Amanuensis

Missing one possibility. 4) Drake is the kandra with an extra life.

I tried checking the time stamps but it's at that period of time where it's too vague (your post says 17 hours ago, hers 16 hours) which means that could be a 2 minute difference or a 52 minute difference. I wanted to say it could have been too close to turn over for anyone else to comment, but I dunno. My plan for this cycle is to finish my analysis of Devotary and address both the shenanigans with the D2 Lynch and how the attack on Drake could factor in, as well as do a quick look over all the players who interacted with Xino to see if there's a good teammate candidate among them. ED1T: (1) Fifth Scholar: Aonar,

Just three lines and there's so much info to unpack another failed elim kill and a vigilante shot landing on a Rebel! As for Bard, I'm really sad you ended up dying from the filter I was really looking forward to playing with you again, and despite the vigilante (or kandra, I suppose) eliminating one elim, it really sucks to lose a villager. Out of curiosity, what makes you think there could be multiple Lurchers? My initial assumption was the same Lurcher who saved me managed to save you, which if true, is really quite the feat! I can't help but wonder if any village protective role has managed to stop two kills in a row before (not to mention in the first two nights!). I thought about that a little, and now wonder if the kandra only can kill on even-numbered nights. It would explain why they didn't kill anyone N1, though I think a village!Coinshot who didn't want to draw blood in the very beginning could be responsible for killing Xino. Speaking of Xino, he didn't say much of... well, anything. All of his posts weren't really game related, which makes me lean towards the village!Coinshot theory. Something tells me the kandra wouldn't bother cleaning up inactives.

Even if I got this far in my analysis last night, I probably still would have voted Devotary. As I stated earlier, Fura's claim felt genuine to me, and without another Hazekiller coming forward, I determined it to be a villager play. At the time she did it / self-voted there was still ample opportunity to push the lynch Devotary's way. In situations where I don't have any firm belief of two player's alignment, I pay a lot more attention to how potential lynchees react to danger and how the votes fall when more people get involved. Despite my analysis so far, I don't really think Devotary looks particularly good.

