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    I'm really am sorry, Ren. I couldn't risk myself dying when I had no idea if you were Jeskeri or not, and after Sart and Aonar posted what they did, and even Lopen there at the end as well, I started to believe Wilson really was right about them and that you had to be evil by association, too. I tried to help you out halfway through the turn but unfortunately you didn't respond, and once more votes began to stack on me I had no choice but to ask for help. I might as well reveal this now since the eliminators probably already know now that I claimed to Lopen, and it doesn't really matter since their only kill can occur on every third cycle. Like El I'm a Dula. In the beginning of the game I wanted to be Legionnaire'd because I expected to be targeted early on by the eliminators. I was fortunate enough to get Arrested by Magestar, but I did not want to trust him with that information immediately. On D2, Elb successfully scanned Wilson, whom I already knew was a Bodyguard, and verified she was clean. I somewhat didn't trust that El was a Dula since I was, but I had trusted Wilson well enough. I told them that Magestar was the Legionnaire that Arrested me and asked them to verify him that night. That is why he got scanned N2. Since Wilson had already been scanned by Elb and I hadn't already, she was more willing to risk her life protecting Elb than me, so the plan was for Mage to keep Arresting me until she could scan another Bodyguard. At first the plan was for her to scan Lopen, but towards the end of that turn he admitted to me that he wasn't actually a Bodyguard, but a ChayShan. This was shortly after Jaime claimed Bodyguard to me, and I brought this information to those three and we decided to have Elb scan Jaime that night. That way if Jaime turned out to be evil we could lynch her the next day, but if she didn't we could have her protect me so I could start using my scans too. Unfortunately this never happened because they somehow all died. I'm saying this openly now because things are looking pretty bad for us, and I don't want this turn to go to waste discussion wise. There are 16 of us left now. If 4 of them are Jeskeri and 1 is the lone Philosopher (SK? Elim?), that means there are 10 Citizens left, plus Survivor!Stink. If our ChayShan keep killing people as much as they have been so far and they don't hit a Jeskeri, we'll be getting dangerously close to being dominated by the eliminators. We need to practice caution, and we need to coordinate. I would like everyone to vote on who they would like me to scan in purple and why, so that we don't waste this turn not talking. I am personally debating between Aonar, Sart and Lopen right now, since Wilson, and a few other players who's guts I trust, were suspicious of them. If I had to choose one I'd probably choose Aonar at this point. This is mostly because in the PM he had with Wilson he claimed to be a Beggar who turned into a Bodyguard after Mailliw died. Given that Rae claimed Beggar very early in the game, and now that we know Ren was a Beggar, I reckon he's either a Jeskeri lying about his role or that he's telling the truth about it, but is just a Beggar-equivalent role on their team. If he is telling the truth then having another Bodyguard on the village's side after losing Wilson and Jaime will be great for us. If he's an eliminator than we'll all know for sure tomorrow and strike him down for killing so many of our friends. I'm very surprised about this too, to be honest. After three lynches and only one Duke vote each time I didn't believe there was another one in the game. This was a part of the reason why I tried to get all of the Dukes to prove themselves in the beginning, as it was more likely the eliminators would want to keep it a secret. I've heard role claims or seen evidence of every player who voted for Ren so far, so it couldn't have been any of them, which I find particularly weird because that means someone wanted to vote for Ren without making it obvious, which doesn't really seem like something a villager would do. Either the order was put in before the swing occurred, or an eliminator saw an opportunity to implicate me at the end by adding an unneeded vote. It could also belong to a player that hadn't really been active earlier on in the game, but besides Conq, who we already know is a Retired Pirate, I don't think anyone really fits that criteria, except maybe Sart.
  2. Amanuensis
    Are you serious, Lopen? Are you evil too?
  3. Amanuensis
    Turn Seven will end in 24 hours. Please stand by for your GM PMs. The Surviving Ecthelion III as IDK The Only Joe as RippleGylf TheYoungBard as The Bard OrlokTsubodai as Locke Bugsy6912 as Blanche The Defeated Eolhondras as Eol - Bulbasaur Elbereth as Elthena - Charmander zas678 as Nobody - Squirtle Straw as Straw - Bulbasaur AliasSheep as Ash - Charmander TheSilverDragon as Somebody - Bulbasaur cloudjumper as Cole - Charmander Elenion as Nonel - Arbok TheMightyLopen as Scott - Squirtle Kipper as Kipper - Charmander Sart as Footsteps - Squirtle Nyali as Nya - Kadabra jaimeleecee as Jaime - Bulbasaur Metacognition as TBD - Fearow RippleGylf as Myself - Bulbasaur Conquestor as Lorien - Charmander Emerald101 as Red - Dragonair Magestar as Tebeh Dee - Arbok Master Elodin as Bulbasaur - Squirtle Alvron as Poke Ranger Joe - Butterfree Turn Five Tally (3) Alvron: Ecthelion III, The Only Joe, OrlokTsubodai, (1) Orlok: Alvron,
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    The turn has now ended! There will be a short delay in the posting of the next write up, but I will send out the PMs immediately.
