Amanuensis

How selfish! Stick

Stick could always be kind enough to vote for herself

For the record, I would be cool with a tie between Alvron and Stick. He can't be here to defend himself, so the least we could do is let his Gods decide.

(2) Devotary of Spontaneity: TheMightyLopen, _Stick_, (2) Alvron: MrakeDarshall, Amanuensis, (1) Burnt Spaghetti: shanerockes, (1) _Stick_: StrikerEZ,

I feel like an idiot for not asking Lum if she requested Sak earlier, though I'm fairly certain that's what she did, and would explain Devotary getting Sak over her. Devotary. Alvron. I really hope I'm not letting an elim out the noose here, though.

Not exactly. GM's only would need to refrain from including extra airship parts to balance out the lack of Engineer. With the existence of the sky crane and engines, it appears to me it was a deliberate choice. Also, while the existence of village Engineers should help balance this a little more in our favor, the fact that we haven't seen any evidence so far and the fact that it takes 2 repair actions to fix a part versus 1 to destroy it, means that we'd need something like 3 or 4 to make having more than 3 elims feasible, which certainly doesn't appear to be the case. I'm a lot less on board with the whole "saboteur can't get one of the twins" thing, since holding that belief essentially means two villagers get hard cleared. I doubt any GM would really balance it that way. I honestly don't believe Alvron's claim of exploring the sky crane, so if anyone is lying about their bird, I'd wager him.

'Twas this post. @Lumgol am I correct assuming that you requested Sak the previous turn? If so, it probably means Devotary's action claim is legit.

Main issue with my logic is when you claimed getting Sak, I believe Stick, Lopen and I already claimed Aviar, no? That would be extremely risky for an elim to do, when it would be easier to just figure our the pattern and lie. With you knowing the name of Sooty Albatross, Elephant Bird and Monk Parakeet, it shouldn't have been too difficult. Of the group of claimers, Stick and Ventyl are probably the most likely to be elims, given the former claimed almost immediately (good elim strat) and the latter didn't claim at all, but was announced by Lopen. This information is unfortunately all for naught if the actual engineer just lied and said they got a regular bird, but acting under that assumption if it's not true would be a fatal mistake and really get us nowhere, analysis wise.

No way the elims have 4 members, imo. It would make this too hard considering they got an Engineer. While you getting Sak isn't exactly alignment indicative, the eliminator strategy of going for sabotage over Hospitalization + the probable existence of a Village Trapper makes me think that one of the sak's could have ended up with the elims. Especially with the Bridge and Biology Lab already down, making Kokerlii redundant.

I am definitely willing, just mulling over details and hoping more players show up to see what happens. I would ask that Stick keeps her vote on Devotary, however, and that Devotary votes for Alv.

I wouldn't really describe Alv as super active, but either way, the players on my list are fairly experienced and judging by how this game has turned out so far, I'm fairly confident there's an elim among them. Right now my gut is telling me Alvron, but I low key hate that I need to depend on gut at all. You and Devotary unfortunately have the added problem of having received an Aviar. Hrm. I doubt I'll be attacked anyway, so it doesn't matter. A large part of the reason I've been voting for Devotary is because she claimed to get Sak. I also got Sak from the Aviary Sabotage and thus am wary of two villagers getting it at the same time. Aman: Sak, Devo: Sak, Lopen/Ventyl: Twins, Stick: Kokerlii!probably

I am roleless, sadly. I wouldn't be feeling the pressure this bad if I had the ability to repair anything. As for Lopen, since two parts were sabotaged that means 3 eliminators would need to have put in actions. Given the sheer number of inactive/low active players, I find that scenario unlikely compared to the elim!Engineer just being someone else.

I have woken up despite how badly I want to continue sleeping, to make sure my vote ends up in the right place. Hopefully this will be worth it. @MrakeDarshall @Devotary of Spontaneity, I didn't bring up the lack of defenses for Devotary because it would decrease the chances of a teammate standing up for her, but it was always something I've been paying attention to and will be a factor in my vote decision going forward. I believe lynching Lopen today is a worse idea, even if I also believe he is smart enough to have a teammate set an alibi. The main problem is if he did indeed do that, this means a total of 3 elims were active last cycle and all had unaccountable actions. Due to how small a possibility that is, I would rather the Trapper just hospitalized him today rather than wasting votes on lynching him. Devotary's responses have been very good, if I'm honest, but also not really enough for me to be convinced of her innocence. I could be willing to put her on the backburner, but at this point I can't see myself voting for anyone other than Alvron or Stick. Provably Alvron, since I believe he would ask the GMs if there were secrets in this game before wasting an action on the Sky Crane, like another player did (I believe it was Stick)

Just posting to say I'm on the brink of passing out, but also that I really appreciate the amount of effort Mrake put in this post. I was already leaning villager due to him not breaking the tie yesterday, but this clenches it, even if I don't agree with all of his conclusions. I hope to see more posts like this from other players in the future maybe not as extensive, but even a quarter of this amount of work is extremely helpful.