Devotary of Spontaneity (Part One) First post is half RP, half game analysis. I agree with the assessment that a kill role was probably left out, due to the number of players. There's speculation on the kandra too, particularly that from what little we know about their win con, they probably have a kill ability. There's also talk about Mistborn/Thugs burning pewter to defend from a lynch, which received some flack earlier on, so I'll hold analysis of that until I get to the replies. Overall I liked the post then and still kinda do, but for the most part it's pretty NAI. Responds to Fifth about her first post. Says we can probably focus on the elims over the kandra since it wasn't a part of the village win con to kill them then. Clarifies that we should avoid last minute lynches so Mistborn have enough time to protect themselves with Pewter, which makes sense unless there's an elim!Mistborn (unlikely due to there only being only one kill N1). Expresses a concern about Thugs since generally it's best to resolve people who survive lynches by killing them in case they're evil. References my request for Village Thugs to only use their ability at night to prevent this issue, and encourages they try to use another means to get the lynch off them. I feel this post is more village-aligned than eliminator, but there's a possibility that Devotary is the kandra. Slight Village lean but mostly NAI. First half of the post addresses Rath's speculation on role madness. Says there are probably duplicate abilities, but that there's a good chance some roles were left out. Asks Striker if Hazekillers lose a charge if their target doesn't use Allomancy. As for the second half, she replies to Fifth's question about how the kandra can help, which she compares to two roles in previous games where maintaining a balance between teams was important. If a lot of elims died for example, the kandra would probably start going for villagers. Also clarifies that Thugs should not necessarily claim to get people off their lynch, but instead try to convince others through ordinary means to vote for someone else. Again I rank this post with a slight Village lean since I'm of a similar mindset. Says they haven't seen me advocate a no lynch in recent games, but that I do usually go for inactives if I don't have a better alternative. Responds to Stick about her issue with poke votes since they don't really give people anything to defend against, thus making it hard to get a significant read. Compares it to the Fifth/me debate that happened D1, which provides a lot of content to be read into. While I'm thankful for the vouch, this post feels kinda pockety imo. I believe this is when I began to worry about Devotary's alignment the first time. Without more info I think I'd rank this NAI. Responds to Rath's response to Fifth's response about poke votes. Admits they're voting strategy usually doesn't contribute much back and forth discussion like they advocate for, as well as gives Drake some credit for his Process of Elimination method, but argues that Ark couldn't really defend much from Mrake's vote and that's why it's less than ideal. While again I find myself agreeing, I think I'll rank this NAI as well, since it really could come from any alignment. For reference, the previous post was 8:20PM my time. This next one was at 2:18AM and 12 minutes before turn over. Comments on how close the votes are, and the danger of Mrake or a third party swinging the lynch elsewhere (specifically mentions Walin and themselves). Says they can't see the day ending with a no lynch unless Mrake returns and/or there's a vote manipulation. Says they aren't sure of voting for Mrake or Ark since the former hasn't been active in thread for about 15 hours, and the latter has only RP'd so they have no read of them. While I can see her perspective from a village alignment, the chances of this lynch being V - V is relatively high, which is where the idea of elim!Devotary just leaving things be comes from. So basically this could really come from any alignment. I rank this as NAI with the caveat that it's a convenient situation / post for an elim. Comments that it's unlikely Ark shared their role with anyone D1, so it's unlikely an elim had voted on them for that reason. Points out there was no vote manipulation, so unless any of the voters were smoked, no one made an effort to save Drake. Ends the post by asking me who I would have voted for if I'd been around, which I completely missed and didn't answer until much later. In summary, NAI. Responds to Drake's allegations of being an elim!bystander in a V-V lynch by pointing out there were only 6 votes of 17 cast, and that among those 6, most of them were temporary poke votes that were made permanent due to inactivity. Calls out Sart and myself for being wary of the non-voters present when we were non-voters as well. Overall very reasonable, but ultimately NAI. After Sart asks Fifth to answer their own question, responds that she did exactly what she would have in her 6th post. Asks him what he would have done beyond "vote for anyone" or leave his vote on her. The post reads a little bit defensive to me, but she isn't wrong. NAI. Replies to me after I asked where I criticized the votes, which was actually my bad, since I misunderstood her. Shows me the paragraph where I address it. NAI. (Note that I missed her post on the lynch at the end the first time, so the reason I awarded Fura some credit over her was unfounded from the start. My bad ) Responds to Drake's next set of allegations. Says there was a common sentiment of no good lynch target and lists people in particular categories (who wanted to lynch but wasn't sure who, who didn't want a lynch, and who didn't seem to care at all). Part of his suspicion has to do with the earlier clarification Devotary made on her Thug/Mistborn post. which she addresses pretty well while encouraging we give people enough time to defend themselves. Also says the fact they're doing a lot more game analysis than player analysis is normal for them, especially in the very beginning of the game when their opinions don't have much foundation. Furthmore, question's Sart logic about a village Lurcher revealing themselves to the thread. Again, I find Devotary is kinda defending me here again, but she's not wrong about the dangers of an elim!Hazekiller. Calls my Tineye worries an overreaction, which is honestly fair. I didn't get how that ability works clarified until recently. Furthermore questions Lum's suspicion of Fura due to being overly-enthusiastic about my survival. Asks Lum what reason they have to believe I didn't survive due to elim-protection. While I'm personally a bit suspicious of people who tried to push the WGG narrative after my survival, this post is a bit more player focused than before, which I like. I just wish Devotary did it before people said she was only doing game analysis, otherwise I'd lean more into Village territory. As it stands it's only slight. Replies to Ventyl's expression of suspicion for her, asking for reasoning why. In the midst of this says they understand Drake's vote, but not Sart's (which I agree with. I'm having trouble reading Sart due to his playstyle this game). In response to Mrake, says this time they'll be around for sure to change the lynch if necessary. I'm feeling a bit tired and hungry right now so I'm losing focus, so there's a paragraph in here I can't really parse. I like that she ends the post with self-reflection on not-voting on D1, but that's really NAI too. It's nice she's continuing to comment on players, but since they're all still alive, I can't read too much into it. Maybe slight Village lean. I need to take a break to drink some coffee and eat, plus Wildbow posted a new chapter of Ward like 20 minutes ago and the anticipation is killing me. Hope it's okay I take a break here.