  5. Amanuensis
    Arguments? No one has argued anything for Ren, let alone against me. Literally all of the votes on me are either because what happened just has to be too convenient (when I've already explained how it would have been impossible for me to set all of that up), because Wilson was too smart to misunderstand the rules (which if she wasn't able to misunderstand the rules, how could I possible trick her?), or because there's a possibility of a redirection role (that there's no evidence of and even if it were true, how is an ability somebody else has but me indicative of my alignment at all?). I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed in everyone voting for me / arguing the possibility that I'm evil right now (especially you, Len, after me pretty much backing you up this whole game and even helping you out when it looked like you were going to be lynched on D2 by making sure no one but Mailliw died). I've been consistently on a bunch of confirmed village players trust lists since D1, which there's no way I could have pulled off if I'm an eliminator, and I've also been Arrested non-stop and therefore it's impossible for me to be A: The Serial Killer, B: The Jeskeri Practitioner or C: Imaginary Redirect Role. Seriously. How does it make any sense to lynch someone who has undeniably not done a single evil thing this entire game over a player who has mostly been lurking until the Jeskeri suddenly make their first move and most of the players capable of rallying the village against them were killed or implicated in the process?
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    Ah, okay. Sorry then, Emerald. I'll rescind my suspicion of you for lying. Can you explain what your suspicions are of me? This sounds more like you couldn't care if the lynch goes either way, which is especially dangerous given we just lost 5 very important village roles and you're considering tipping the scales on another villager who Wilson herself wanted to stay safe. That's an interesting point, and one that makes me feel more certain about Ren. In my notes, I have Kipper as very-likely non-Village. He's been doing a lot of harmful things this game for seemingly no reason (intentionally acting suspicious in PMs), as well as trolling Wilson to the point where she put a vote on him out of frustration. Ren, Sart and/or Bard being evil too could certainly explain why he was arguing so much against Mailliw's list. Now, I'm not saying the last is entirely accurate, or should be interpreted that way. For example, my role on there is wrong, and I never role claimed to Mailliw. But I really don't believe what Elodin was saying about conversions last night and Ren being put down as a conversion role in the Mailliw's list is a complete coincidence. Although I don't necessarily trust Stink, I don't believe lynching him right now is the answer. As you pointed out Sart, we just lost 5 villagers, 3 of which were protective roles, and still have no eliminators killed. Going for a Neutral right now will not help our cause. I agree with Rae's assessment of you right now. I'm getting the feeling that you're on Ren's side and this was an attempt to steer the lynch away from him. And I think Aonar just tried to pull the exact same thing. Any suggestions? Everyone, for starters! 5 hours before turnover Magestar announced in thread that I was going to be protected when he was trying to convince Elodin to attack me. At this point not a single player didn't know I had players targeting me. How hard is it to understand that the eliminators saw an opportunity to get rid of a protector and an enemy faction's kill role in one fell swoop, and that two more players acted hastily, resulting them getting caught in the crossfire? How is a mass conspiracy or the Jeskeri having the ability to redirect players more likely than what literally anyone can figure out by reading the last day of the night turn? I really do think Wilson was right about you, Aonar, and you're only convincing me more and more of Ren's guilt at this point. Sigh. Yes. It's possible. I have absolutely no proof that says I'm not a Cultist at this point in time. That being said, there is absolutely no proof that I am a Cultist. Seriously people. Elbereth, Wilson and even you, Lopen, have been saying over and over again that you believe I'm a Villager. It's because I am, and these votes on me just because I was attacked by a role that no one knew existed is absolutely ridiculous. All of these comments of me suddenly maybe being evil are playing directly into their plans. Why does no one see that? This is literally the exact same situation as LG22 at this point, where people were getting village reads on me the whole game, and when it came down to a lynch between village!me and someone who is obviously lying, I was chosen due to poor strategy and poor logic. Only problem is this time I do not have an extra life to keep me in the game. There is no safety net for this mistake this time. And after all of the casualties we just took, we really can't afford to make that mistake again. Let me get this straight. You're voting for me because "Wilson is not a dumb player." And then you go on to say that the reason for protecting me has to be that I manipulated her. Those two points directly contradict themselves. There is no feasible way I could have tricked Wilson into thinking I needed extra protection. I was Arrested. She knew I was Arrested. Everyone knew I was Arrested. Magestar, the Legionnaire, literally told the thread that I was safe. Wilson knew Magestar was the Legionnaire. Where is the disconnect here? As Ren pointed out, the Legionnaire role's rule text states any actions that target someone who is Arrested fail. There's no way I could have misled her