously at a certain point in the game letting them live does more harm then good, but from my experience killing one D1, let alone expressing that you're onto them, is bad as well because either you have no other leads to go off after then or you give them enough warning to start casting doubt on players they know are innocent. So while I don't think killing Creccio is something I can get behind, I'll just say you do you boo boo. See above. Fair point about potentially lying. Still don't think it's a wise thing to claim regardless. Also I doubt you're trying to get me to notice something but if you are just know that unless I have reason to suspect something is a code worth deciphering in the context of the game I ignore anything off-topic.
  23. Amanuensis
    Okay so, I get the whole idea of being afraid of killing a critical role for your faction. However this is not a successful way to go about the game. If you are not willing to lynch a player because they just might be tied to your win condition then how do you expect us to get any where? Now, personally I am not against lynching nobody until we have more information for this reason given the fact that this is D1 and we have little else to go on but gut. However I just want to point out that if you honestly think a player is suspicious, don't let it slide; there is likely a good reason why you think they are evil, and unless you put pressure on them you probably won't learn anything more. That being said, I personally do not support the killing of Creccio this early, for two reasons. First, the typical one where I always advocate that we avoid having the same players die early on every game because it ends up being super unfair for them. In Creccio's case he died D2 of LG15 and early on in QF11 as well, so for that reason I would like to let him slide for five cycles at least. Barring that, I don't think an actual eliminator would behave the way he has for obvious reasons. Apart from the BB situation it is extremely rare for an eliminator to get enough attention for a lynch D1. Also note that for this same reason I am not to serious about having Mail killed, I just want to understand where he is coming from. EDIT: Ninja'd. @Creccio, I think claiming Son of Honor was a poor idea... I stick by my previous statement that it's best to keep factions a secret for the long term. While I don't think posturing among ourselves in private is a bad idea to prepare for the end, it's best that at least publicly we disregard our factions entirely in search of the Diagrammists. Once we kill them all we can focus on one another.
  24. Amanuensis
    Who do I think is suspicious as of now? Everyone, honestly. No one has done anything so far that's particularly damning, nor exonerating. I do have some theories bouncing around in my head but I need to hear from Mail before I flesh them out. Other players I would like to hear more from include Paranoid King, Orlok and Feligon. As for making yourself useful; that's something that's a bit hard to do on day one. Perhaps make a list of all the players who have not yet posted and the last time they were online? That way we can discuss potentially having one of them killed and hopefully draw them into the debate. I'd do it myself, but I'm trying to spread the workload so no one can interpret this game as another Adavantos vs Eliminators.
  25. Amanuensis
    You're right; referred back to Post Summary 67 for confirmation. Here is the fixed tally. With Strikes, Chronological Order (0) Paranoid King: Clanky (1), (0) Clanky: Arraenae (1), (3) Stink: Hellscythe (1), Orlok (1), Twei (1) (1) Hellscythe: Elbereth (1), phattmer (1), Mailliw (1), Tony (1), (0) Orlok: Arraenae (1), (2) Adavantos: Sart (1), DeathClutch (1), (1) Sart: Kipper (1), (1) Feligon: Paranoid King (1), (2) Mailliw: Adavantos (1), Araris (1), (1) Venture: Seonid (1), (1) Kynedath: Arraenae (3), (1) Creccio: Clanky (2) Without Strikes, Descending Order (3) Stink: Hellscythe (1), Orlok (1), Twei (1) (2) Mailliw: Adavantos (1), Araris (1), (2) Adavantos: Sart (1), DeathClutch (1), (1) Hellscythe: phattmer (1), (1) Sart: Kipper (1), (1) Feligon: Paranoid King (1), (1) Venture: Seonid (1), (1) Kynedath: Arraenae (3), (1) Creccio: Clanky (2)
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