Emphasis mine. I did not get around to finishing my analysis of Devotary, but I certainly will today. I'd stated in thread that once I got home, I was dead tired and nodding off to sleep at my keyboard. I said I'd do my best job to finish that analysis of Devotary before the turn was up, but there were several moments where I fell asleep for a few minutes, and I also was talking to Fura and a couple other players in PMs about the situation, in an attempt to see if I could save them. While my analysis of Fura turned up with more elim leans than village, I found their response to it, and their eventual self-vote / Hazekiller reveal, to sound genuine. I also found that the speed at which Fura was accumulating votes to be suspicious, as Drake had pointed out in thread. Note that immediately after the Hazekiller reveal, I stated my plan was to even things out to see what happened, but at that point I would have supported Fura over Devotary in the end. That began to change when Fura explained their role and the reason for their unusual PM's, so as I discussed it more with them, other players, and ruminated internally, I also watched to see how other people reacted or to see if a Village Hazekiller would counterclaim (none did). Had I not fallen asleep in the middle of writing a PM, I probably would have posted once more to show the work I'd done already, and if I saw the opportunity, tried to encourage a player I trust on the Fura lynch to back off. As for the "was a reflection of my distrust for Aman" thing... listen. If you're honestly so suspicious of me that it's coloring your perception of other villagers and getting you to lynch them, I'd rather we hash things out sooner rather than later, because really that just makes me feel bad because it's like I'm dragging people down for no reason. Not to mention it's a pretty major distraction. I think I honestly would have preferred dying N1 than getting relentlessly tunneled by a probably-Villager.

(6) Furamirionind: _Stick_, Fifth Scholar, Lumgol, Araris Valerian, Straw, Rathmaskal, (5) Devotary of Spontaneity: Sart, MrakeDarshall, Ventyl, Amanuensis, Furamirionind, I'm sorry everyone, but I'm an idiot. I thought turn over was in 17 minutes instead of two hours and 17 minutes. I've been nodding off the last few minutes so I really think I won't be able to stay up until the end. I'm going to see how much I can get through Devotary's posts, but I'm not sure I'll be able to finish

(5) Furamirionind: _Stick_, Fifth Scholar, Lumgol, Araris Valerian, Straw, (5) Devotary of Spontaneity: Sart, MrakeDarshall, Ventyl, Amanuensis, Furamirionind, (1) MrakeDarshall: Rathmaskal, @Aonar @Young Bard @xinoehp512 @Snipexe if you'd like to way in before the turn is over, we'd all appreciate it. I think Devotary is the last vote, but she is present so I won't tag her. ED1T: @Rathmaskal, just want to confirm this is where you want your vote.

I think the biggest reason for me was the PM contact thing before my attack, but now that Fura has addressed why, I understand it a bit more. Also I disagree with Straw about self votes usually coming from elims, especially after Fura told me why she decided to do it in our PM. I'm kind of hoping that if Fura is lying, or an elim!Hazerkiller, a village!Hazekiller will announce their role in PM's to the person they trust the most, but that's honestly a bit risky. I'm not necessarily advising they do, but if you're out there, it's an idea.

Just got home. Dead tired. Still going to try to commit to my promise of isolation analysis on her, but for now... Devotary. (6) Furamirionind: _Stick_, Fifth Scholar, Lumgol, Araris Valerian, Straw, Furamirionind, (4) Devotary of Spontaneity: Sart, MrakeDarshall, Ventyl, Amanuensis, (1) MrakeDarshall: Rathmaskal, I believe this is accurate, but I'll go ahead and double check.

Oof. Okay. Hm. If you're being honest, I would have preferred it if you told me in our PM that you truly a Hazekiller, as well as voted on Devotary anyway. After all, as a villager you should want to keep the votes close because if Devotary is indeed evil, it's very likely a fellow eliminator would have done something to help. After Straw's vote I was nearly about to vote Devotary, even without my isolation analysis, just to keep things on an even level. But now... hm. This complicates things a little bit. I've been suspicious of an elim!Hazekiller since a player (Mrake?) pointed out how useful a role it would be for the elim team, due to it's strategic power and reasonable limitations. Unfortunately tactics wise this kind of post is NAI, because no one really wants to die and usually roleclaiming is a decent way to turn people away. And that isn't even considering you're just straight up lying... but I find that kind of unlikely because if a Village Hazekiller would come forward after this, we'd probably lynch you anyway. I suppose you could argue that given the limited number of charges, the village can afford to have two, but... Hm.