into believing that it didn't. If I tried she would have looked herself. If you use the logic that Wilson was too smart to make a mistake, you can't ignore the logic that she was too smart to be tricked by me. What's frustrating for me especially is the fact that people are accusing me of things that are impossible for me to perform about a situation they know almost nothing about. And if you're so confident about how smart Wilson is, Emerald, why are you, and everyone for that matter, ignoring the last post she made? Hmm, let's see. Yup. Aman's first on the list of players she is confident is village. And down there where she's confident that they're eliminators... Aonar and Sart, two players that have tried to divert the lynch away from Ren. Let me ask everyone a few questions real quick. If you were a Jeskeri Cultist, or perhaps even the Practitioner themselves, how do you think you'd be feeling right before turn over? Would you not be excited to see your very first kill finally occur? Especially when Magestar unknowingly spelled out for you the perfect target for a power none of the their enemies even knew existed... don't you think the anticipation would be almost overwhelming? And then when turn over does happen and you do see all of the damage you caused, would you want to just let the villagers decide the direction of the conversation? Or would you want to immediately plant the idea in people's heads that the villager you attacked is evil, so that the feeling they get about all of those players dying is immediately associated to them? I think it's obvious at this point what I think, so I won't even bothering answering it. The only new, valid explanation I've seen brought up is the possibility of the Jeskeri having a redirection. The main problem with that is that not a single player has claimed to have been redirected. Unless it only works every third night like their kill, why has there been no evidence of it so far? And once again, why are people voting for a player that can't possibly be responsible for that because he was Arrested, and letting a player who no one knows anything about walk away free? Seriously people. My current theory right now is that Ren is a Cultist, and might even be the Practitioner himself. He was excited to see the fallout of their first attack, hence why he was one of the first players to post. Seeing all the damage they caused and having the preconceived idea of blaming the target of their attack for what happened, he posts nothing more than a vote on me accompanied with a bunch of illogical certainty's, hoping that the initial shock that comes with reading the write-up will turn to suspicion towards me. When it backfires with him receiving four votes, he immediately expresses frustration about people deciding he "just has to be an eliminator because nobody else would dare threaten such a trusted player." At this point I offer him a chance to argue why he's a villager by suggesting he prove himself as any of the known roles to someone, to which he completely ignores because he knows there's no way he can prove he isn't evil. Next, Sart, who was at the very bottom of Wilson's trust list, swoops in to try to get people to lynch Stink instead because he's claimed Neutral and somehow that's more dangerous than the Jeskeri. When that fails, Aonar comes in to revive the lynch on me and tries to make people think that it's way too convenient to be coincidental and even plants the idea of there being a redirection role, which is also unverifiable because no one has seen any evidence of one existing. I mean, just because it can't be proven doesn't meant it's impossible, right? Whatever it takes to get Ren out of the lynch. TL;DR Wilson thought Aonar and Sart were evil (as seen in her very last post before dying). Both of those players have tried to wrestle the lynch away from Ren. Ren himself has given us no alibi to work with, and therefore very well could be the one responsible for killing all of those players, if his first post is any indicator. Conclusion: all three are evil and are desperately trying to get me, or anyone else, killed, probably because of how much trust I've had in this game so far.
  7. Amanuensis
    Turn Six will end in 24 hours. Please stand by for your GM PMs. The Surviving Master Elodin as Bulbasaur Ecthelion III as IDK The Only Joe as RippleGyl Alvron as Poke Ranger Joe TheYoungBard as The Bard OrlokTsubodai as Locke Bugsy6912 as Blanche The Defeated Eolhondras as Eol - Bulbasaur Elbereth as Elthena - Charmander zas678 as Nobody - Squirtle Straw as Straw - Bulbasaur AliasSheep as Ash - Charmander TheSilverDragon as Somebody - Bulbasaur cloudjumper as Cole - Charmander Elenion as Nonel - Arbok TheMightyLopen as Scott - Squirtle Kipper as Kipper - Charmander Sart as Footsteps - Squirtle Nyali as Nya - Kadabra jaimeleecee as Jaime - Bulbasaur Metacognition as TBD - Fearow RippleGylf as Myself - Bulbasaur Conquestor as Lorien - Charmander Emerald101 as Red - Dragonair Magestar as Tebeh Dee - Arbok Turn Five Tally (3) Alvron: Ecthelion III, Magestar, The Only Joe, (1) RippleGylf: Alvron
