Amanuensis

It doesn't really change anything, imo. If a Misting doesn't die today then the Inquisitor cannot convert tonight. If a Misting does, they have the option. As Devotary put it, whether or not the Inquisitor converts after the fact is up to them, and if they don't, there's no reason for the village to not go all-out searching for them.

Hael, Doc, STINK, Burnt and Brightness are on my Inquisitor shortlist for reasons unrelated to activity. Also yeah, I generally believe activity isn't a good indicator of alignment. The point of voting / lynching inactives is to discourage inactivity and give active players more time to be involved.

With 18 players, we could have 2 votes each on 9 of us and just see what happens (3) Amanuensis: Fifth Scholar, Amanuensis, StrikerEZ, (2) Fifth Scholar: Doc12, Sart, (2) Lumgol: Young Bard, Haelbarde, (1) STINK: Araris Valerian, (1) RayOfSunshine: Randuir,

As of right now I could Soothe my own vote, but I'll wait for more people to chime in before I take any action.

(3) Amanuensis: Fifth Scholar, Amanuensis, StrikerEZ, (2) Fifth Scholar: Doc12, Sart, (1) STINK: Araris Valerian, (1) Lumgol: Young Bard, (1) Sart: Haelbarde, (1) RayOfSunshine: Randuir,

Main reason I can't be the Inquisitor is because claiming a role like I had would be suicide. So long as I live I've vowed to prove my Soother-ness, and all players are limited to a single action a cycle. I'd never be able to convert that way.

I kinda disagree. The likelihood of me being the Inquisitor right now is something like 00.000000001%. Problem is, if I don't get lynched today, the Inquisitor has incentive to NK me (confirmed Misting), while a potential village!Lurcher has incentive to protect me. That's an issue in itself because if he does hit me and I'm protected, we're still at square one, and if he doesn't hit me and kills a vanilla, then we're still at square one. Neither one of those scenarios are ideal for me. Converting me would very likely be a waste, unless the Inquisitor has UberBrass, but even then, it's a risky play. Chances are I will be Seeked if I live for too long. If you can be thirsty for your own blood, then I guess the adjective applies

Thank you very much, Straw. While taking the free lynch and letting it go to waste isn't an inherently bad idea, I think strategically it's counterproductive (as Devotary pointed out, from then on the Spiked will be able to kill and convert at once + use other abilities while killing), and also a little... not disrespectful, but mean-spirited? I really do love these games so me willingly giving my life up is not considered lightly. I would hope whoever the Inquisitor is respects me enough to take the deal. I really appreciate everyone who supports letting me live (though I do expect most Inquisitors would lean on that side of things). That said, my level of activity shouldn't really be a reason to keep me around. I personally feel that every player can do everything I can do and more. It's only really a matter of time and motivation. While I'm not expecting (or asking) for people to post 20+ times a turn, I do ask that everyone does their best / works the hardest they can. There's a lot of fantastic players in this game and the Inquisitor only has so many conversions, so I fully expect this game to end up a fun / close one. Aonar really broke my heart that game haha. One thing I didn't even consider until last night was that if the Inquisitor has UberSoothing, he could keep that metal after converting me and use it to simulate my ability, keeping me in a trusted position for the entire game while using me to direct people and gather information. While that would be a really awesome / fun play, stating it now makes it very unlikely, and to be completely honest, I really think I should step out of this game regardless. I've been thinking about the long-term implications of my actions so far. It's generally not a great thing to have a "confirmed" village player, especially this early in a game. Mayoring is a real concern and even while I make conscious efforts to avoid it, it's a slippery slope. If someone has to die it might as well be me. And it's not like I can't try to solve the game from the dead doc. Anyone is capable of encouraging participation in others. Would you be willing to keep up with my post counting & pings after I die, Rand? It doesn't need to be as extensive, but just being mindful of the lowest posters and asking them questions to get them involved really goes a long way. I don't really think Ray is a good idea for a lynch, sadly. Rolelessness and inactivity usually go hand-in-hand. However, I think it may be in the Village's best interest to tie a vote with me and whoever people most suspect of being the Inquisitor. It's the best of both worlds. (3) Amanuensis: Fifth Scholar, Amanuensis, StrikerEZ, (1) STINK: Araris Valerian, (1) Lumgol: Young Bard, (1) Fifth Scholar: Doc12, (1) Sart: Haelbarde, (1) RayOfSunshine: Randuir,

A distinct possibility and one I would be very sad about. However, it would very likely narrow down their identity, since only a handful of players would be willing to do something like that.