When I got in thread and posted all of that, I had already received two PMs and neither one of them said or implied "I saved your life." If either of them were the Lurcher, I figured they'd have done so quickly, as successfully blocking an elim kill is something worth celebrating, especially since it more-or-less guarantees I'm a Villager to them as well. As I thought on it more, I figured the Lurcher was either A: one of the players who PM'd me before D2 or B: a player who hadn't PM'd me yet. I decided it wasn't very important for me to know who they are, and the last thing I wanted to do was enable the elims a way to track them (should they have the means). Hence why I said in thread it might be best for them to keep me in the dark for a bit. Plus, honestly, even if the Lurcher did claim to me (which they didn't), I would never say so in thread or inform players in PMs I don't have a reasonable amount of trust in.

Still on the bus and my laptop is nearly dead so I can't really do much, but I might as well post a vote tally. (4) Furamirionind: _Stick_, Fifth Scholar, Lumgol, Araris Valerian, (3) Devotary of Spontaneity: Sart, MrakeDarshall, Ventyl, (1) _Stick_: Furamirionind, (1) MrakeDarshall: Rathmaskal, 9 out of 16 votes so far, 7 of which are focused on two different players. Though I might be getting ahead of myself, I think that's a pretty good sign of a V-E situation. @Young Bard, @Aonar, @Devotary of Spontaneity, @xinoehp512, and @Snipexe. Can you guys come and weigh in on things? Your thoughts and opinions matter a lot! ED1T: Sorry Sart, I just realized you voted lol. The last person I was missing was @Straw

I'm waiting to do at least one more isolation today before I vote. I was leaning on voting for Devotary at the start of the cycle, but after isolating Fura, I'm seriously considering joining that lynch. Sadly I'm on a bus for another three hours, and while it does have wifi, I barely have room to type. This post is, what? 6 sentences long? And it's nearly taken me 5 minutes to write it, so I might just save the real work for when I'm back home.

I didn’t consider that an elim would reach out to me on D2 until after I sent you those names. I should have thought it through more first, but that was a mistake on my part, and I legit groaned at myself for doing something that dumb. It’s part of the reason that I advised against the Lurcher claiming in PMs, just in case they were one of the players that PM’d me already. If you turned out to be an eliminator I would have been very upset at myself if I got them killed that way. Oh, I’m not elim reading that post. I’m elim reading the situation. I actually found what you pointed out about Stick very compelling, but with everything else going on and the possibility of you being evil, I can’t necessarily trust your assessment. If you are indeed evil, it could very well be you trying to get a mislynch on Stick. There’s also a possibility about distancing but I find that less likely than V-E or E-V. I do see where the Stick thing is coming from, but they replied and you still didn’t acknowledge it, and from what I remember their answer was fairly reasonable, if NAI. The point is I have no good reason to trust either one of you, but if one of you is evil, I can maybe trust the other a little. I do find the fact you glossed over both Snip’s and Stick’s responses as problematic regardless, which puts you in a more negative light. Not to mention that as you go through posts like this, suspicion kind of inherently builds. It’s hard not to let reads from previous posts not color future posts in a similar light. So I will admit that might have been a factor in it coming off like that. I don’t disagree that you could just be a rushed villager. I just don’t know enough to say right now, but I’ll admit it doesn’t look good. While I am wary of Stick because they PM’d me after, that doesn’t mean they are definitely an elim. It’s a factor I’m keeping in mind.

I don’t think it would be an every cycle thing, to be fair. It’s more like even if the kandra lives, they can still further their win con by getting other people killed, and if they ever die they still have a chance. The biggest problem I have with the theory is I have no clue how we would kill the kandra for good, especially with the change Striker made to the village win con.