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    I don't think that's the exact issue here, Ren. I definitely didn't take anything you said threateningly. I can understand why things might look the way you presented them from the write up alone, but the evidence just isn't there. All I'm trying to do is argue my case because I know for a fact that's not what happened, and the main reason I'm even suspicious of you at all was your immediate certainty and that you seem so intent on blaming me for what happened. Maybe you're just a villager who made his suspicions immediately known in public without knowing all the details. Lopen even said he thought the same thing when he read it, but just confined those thoughts to his PMs. Do you have something to present that could help support the belief that you're not an eliminator? I'm not asking you to role claim in public or anything like that, but if you're a citizen you've got to be one of 9 roles, and they're all pretty easy to verify. Legionnaire: Did you Arrest someone last night? If so, can they vouch for you? ChayShan Practioner: Who have you attacked? If you've attacked no one yet, will you attack someone tonight? Retired Pirate: You're in no danger of dying if this is the case. Bodyguard: Who have you protected so far? Can you protect someone specific tonight so a ChayShan can attack them to prove it? Merchant: We can set up a vote for you to cancel to prove this easily enough. Duke: All you have to do is add your vote to another player that we decide on. Dula: Who have you scanned so far? Noble: Same thing as Duke, really. Beggar: What role have you taken, if you have taken one already? Can you prove that now? If you're one of these 9 and you truly are a citizen, there should be someone you trust enough to claim it to if you don't want to do it publicly. If you're not any of these 9 and can't prove it... well, then chances are you're Neutral-Evil or Jeskeri. I think the main problem for me is that I have an alibi when you don't. I was Arrested last night, so I'm guaranteed not to be the Jeskeri Practitioner or the Philosopher at least. Whereas you... do you have any solid proof or anyone who can vouch for you? @STINK (4) Renegade: Amanuensis, Elenion, Arraenae, Conquestor, (1) Amanuensis: Renegade,
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    That was his idea, actually, and one he was rather proud of. He knew I was safe and that he would receive the alert if I was attacked. He thought instead of getting a potential villager killed, it would be safer to just have Elodin prove he was working with us that way rather than risk someone's life. Now I'd like to point out something of my own: Mailliw's mass info drop. Emphasis mine. This is just a theory, but I'm starting to wonder if Mailliw's claim of you being a Conversion role was just a coincidence. I think you approached him and claimed you were a conversion role to mislead us, and then after he died you later convinced Elodin to reveal all of that stuff last night to confuse us more. Maybe you pawned it off as a qualifier to get converted onto his team (if he did as you asked, you'd bring him to your side, which likely would give him some benefit that he would deem worth the risk). That's the only thing I can think of that would cause him to behave as he did, other than him just becoming a complete troll.
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    Do you know around what time that was? I told her at exactly 1935 CST (about two and a half hours before turnover) that the Legionnaire decided for sure that he was going to be Arresting me, so that she'd be best off using her protection on herself or Elbereth if she felt like she'd be safe. If it was before then she might have been referring to her first message where she told me she could prove it by protecting me, but I said that wouldn't be necessary as long as the Legionnaire arrests me like we planned. I did tell her to hold on a bit because I was discussing things with the Legionnaire, when really I went on to discuss the possibility of Jaime being evil with Wilson / Elb / Mage (Wilson in particular understood my distrust of her since she knew she was a Bodyguard). Ultimately we decided it'd be better to just keep with the original plan of Magestar Arresting me and tell her to protect herself or Elbereth since there was a good chance she'd be attacked given the Philosopher's MO so far. Some of this convo also bled over into the PM with Orlok, so he can confirm I'm not lying about that, too. Like I said, the only explanation is that she saw Mage asking for me to be attacked by Elodin and decided it was better for her to be safe and protect me than risk me dying. When Jaime claimed to me we didn't really talk much about it. At first we talked about the possibility of Emerald and Araris being evil together and then the tag Joe put about things being a coincidence and also Rae after I mentioned some of the odd things she's done in the thread. She was already afraid of looking bad because she band wagoned on the Araris vote and didn't want to do that again with Rae. Actually, in this exact same PM (marked 1815 CST) she said she mentioned her suspicion of Rae in your PM, Lopen, and that you still hadn't answered her when she asked where your opinion of her being evil was. That was literally the last PM she sent me before the turn ended (I don't think she got on again after that).
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    I never made a plan with Jaime to confirm her role. She offered to protect me to prove it and I told her that I wouldn't need it since I was going to be Arrested again. My last message to her was me recommending she protect herself or Elbereth (I just went back to read my PM with her and apparently I told her Elbereth and not Wilson. The reason was because in the PM with Wilson, Orlok and I, we talked about how the Philosopher was going after quiet players and that it would make her a more likely target than Wilson, so by having Jaime use her protection on Elbereth it would leave Wilson to protect herself). If I had more time to come up with a plan, it'd be to ask you to attack an inactive player like Conq while she protects him, so you two could confirm the kill failed. Though that was under the assumption that saves wouldn't appear in the write up, which we now know isn't true, which also shows I was right in calling Emerald out the other day.