I wouldn't be voting for myself if I didn't think my death was 100% the best play rn If it's a misinterpretation, it wasn't intentional. I asked that because I was trying to understand your thought processes. After reading this post, I see the general reason why we can't see eye to eye. Ignoring the statistical improbability of correctly lynching the Inquisitor today, in the event that we succeed, they would need to kill me tonight, not get NK'd, and survive a second lynch (not guaranteed they have UberPewter), all to get a single conversion off before biting the dust. By N3 the only casualties would be the Inquisitor and myself, leaving 15 Villagers versus a single Convert. Nothing about that sounds fun to me from any perspective. Several villagers will get bored or discouraged by lynching the wrong people. There will be next-to-no information in thread to analyze since the Inquisitor and his Convert wouldn't get much time to interact with one another. Even if if they did, it would likely be deliberately crafted to mislead the Village. The Convert may very well get stressed out from the pressure of carrying everything on their shoulders. And really, we just have a really long game of find-the-needle-in-the-hay-stack. All opposed to the opposite: I die, Inquisitor converts tonight, real game can begin with ordinary lynch tactics tomorrow. If the Inquisitor is found then, then there will be 2 or 3 converts left before he bites the dust. That's really the best case scenario for everyone, not just the village. Also, I've at no point tried finding Mistings or even suggest that we try to in thread. Up until this point, my votes have explicitly geared toward increasing activity. Besides, I offered my life for a reason. I cannot in good-faith deliberately kill another villager to preserve myself. If I lynch someone, they're either inactive or I believe they're evil. No one else should be forced to miss out on a game just so I don't. I'm not sure how my sacrifice = giving the Spiked 3 free shots at villagers. They only get the one and the game proceeds as normal. I don't think 17 blind villagers stumbling around in search of a single eliminator = analyzable content. From my perspective that's more likely to end badly than any alternative. I also don't think describing my strategy as "sitting on hands" is accurate, either. I also don't agree with "they get stronger as we get weaker." Although no one's been converted yet, I'm still measuring this game as 3 v 15 or 4 v 14. Conversions are both an inevitability and more-or-less the whole point of the game. Not to mention there's a hard limit that when reached, doesn't mean the village is at a disadvantage. In fact we are at a disadvantage the longer all the conversions go unused, since it forces players to have to reevaluate everything. There's only so many hours in a day. The sooner things begin, the sooner we can act decisively. I'm sure we could find the Inquisitor today if we really wanted to and enough of us put in the effort. But since I believe that causes the most problems overall, I'm not willing to go that route.

I personally think lynching the Inquisitor today would be the worst possible scenario, since it means the game would be over by N2 (if we have a kill role) or N3 (if we don't). My idea with this gambit was that it would put an interesting spin on the discussion as opposed to stifling it. For example, Striker's first post was venturing toward the lynch/no-lynch debate, which is generally considered unproductive. I also find poke votes (or stab votes) to rarely turn up anything useful. Ultimately I prefer to be preemptive rather than reactive. It's always better to keep your enemies on the back foot. Push hard enough and eventually they'll stumble. If I came off as guilty-trippy, that's my bad. I just don't know what else I can do that's productive at this stage in the game. I wholeheartedly believe the Inquisitor should make their own decisions. The way I see it, I'm just giving them more options. Likewise, villagers need to make their own decisions. I can see Fifth being Village, even though I disagree with his stance on forcing a night kill. Seeing who stands where on this subject is great information and so far I think it's gotten quite a bit of content out of players that will make for good analysis. Each post is a data point, to use Bard's terminology. Last time Striker voted for me D1, he was evil. Inquisitor confirmed. Ya'll are welcome (3) Amanuensis: Fifth Scholar, Amanuensis, StrikerEZ, (1) STINK: Araris Valerian, (1) Lumgol: Young Bard, (1) Fifth Scholar: Doc12,