Furamirionind Third post of the game (hour and a half after game began). Poke votes Fifth. NAI Begins speculation on elim!kandra. Leans toward unlikely. Given how early in the game this discussion is, I'll rank it as NAI Based on Rath and Stick's speculations, comes to like the idea of an elim!kandra. Still NAI Apologizes for not removing vote from Fifth despite reading them as Village (I do too so I understand why). Questions my initial statement on a no lynch (reasonable, as several others commented on it). Also votes Sart to get him talking more, and says they're trying not to spend much time on SE this week due to health related reasons. For the most part I find this NAI without knowing Sart's alignment, but maybe a slight Village lean due to the phase of the game. Joke about the Mistborn claiming by using emojis. NAI Is apprehensive about a no-lynch due to an ongoing game. While I personally expect an eliminator would want to lynch on the first day regardless, it's a reasonable concern for villagers as well, so I don't know if I can say anything more than NAI. Responds to Sart's response and drops their vote, then says they'll probably not vote until later. Due to the nature of this being a poke vote, it's difficult to tell Fura's intentions other than getting Sart's attention. NAI depending on Sart's alignment. Asserts that Ventyl is village (later explained to be for meta reasons). If Ventyl is really village (which I think is more likely due to non-meta reasons), then I kinda doubt Fura would comment on it at all. There's a possibility it could be a pocketing attempt or a disingenuous village read on a villager for credit, but I find that less likely than ignoring it and hoping no one comments. Very slight Village lean. Pings Mrake about Fifth's case on him, when he is tied for votes with Ark 2-2. This is when there's a little more than an hour left in the turn. I would do this from both alignments personally, and have a pretty good amount of trust in Fura's wolf game, so I think I can't give them Village lean for not being bloodthirsty. NAI with the caveat that if Drake is Village like I suspect, it would make sense to grab his attention rather than interfere directly. Posts that they don't want either Drake or Ark dead, but would rather let things pan out than present a new target for a last-minute swing. This stance makes sense from either alignment in a V-V world. In the event that Drake is on an elim team with Fura, then I'd still expect them to vote rather than leave it to chance (unless Drake is a vanilla elim). In other words... NAI depending on Drake's role/alignment. Encourages any surviving Mistborn to PM them soon, otherwise they'll be suspicious. Is the first to propose a V/V lynch, which I think Fura could have come to conclusion at the end of the previous turn, when no one was making an effort to interfere. In spite of their previous post I kind of find this suspicious. Both factors combined, I give this post a slight Elim lean. Responds to Fifth's questioning of Fura wanting Mistborn to claim to them. Doesn't find anyone more trustworthy, which is reasonable for a villager on N1, though I'm not much a fan of that kind of stratagem. Sees little good reason why Drake would be the kandra and gives 1/15 odds (note that at the time, there's 16 living players, so it essentially says nothing). If I look at it in a vacuum, probably NAI, but the previous post makes me lean slight Elim as well. Prods Snipexe's wording about bias and Villager Buck's(TM), and asks for more info on Lum's suspicion of Devotary. Feels more nit-picky than solvy to me, but could really be coming from either alignment. NAI with maybe slight Elim lean. Note that Fura doesn't acknowledge Snip's response, which I would expect a villager to follow up on. Explains why they were apprehensive of no D1 lynch this game (in spite of them supporting it in MR35). While the latter half is pretty NAI, I'm suspicious of the fact they ignored Snip. Slight Elim. Asks Ventyl why a Coinshot should claim to someone, which I can see interpreted as hypocritical based on their previous Mistborn PM request. Slight Elim lean. Asks Xino who they trust the most / least. NAI given how many of us have tried to get Xino more involved. States the odds of a N1 WGG being astronomical, which I took issue with already. While Fura isn't wrong, I would expect a Villager to be less certain / bring up other possibilities. Since I think the elims were caught flat-footed by this development, I'll give this an Elim lean. Responds to Fifth's question of Fura's previous post with further explanation on why they find a WGG so unlikely. I also questioned this because I don't see what ways a WGG could be proven without killing elim!me or an elim!Lurcher/Mistborn. Slight Elim lean. Questions why Stick would lean elim on Fifth if Fura is village, and asks me if I'm trying to get the Lurcher to claim to me. Considering the Mistborn PM request, again, seeing a little bit of hypocrisy here. Slight Elim lean. Here's my full post on the matter. Says Fifth's analysis of Fura is good / feels genuine, and reads him as village. Clarifies the meta reason for believing Ventyl is a Villager, and why they didn't mention it before due to it being meta-based. Also explains that they were trying to avoid an elim!Thug claiming MB to avoid the lynch with their PM request. My problem with this logic is if Fura is village, that means they think it would be reasonable for two village Mistborn to exist. That seems incredibly unlikely so I would expect a Villager to just leave things at "anyone else who claims Mistborn is inherently suspicious." Also votes on Stick for her response to earlier questioning. Believes Stick was reading too much into her flip and hedged in their PM, while also questioning the fact that Stick thinks Fifth and I are V-E or E-V instead of V-V. I actually can see Fura's logic against Stick, though I'm a bit apprehensive considering a portion of it deals with conversations I can't see. I think this might be the best example of E!Fura - V!Stick or V!Fura - E!Stick. Considering previous posts, I'm leaning the first. Slight Elim lean. Vote count. NAI Again neglects responding to Stick's answer, as Fura did with Snip. Further explains they tried to change the lynch toward the end of a cycle in MR35 and was determined suspicious for it. Honestly NAI again because both a villager and eliminator would learn from that lesson. Also edits in that Lum's analysis feels forced. I trust Lum so this doesn't look good for Fura either. Slight Elim lean. And that's all their posts. Earlier I posited that Fura might be an example of TWTBW, but after Fifth pointed out in PMs that it could be a matter of Fura's eliminator tells coming out due to rushing their posts, I think I'm coming around to the idea. Additionally, due to a fact that of these 22 posts, most of them are NAI, I think that could be an indicator of an elim trying to blend with lots of minimal content posts. Here's one thing though. At 11:28 PM on Wednesday (N1, I believe) Fura PM'd me and asked for a PM-contacts trade. I didn't consider the implications of informing Fura much at the time, but I agreed and now I'm a little worried Fura was testing to see if I was networking a lot with the Village. In the event that Fura's an eliminator this was a very bad call on my part, and now that I think about it, I might prefer to resolve this lynch even after I do my analysis of Devotary. Especially since Fura hasn't replied anything more after N1 (while I have). ED1T: This all said, I have a concern I would like to address. It's pretty much entirely speculation based on info we don't have about the kandra, but I have been trying to figure out a way the kandra role might work without a night kill. Given kandra's are known for the ability to disguise themselves as dead people (and the fact this isn't an anonymous game that would allow for the usual mechanic), I'm wondering if it works as kind of infection. With the goal to be the last player standing, the kandra may require being killed to win. The way it might work is that in the event of the kandra being lynched, they can choose among the voters who they infect. In the event of a night kill, whoever puts the kill in would become the new kandra. Write up wise, it would be like the kandra died, but really one of the killers becomes the new kandra, and their win con changes to die as well. Strategically, it would make the most sense to play like a Town of Salem Jester, I.E. intentionally acting suspicious enough to be lynched so they have more options of who continues their legacy. The goal would be for the kandra to collectively work to ensure the last player alive is the kandra. It's a way for the kandra to jump between alignments without breaking the game, too, since if an eliminator became the kandra they would have no reason to spill their teammates names to the village, as they're now effectively neutral with an unrelated win con to the village/elim war. Chances of this being true are probably 1/100, but it's something that crossed my mind, and I figured it would be better to air it out in the thread rather than let it lie (especially since Fura would be the most obvious candidate for a role like this). ED2T: @StrikerEZ, is there a chance of other secrets existing in this game? Or is the kandra guaranteed to be the only one? My main issue with this concept is how would we remove the kandra for good.