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    I get that. Especially after her posting about being disappointed that other players hadn't read the rules more thoroughly in regards to win conditions. But given that she openly said in thread that a Dula scanned both Magestar and her, and that I was also aware of the Dula's identity, there's just no way I could have convinced her to protect me, especially since the whole game I've been counseling her to protect herself over anyone else. The explanation I provided is the only other answer I can see that makes sense. I'm especially upset right now because the Philosopher killed Elb, the only player who could confirm I'm telling the whole truth right now, which makes me think that they've somehow established contact with the Jeskeri and are working together (assuming that they're Neutral Evil rather than an Eliminator). The fact of the matter is, I was Arrested. It's obvious I've been Arrested this entire game, which means it's been impossible for me to put in any kind of action. At the very least that exonerates me of being the Jeskeri Practioner or the Philosopher themselves. I guess there's no proof that I can't be a member of their team with a less important role, but there's not any evidence to suggest that. Unlike you, who guns for me as soon as this turn ends and who could very well be either of those. I cannot explain why the two Bodyguards targeted me. I told Jaime I didn't need it and Wilson should have known better. Human error is the only explanation I can see at this point in time. It's not even the fact that you're bringing this up that makes me suspicious of you, anyway. It was your immediate reaction. Your certainty, and the logical fallacy of it. Just because I was attacked and a lot of people died doesn't mean that I was the cause. Given almost every player's read of me as village this entire game, it should be pretty obvious that's why the Jeskeri chose me as their first target. Either I'd be protected and they'd kill whoever was protecting me to keep them from protecting me any longer, or I would be lying about being protected and they'd just kill me then. If that wasn't their plan from the start of their turn, it makes even more sense after what Elodin did. And I'm pretty sure you were one of many players post before the turn ends. You made a very small post saying that you disagreed with an alliance (an understandable thing to propose when you're actually an eliminator and Elodin was claiming Neutral-Evil and that he was willing to team up with the village to kill the eliminators), and then much later, all you really posted about was a speculation on all the kills that occurred, that we shouldn't trust players just because they were attacked (funny how you say that right before I'm attacked), and that you're afraid of a well-protected trust group forming (pretty much impossible now with the Dula and three protections dead). You definitely had time to plot and change orders given everything that happened in the second half of the last turn.
  13. Amanuensis
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    When did I say Wilson wouldn't believe Magestar was protecting me? I'm pretty sure I just said the exact opposite in that last post. "So this is where your theory falls apart mostly, Ren. Wilson knew straight from the source that I would be Arrested again. She even supported it. She didn't want me to be exposed, but also didn't want to risk dying to protect me herself." Elb scanned Wilson and Mage. At the very least you can expect them to know exactly what the other is doing. How could I have possibly tricked Wilson into thinking that Mage wasn't actually Arresting me? Especially with me obviously not posting during the turn, despite viewing the thread several times and even posting in my own QF? She knew I was Arrested before the night began. I already told her that if I was ever not Arrested when I was supposed to be, I would post in the thread, therefore there would be no need to send her a code. I had no idea there was a Werewolf role in this game, and even if I did, how does that explain how I got her to protect me despite being Arrested? The only explanation is she thought the Eliminators would attack me in addition to Elodin and that the Legionnaire would only block one kill, just like how the Bodyguard works. It was likely a snap decision she made at the end under the assumption that the two protections worked the same, and I reckon that's exactly what happened with Jaime, too. I might have a reputation for being manipulative but even I'm not capable of deceiving Wilson like that, let alone could I have convinced a Citizen ChayShan to claim Neutral-Evil and then make Magestar pressure for them to attack me. Not only am I telling the truth, but what you're suggesting is just way too out there, man. The most obvious answer is that the actual Jeskeri believed that Elodin was Neutral-Evil and attacking me, so knowing that I was protected would guarantee them at least two useful kills - one on a protective role and one on a Neutral-Evil that proclaimed they wanted them dead. It makes a lot more sense that Wilson and Jaime just decided to put their orders in to protect me to be safe and got caught in the crossfire, rather than that I somehow set all of this up. Also I never said anything about Jaime not trusting me when I said I was actually going to be Arrested. I said I told her straight up not to protect me because I was going to be Arrested and that she should protect either Wilson or herself. Could I be lying about this? Absolutely. As far as I'm aware, Orlok is the only remaining player that knew Jaime was a Bodyguard before this turn, and he found out because Wilson and I were discussing it in front of him. In the exact same PM I said that I was going to tell her to protect someone other than me because it wasn't necessary, and that I didn't trust her enough to put my life in her hands. There are just way too many parts for anyone to be able to seriously believe I planned for this. Sometimes villagers make mistakes and eliminators get lucky. And right now you're proving another point in my favor. What you're saying right now is another reason why it would be smart of the Jeskeri to attack me despite being Arrested. With it being well-known I was being Legionnaire'd, someone could spin it like I set a trap. But that would rely on me tricking almost every villager with a protect that I'm for sure a villager. It makes a lot more sense that they expected me to be targeted more than any other player, especially with Magestar openly claiming that I had protection lined up in thread to convince Elodin to attack me, which is the nail in the coffin for why I think you're Jeskeri, Ren.