It doesn't appear to have been specified in the rules. Straw, are conversions limited to the night phase? I've considered this, and came up with two potential solutions. One involved asking Smokers to consider PMing me so we could coordinate, but I don't believe that's very fun or wise. The other is to announce in-thread that I'll be explicitly Soothing my own votes, that way all people need to know is to not Smoke/Riot me. Ah. I may have misworded something earlier, or given the wrong impression. I am not advocating we wait for the Inquisitor to use all their conversions. I just would like the game to have a team of 3 before I start getting heavy into analysis, since anything less is very difficult to catch. Especially when the Inquisitor gets to pick their own team. (2) Amanuensis: Fifth Scholar, Amanuensis, (1) STINK: Araris Valerian, (1) Lumgol: Young Bard, (1) Fifth Scholar: Doc12,

Nah hahaha. You caught me just as I was modifying the colors and getting ready to tag more people. @Haelbarde, @Burnt Spaghetti, @StrikerEZ, @Lumgol, @Doc12, @Devotary of Spontaneity, @Sart, and @STINK are competing for second-to-last in posts. @RayOfSunshine still has not posted. Since I would still like to play the game, I will go ahead and look over each of these player's posts to see if there's anything noteworthy. I'm somewhat suspicious of Fifth right now, however, since if he were the Inquisitor, I would expect him to take this exact same stance so he seems the most punishing toward himself, not to mention the end result of delaying conversions working out for the Inquisitor more than it would the village (even more so if he's suggesting we actually try to lynch the Inquisitor today/tomorrow, since that has an incredibly high likelihood of killing off multiple villagers).

So you'd prefer a no lynch today, then? In that scenario there's a very high chance the Inquisitor will kill me tonight for the guaranteed conversion N2 (not to mention the fact I've let them know I have an elim-ideal role). I'd rather get my death out of the way now, so that way D2 isn't just another no-lynch (or worse, that a better role dies). Brightness Radiant. Amanuensis. Fundamentally, I don't really like the idea of killing the Inquisitor before they can use all their conversions. These games are significantly more fun when they're close. ED1T: (2) Amanuensis: Fifth Scholar, Amanuensis, (1) STINK: Araris Valerian, (1) Lumgol: Young Bard,

A Misting needs to die for the Inquisitor to try spiking their role into a different player. On D1 of LG32 we lynched a Vanilla, which prevented the Inquisitor from getting a conversion N1. After that, D2 had the same problem (1 Inquisitor versus 25+ villagers). I harbor the opinion that it's a big waste of time for everyone if we don't.

Honestly it encourages me a bit more there's a couple viable scenarios where I'd advocate lynching two people at once. Proving a Thug claim while also getting a successful kill off, for example.

No worries on that front! I just wanted to verify. BR is now aware and should post later today. A couple other things I want to say after reading the rules. First, a statement relevant to Straw. The rules say if votes are tied, both players will die. In the event of a 3 way tie of 3 votes I assume this would kill all three as well? With this in mind we need to be very careful of where the votes lie in the end. Second, Tineyes can send anonymous messages each night to the thread. I think it would be a good idea if all Tineyes write something for us tonight, that way we know how many there are without anyone actually claiming.

Upon reviewing the rules, it seems Coinshot is a one-time kill, and therefore probably exists (or will due to Snapping, irregardless of the existence of a Mistborn). I can respect wanting to survive a cycle, so shanerockes, Brightness Radiant. Is it okay if I check up on her on Discord to make sure she hasn't forgotten about the game? Post Count: Vote Count: (1) Amanuensis: Fifth Scholar, (1) STINK: Araris Valerian, (1) Lumgol: Young Bard, (1) Brightness Radiant: Amanuensis,

That's fair. I hope you understand if self-preservation isn't enough reason for me to back off, though what do you think about the rest of my post? Is there anything I said that you personally disagree with, and if so, why? I'm not very familiar with you as a player and would deeply appreciate some insight into your thought processes. Post Count: Every time I post, I'll make sure to include an up-to-date post count. Also a vote count if it's changed since my previous one. (2) Amanuensis: Fifth Scholar, shanerockes, (1) STINK: Araris Valerian, (1) Lumgol: Young Bard, (1) shanerockes: Amanuensis,