(3) Devotary of Spontaneity: Sart, MrakeDarshall, Ventyl, (3) Furamirionind: _Stick_, Fifth Scholar, Lumgol, (1) _Stick_: Furamirionind, (1) Sart: Araris Valerian, So yesterday I preemptively got all of Drake's posts loaded to analyze, but now that I've woken up and realized he's not even being voted for, I think I'll put them aside and focus on Devotary and Fura (plus Rath, should I have the time, though it's unlikely since I'll be traveling back to Zagreb later today). Between the two, I'll take a look at Fura first since people keep saying we seem to be working together (we're not), not to mention I have more village reads voting against them (Fifth and Lum) than just Mrake on the other side of the split.

I disagree that it's an overreaction. It would be different if everyone agreed to send me a PM ASAP, but it's not like I have a lot of PMs. Even narrowing the list of Lurchers to six names would be beneficial, since they can cross reference that information with interactions in the thread. Plus, all I said is "It might be best." As in, I'm leaving it up to the Lurcher's discretion. ED1T: What can we do to help @xinoehp512?

Uhm. I'm in as Aman Lanigiro.

(2) Devotary of Spontaneity: Sart, MrakeDarshall, (2) Furamirionind: _Stick_, Fifth Scholar, (1) _Stick_: Furamirionind, Oops, Ninja'd. You got it right though, Fura. Xino. Have you been keeping up with the game? As far as I'm aware, you haven't expressed any opinions on the game so far.