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    Disclaimer: Everything in quotations rather than a quote box are not actual quotations but me paraphrasing. I've looked this over a couple times now and sadly there's no explanation other than that I was targeted by all of those players, including the Jeskeri Practioner, and now I'm just utterly confused. Magestar and Elodin make complete sense. Magestar has been Arresting me non-stop this whole game, and Elodin was asked by Magestar to attack me. But I don't really get why Wilson or Jaime targeted me. For some background, Wilson claimed to me and another Legionnaire on D1, and the three of us formed a little (tentative) trust group. Because there were lots of claims of protective roles floating around (Wilson's, Anonymous Legionnaire, Mailliw's and Lopen's) we came to the conclusion that there were a lot of kill roles as well (as was quickly proven by the numerous ChayShan on top of the Philosopher). To verify that all three of us were trustworthy, I suggested a plan. I asked the player who claimed Legionnaire to Arrest me that night to prove he was being honest about his role (as I had heard no other claims of Legionnaire and wanted to feel certain about not dying). If he did, I would not post in thread, and Wilson could choose to Guard either the Legionnaire or herself (I didn't want her to tell us who exactly, just in case one of us was evil and would tip off their team). If he didn't, I would post in the thread (alerting both Wilson and the Eliminators that I was free game) to hopefully draw their kill and prove her protection. Wilson said she liked the plan but that she was not comfortable with protecting anyone but herself, and I did not push the subject. I said from the very beginning of the game that the best course of action for Citizen Bodyguard's is to protect themselves until the late game, and that only became a more valid suggestion when it turned out Wilson was one, given her tendency to die early. Anyway, D2 roles around and she's contacted by the Dula, Elbereth. Earlier that turn, Elbereth PM'd me telling me that of all the players, she trusted me the most to be village. The previous turn, I had started a PM with all of the Venture's from LG23 (Elb, Rae, Jaime, Bard, Sart and Lopen) and in it someone brought up all of us claiming immediately like we did this game, and Elb jokingly claimed Dula and that she totally wasn't an eliminator planning on just faking scans. My immediate first reaction was that it wasn't a joke, so when she PM'd me that next turn I was like "Oh awesome, so you weren't lying when you said you were a Dula in the Venture PM," and accompanied it with a list of people I think she could scan next and why. She immediately pointed out that she couldn't have scanned me if I was really Arrested like I said I would be, and then seconds after sent a second PM saying "Oh, and I'm not a Dula." I didn't push it since she was right that an Arrested player can't be scanned, but I had a theory then that she scanned Emerald as an Eliminator, hence her "strong gut read" post at the beginning of the turn. I later find out in the PM with the Anonymous Legionnaire and Wilson that Wilson was scanned by a Dula, and aside from a trust of me and a distrust of Emerald, they had no reads. I responded with "Oh, that's ironic because I totally accused a player of being a Dula earlier today who had those exact same reads and nothing else." Wilson had a bit of an "oh chulldung" moment, told Elbereth what happened, and then they both officially brought me in to their little circle, since it was pretty much undeniable at that point. Onwards! So, N1 I got arrested by both Magestar and the Legionnaire that claimed to Wilson and I. I immediately told the second Legionnaire to go on protecting themselves every night from then on out like they said they wanted to, since Magestar had agreed to protect me for the first four or five nights, unless something more strategic came up. I also asked Elbereth to scan Magestar to make sure that he wasn't an evil Legionnaire, since he was pretty quick to claim to me in that doc and because he had done some things in thread that made me go hmm. Well, D3 roles around and Magestar is verified as non-elim too, and we make a new group PM to brief him in on everything. So this is where your theory falls apart mostly, Ren. Wilson knew straight from the source that I would be Arrested again. She even supported it. She didn't want me to be exposed, but also didn't want to risk dying to protect me herself. As for Jaime, she claimed to me towards the end of D3 when I made a post of all the Bodyguard claims I've heard. She wanted to tell me she was one too, who she had been protecting, and that she thought one of the other Bodyguards had to be evil. Wilson couldn't have been unless Elb was too, and since I figured out Elb's rather than was approached by her, I determined that was most likely not the case. That meant it had to be either Jaime herself, Lopen or Emerald. Since I already knew who Jaime was claiming to protect, and that Emerald had basically claimed to have been a Bodyguard by claiming he was attacked, I asked Lopen if he had been self-protecting. It was at that point that he claimed to be the ChayShan who killed Straw, and that he attacked no one else. So, that left either Jaime or Emerald. I won't lie and say that Jaime didn't offer to protect me since she trusted me, but I immediately told her not to because I already had a Legionnaire Arresting me, and therefore her ability would be better used on herself or Wilson (I didn't want to give away that Wilson was a Bodyguard in case Jaime was evil). If the still living Legionnaire wishes, they can verify some of this is true since a good deal of it was talked about in the PM with him, Wilson and I. He didn't know Elb or Magestar's identities, but he knew that I was being constantly Arrested by a second Legionnaire and that Wilson and I both were in contact with the Dula. That being said, I might just out him anyway if he doesn't speak up, because I have a theory that he might be Jeskeri, himself. I think that covers everything, so let me respond to you more specifically, Ren. This is the exact definition of post hoc ergo propter hoc. Just because I was attacked and a lot of people died doesn't mean the Jeskeri attacked one of their own. Just because a lot of players targeted me doesn't mean I arranged them to (Magestar is the only one who should have). Just