Post Count Haelbarde: [1] Burnt Spaghetti: [1] Snipexe: [2] StrikerEZ: [1] Araris Valerian: [2] Lumgol: [1] RayOfSunshine: [0] shanerockes: [0] Doc12: [1] Randuir: [3] Amanuensis: [6] BrightnessRadiant: [0] Fifth Scholar: [3] Devotary of Spontaneity: [1] Rathmaskal: [1] Young Bard: [2] Sart: [1] STINK: [0] It seems that @RayOfSunshine, @shanerockes, @BrightnessRadiant, and @STINK are the only 4 players who haven't posted. While my primary goal this cycle is lynching a misting, my secondary goal is to get as many players involved in all further discussions as possible, with a focus on those who are typically less active. Because STINK is active in PMs and Brightness hasn't been on the shard since Thursday, I will go ahead and place my vote on shanerockes over Ray (AKA Ax), since Ax was lynched early in my last game. Vote Count (1) STINK: Araris Valerian, (1) Amanuensis: Fifth Scholar, (1) Lumgol: Young Bard, (1) shanerockes: Amanuensis, Right now my instincts are saying the Inquisitor is one of Hael, Doc or STINK. I could see Burnt or Brightness as well. That said, I would rather leave the Inquisitor alone until they get all their conversions off. Discovering their identity early on in the game would make it boring, IMO. To the Inquisitor, I humbly ask that if I do sacrifice myself (or manage to lynch another Misting), please don't let it be for nothing. While I have stated multiple times that it's in the village's best interest to have you convert people sooner rather than later, I want to point out that it's also better for you to establish a team of at least 2 while the player count is still high, for better coordination and overall blending. Although you are in no way obligated and there are some arguments to be made for saving your conversions, that decision ultimately prolongs what makes these games fun. Also, for clarification, I am indeed a Soother as Rand had guessed. Since the plan Wilson and I concocted in LG32 is visible in that game's dead doc, I'm not actually banking on pulling off any pseudo-scans. My sole intention of claiming my role is to ensure that I am never converted. Should a Thug be on the brink of getting lynched, I recommend they inform the thread within the last 6 hours or so of the cycle, that way we have enough time to discuss following through to confirm the claim or finding a proper alternative. Although it's slightly hypocritical, I also recommend no other role claims publicly. As Hael stated before it can help the Inquisitor narrow down power roles. This includes Vanilla claims. I also hesitate to make any plans that involve Seekers. With 18 players I'm not very confident one was included. Coinshot is possible, albeit unlikely (Mistborn exceeding the possibility slightly). Lurcher is probably guaranteed. Best case scenario, we preserve the integrity of these roles into the late game. It would probably be best if these roles do not claim to anyone until at least two conversions are made, and with an entire cycle of content to analyze after the fact.

The previous game had it so even if the 50% chance of the Spiked gaining the new role failed, they would still lose the original. Not sure if that's still true but I assumed it was. Can we have confirmation for this game?

Last time it was a Coinshot who killed me. I'm hoping there won't be a repeat this time. But yes, I'm aware it puts me at risk, and I accept that risk. As it stands, if a Misting isn't lynched today then on D2 there is still only 1 elim. 2 villager dead means 1 v 15 and we still won't really have any leads / will be basically guaranteed to lynch another Villager before the N2 convert. The way I see it, the game is significantly harder until at least 2 conversions are made, and I would rather that happen sooner for the overall chance of the village.

I will be able to prove my role consistently so in the event I am ever converted, I will no longer have my role. So if I stop using my ability just lynch or night kill me immediately. I do not want to be converted. And preferably I would ask the Inquisitor and his future converts to spare me until N4 the earliest. On N1 of LG32 I issued a challenge to the Inquisitor then, and that challenge stands now. I would find the post but I'm mobile rn.

I would really like to play this game (and specifically, do so while remaining village), but since it would be hypocritical of myself to ask we lynch a misting today while being a misting myself, I'll go ahead and let everyone know that fact now. Our ideal situation today would be to lynch an inactive misting, but I am willing to make that sacrifice if it helps the village get closer to winning.

So, conversion game. As of right now only one of us is evil. Like in LG32, my goal is to lynch a Misting to speed along the Inquistor's recruiting. IMO the sooner this game is like a normal one, the better off the village.