Ah I understand now. I’m not necessarily critizing the lack of votes. What I’m more concerned about is people not even posting their stance when they had the opportunity. Fura at least mentioned they don’t really want an Ark or Drake lynch, which I find less suspicious than being present and saying nothing. If I were present, I probably would have been tagging other people to weigh in on the two, and if no one else voted anyway or they ended up voting on Drake, I could see myself voting for Ark to save him. I would rather people not Lynch those I read as village. Since I notice I’m saying I read Drake as village despite not explaining why (beyond the rath interaction) I will go ahead and quote his posts later today so I can point out some reasons why. For now though I’m at the beach and about to swim.

Fura: I disagree that the chances of a WGG on N1 are astronomical. As Fifth remind shortly after, it's happened before, and it's definitely something I would do. I have no problem posting this because I harbor no ill intentions or guilt, but if I were an eliminator and had the opportunity to pull off a WGG, I would do it as soon as possible, no questions asked. Why? Because when I'm a villager, it's expected that I get attacked early. Maybe not N1 but N2 or N3 are very good bets. Every time I'm an eliminator this is something I struggle with. I have to consider the implications of every single kill I put in (I ask myself, in the case someone calls it out, how can I justify the eliminators attacking another person over me?). Honestly a lot of the time I can't and it ends up getting me killed or at least not trusted, so I have to resort to heavy distancing and implicating villagers I intentionally let live so that when I flip there's at least a mislynch or two after the fact. I'm definitely not hard cleared, and I respect that Fifth is keeping a healthy amount of paranoia. I would do the same thing if I was them. If anyone clears me, I hope it's because of the content of my posts. That all said, it's not a WGG, and I'm very grateful for whoever saved me. I'm assuming it means they read me as village and worried I might be taken out. Whoever you are, if you haven't PM'd me already, it might be best that you don't. I'm very concerned about the existence of an Eliminator Tineye, not to mention an Eliminator Hazekiller. If they manage to figure out your identity than they would be able to roleblock you while attacking me again to ensure I'm dead for good. That all said, I'm a bit confused Fura. If I'm evil while not being a Thug, that means the elims would either have a Lurcher or a Mistborn. If it's a Mistborn and they are discovered, then it would be very clearly a WGG, but if it's a Lurcher, the only way the village would know if said Lurcher eventually died. In any other scenario, how would you go about proving I'm evil later on in the game? I too am interested in the fact the eliminators went for me D1. It says a lot, and I think I've managed to pin down a few villager alignments because of it, which really helps me to narrow down suspects. For example, those who PM'd me in the first cycle, I think have a higher likelihood of being village (spending a PM on someone they intend to kill would be a bit of a waste, no?). And likewise, I'm a bit more suspicious of people who PM'd me after the fact, because they might be looking for even a little information on who the Lurcher could be. I too am curious about there being no second kill. I'm glad that a potential Coinshot didn't try firing in the dark. As for the kandra, it's possible they have a limited number of kills or decided to play the long game, as your second bullet represents. I welcome any Seekers to scan me so they can see I'm not a kandra. I'm willing to state that I have a role, so it shouldn't be an issue. Did I criticize a lack of votes, Devotary? I don't believe I have, and I'll admit, trying to paint me in an inaccurate light is a bit of a red flag. If I'm wrong, please show us, otherwise I may end up voting on you, because it kinda feels like you're trying to subconsciously ride on some of the credit I might get for surviving this kill. Welcome Bard! I'm very happy to have you! I'm not, Fura. I've clarified this above. That lost post I made was only responding to the write up. I hadn't read the thread at the time, but wanted to get that info out ASAP.

I have to say, seeing this was such an incredible relief. I always expect to die within the first few cycles when I'm a Villager, so getting saved - and by a N1 kill, no less! - feels really, really good. Especially since I have no idea who protected me. I'm not a Thug, which means someone Lurched me. No one has exchanged roles with me in PM so I'm not sure if it's one of the few players that messaged me or somebody else. But no matter who it is, I want to say thank you, and good job! It doesn't make up for losing our Mistborn entirely, but it certainly nice to delay the elim's win con. As for the elims... really? You want to attack me the first night, presumably before I can get my post out on Devotary (and to a lesser extent, Rath and Fura?). Okay. I see how it is. Responses to posts this turn and the aforementioned promises, incoming.

Oof. I was kinda hoping my long post would maybe count as two. Unfortunately I'm about to get some sleep now, so I won't be able to post again tonight. If I'm alive tomorrow I'll get right on fulfilling my promises.