because several people died from targeting me does not mean the Jeskeri knew so many people would be doing it. There's a much more likely theory that you seem to be discounting entirely, despite the fact that you provide the evidence in your next post. That evidence is probably very jarring because Magestar directly pointed out for everyone in the thread that I had protection lined up. He invited Elodin to attack me to prove that his faction had access to a kill role. Don't you think it's a lot more likely that the Jeskeri saw this and said, "Hey, Aman's been claiming in thread that he's being Arrested by a Legionnaire every night and now a player is asking this Neutral-Evil faction to prove their kill role by attacking him. This is a perfect opportunity to get rid of a village protection role and an opposite faction's kill role at once." This is exactly what I believe happened, as your theory makes zero sense. And it's extremely unfortunate that the Philosopher killed Elb because she herself could verify that everything I've said so far is true. A pretty important factor in all of this was Elodin's "Deliberate Misdirection." My only explanation for Jaime protecting me despite me telling her not to is that Magestar was being pretty pushy about me being attacked by Elodin and just in case she wanted to make sure I didn't die. As for Wilson I would guess the same thing but she knew Magestar was Arresting me. It's possible that she thought the Legionnaire would only protect from one kill since that's how the Bodyguard works, so that she was trying to make sure that if I was attacked by multiple bad guys, they would all fail. Otherwise I have no idea, as she said during the day turn that she would be protecting herself, and if not her, Elb, since Elb was the Dula and she already knew I was being Arrested. There's a good reason why I'm on Wilson's trust list, as well as pretty much every one else's (at least everyone who has posted trust lists so far). It's because I'm trust worthy. I'm somewhat flattered that you believe I could be that deceiving, but I'm not. Lopen and Elbereth especially have consistently got gut reads in the last few games I've been evil from the start, and since D1 they've pretty much been vouching for me. The answer to this mystery isn't that I'm evil. It's that I was obviously good, and therefore I was a very smart target for the Jeskeri to attack, as it was more likely that I was going to be protected by multiple players than anyone else in the game. Especially after Magestar begged Elodin to attack me in thread. Now, what I've noticed, Renegade, is a combination of how quick you were to vote for me and the weak logic behind it, not mention how assured you were in that first post of yours (what's that quote about only Sith dealing with absolutes?). You've been on a lot of player's suspicion lists for a while (including Wilson's, who known for frequently getting accurate reads on people) and you've been incredibly quiet this game so far. Why is that after N3, the night after the Jeskeri Practitioner can make his entrance, that you're suddenly one of the first players to post in the thread? Is it because you knew this reveal was going to happen and were looking forward to see the fruits of your labor? Given how quick you were to accuse me of being the reason so many players died, I get the strong feeling that you had considered blaming me for this ahead of time, and that once you saw that two Bodyguards got dragged down along with the Legionnaire and Elodin, you saw the perfect opportunity to pull me down, too. Also, anyone else notice how this write up proves that Emerald lied the other day? This one proves that a player who is attacked and saved gets announced in the write up. It might not reveal said players name, but it definitely informs us all when a block occurs. Now why would a villager lie about something like that? I see no reason why they would, and this would explain Jaime's theory about one of the other Bodyguard's being evil (since now both Wilson and her are proven good). Knowing what I do now, I'd have to guess that the Jeskeri have three or four players. It says that the Jeskeri win condition involves killing all other Eliminators, so that probably means there's either another small team out there or that the Philosopher is a lone, Serial-Killer-esque eliminator. Now I'm not sure if Emerald and you are both Jeskeri, but at the very least I think you're both eliminators. I also think Lopen might be an eliminator as well. Mostly it's because one of his self-proclaimed eliminator tells is that he gets lazy. Apart from the post on N2 about players who were not posting during the night turns maybe being evil to avoid scans (in which Wilson pointed out all of the flaws in), he hasn't contributed in this game nearly as much as he usually does. His vote on me this turn is one of a few examples of him just throwing votes on people without much thought, which I seldom see him do as a villager (except early game poke votes). There's also the fact that he's claimed to be the ChayShan who killed Straw when apparently there's multiple ChayShan out there claiming to have attacked him, and that he is now claiming he attacked Elodin, conveniently at the same time that the Jeskeri kills him. I also am worried that the other Legionnaire who Arrested me on N1 might be evil. He knows a good deal of information thanks to Wilson and I, and his paranoia about being attacked reminds me of when an eliminator constantly overplays how much danger they're in. He's also pretty much been doing nothing but observing this game, which is not exactly alignment-indicative for him, but he's even been considerably more quiet in our group PMs as late. I also believe that the eliminators were given a Legionnaire because while it would guarantee them protecting one of their own, it doesn't come without it's drawbacks (unable to put in actions, unable to talk in the thread or the doc at night - though this can be circumvented by the Legionnaire talking for them). It would also explain why he was so insistent on Arresting himself and hesitant about proving his role to me. I could see him conceding just for that first night only so that he could gain my trust, as it was a known role's ability. And I think that pretty much covers it. I remember I had another theory about who else is evil bouncing around in my head, but I can't remember right now and I really need to get to work on my last essay for this term.
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    Turn Five will end in 24 hours. Please stand by for your GM PMs. The Surviving Master Elodin as Bulbasaur Ecthelion III as IDK The Only Joe as RippleGylf Alvron as Poke Ranger Joe TheYoungBard as The Bard OrlokTsubodai as Locke Bugsy6912 as Blanche Magestar as Tebeh Dee The Defeated Eolhondras as Eol - Bulbasaur Elbereth as Elthena - Charmander zas678 as Nobody - Squirtle Straw as Straw - Bulbasaur AliasSheep as Ash - Charmander TheSilverDragon as Somebody - Bulbasaur cloudjumper as Cole - Charmander Elenion as Nonel - Arbok TheMightyLopen as Scott - Squirtle Kipper as Kipper - Charmander Sart as Footsteps - Squirtle Nyali as Nya - Kadabra jaimeleecee as Jaime - Bulbasaur Metacognition as TBD - Fearow RippleGylf as Myself - Bulbasaur Conquestor as Lorien - Charmander Emerald101 as Red - Dragonair Turn Four Tally (5) Emerald101: Nyali, jaimeleecee, Metacognition, RippleGylf, Conquestor, (1) Magestar: Ecthelion III,
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    Turn is now over!
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    Just a little over 8 hours left to get your orders in!
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    All Turn Four PMs should be sent now. If you did not receive yours, please remind me there. Thank you.
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    Turn Four will end in 24 hours. Please stand by for your GM PMs. The Surviving Master Elodin as Bulbasaur Metacognition as TBD Conquestor as Lorien Ecthelion III as IDK RippleGylf as Myself The Only Joe as RippleGyl Alvron as Poke Ranger Joe TheYoungBard as The Bard Nyali as Nya jaimeleecee as Jaime OrlokTsubodai as Locke Bugsy6912 as Blanche Magestar as Tebeh Dee Emerald101 as Red The Defeated Eolhondras as Eol - Bulbasaur Elbereth as Elthena - Charmander zas678 as Nobody - Squirtle Straw as Straw - Bulbasaur AliasSheep as Ash - Charmander TheSilverDragon as Somebody - Bulbasaur cloudjumper as Cole - Charmander Elenion as Nonel - Arbok TheMightyLopen as Scott - Squirtle Kipper as Kipper - Charmander Sart as Footsteps - Squirtle Turn Three Tally (4) Sart: Nyali, Magestar, jaimeleecee, TheMightyLopen, (2) Magestar: Ecthelion III, The Young Bard, (1) Nyali: Kipper, (1) Alvron: Conquestor
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    Turn is over.
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    Ahem. That is all.
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    There is a little more than 2 hours left in the turn! Barely any players have their orders in right now, so if you don't want to waste an opportunity to kill your enemies and win, please get them in soon!
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    Turn Three will end in 24 hours. Please stand by for your GM PMs. The Surviving Master Elodin as Bulbasaur Metacognition as TBD Conquestor as Lorien Ecthelion III as IDK RippleGylf as Myself The Only Joe as RippleGyl Alvron as Poke Ranger Joe TheYoungBard as The Bard Nyali as Nya jaimeleecee as Jaime OrlokTsubodai as Locke Bugsy6912 as Blanche Magestar as Tebeh Dee Sart as Footsteps TheMightyLopen as Scott Emerald101 as Red Kipper as Kipper The Defeated Eolhondras as Eol - Bulbasaur Elbereth as Elthena - Charmander zas678 as Nobody - Squirtle Straw as Straw - Bulbasaur AliasSheep as Ash - Charmander TheSilverDragon as Somebody - Bulbasaur cloudjumper as Cole - Charmander Elenion as Nonel - Arbok Turn Two Tally (11) Elenion: Metacognition, The Only Joe, OrlokTsubodai, Straw, Kipper, Magestar, Elenion, Nyali, Conquestor, TheSilverDragon, cloudjumper, (2) OrlokTsubodai: Bugsy6912, The Young Bard, (2) Magestar: Ecthelion III, Master Elodin,
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    Turn Two Fin!
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