I find it a lot more likely that Xino is a village!Engineer than an elim!one. Speaking of, @xinoehp512. Shane also had expressed that he was busy IRL, which while it doesn't mean he couldn't have submitted the order, it also doesn't mean he did. I wouldn't be opposed to the Trapper hospitalizing him tonight for that reason. @shanerockes I don't think you replied to my last ping. What's up? As for Ventyl, it's more so the wording of his pinch-hitter request than the request itself that I'm reading as genuine. Navigator. I doubt it's a coincidence you stopped using your role ability to grab an Aviar right after the Bridge had been sabotaged. On the subject of people visiting the hospital to prove they're not the Engineer, it is a bit late for that, IMO. That's a long-game play and we're pretty much at the end of this game already. Not to mention I really don't want any villager to abandon the thread. If we don't have you here to talk and vote, we might as well be handing the game to the eliminators on a silver platter. Also I believe there was a collective misunderstanding about the SITC. Victory for the elims is not parity, for any of you who believed it was. Until we get rid of the Engineer, however, it doesn't really matter. Every villager needs to pull their weight if we want to win this. EDIT: @Devotary of Spontaneity, if you're not evil, I ask that you start building a case against another player or two. Since PoE is the main reason I'm voting for you right now, your best bet in convincing me to change would be presenting a better target.

I ruled out Xino because I was an elim with him very recently and he never voted or put orders in. I ruled out shane because while they could very well be the engineer, they are very likely being directed by a more prolific player, which is another criteria for my list. I've put Mark on the back burner because while he could have put the order in, I would have expected him to post more than once if he were evil. I know Lum's role (everyone should at this point, it's pretty obvious). As for Ventyl, I read his request for a pinch hitter as pretty genuine.

Process of elimination. The players I didn't list at the beginning of this cycle are extremely unlikely to be the elim!Engineer, and Devotary's posting style is more-or-less impossible to read her alignment from, compared to the others. She's also voted every time, has a non-confirmable alibi, and is one of the players I would expect to go for a sabotage-victory from the get go. The post with the color-coded names explains why I don't think Mrake, Burnt, Mark or Lopen are the Engineer, which really just leaves her, you, and Alvron.

You're correct. I confused the number 3 as the number of cycles until loss with the number of parts left

As you confirmed, going to the hospital is not an action. If you're an Engineer you just need to get one sabotage off today before you go, and one of your teammates needs to use the faction ability to sabotage the last part tomorrow. So honestly that doesn't alleviate my concerns in the slightest, even if it'd be risky, should a part get repaired. Thank you. After this game I hope the GMs share how they went about creating the list of non-Aviar. Anyway, a vote tally: (1) Burnt Spaghetti: shanerocks, (1) _Stick_: StrikerEZ, (1) Devotary of Spontaneity: Amanuensis,

I don't believe we should lynch anyone other than Devotary, Stick, or Alvron today, personally. I fully support the Trapper putting Lopen, Burnt, or any one of the first three who isn't lynched into the hospital, however. I'm willing to take this and that post about the Brig sabotage being foolish at face value, then. What kind of bird did you receive yesterday? If you're a villager, then Devotary is certainly an eliminator, IMO. Your vote would be best off going there.

You didn't really need to mention the role reason part, as if you're a villager it now puts you in unnecessary danger, but fair enough. I don't know whether or not I should be surprised you got Dirge back from the sabotage, though. Unlike Lopen, I'm somewhat inclined to believe you, to an extent. Elephant Bird, Monk Parakeet, Sooty Albatross and Potoo are all real-world birds, and thus fitting within a theme that doesn't seem to be remarked on prior to this post. Thing is, I fully expect whether or not there are 3 or 4 eliminators, 1 of the eliminators who didn't use a sabotage action very likely attempted to get a bird, so whether or not you received it is still in question. Lopen ninja'ing me as I write this helps me eliminate him as an Engineer suspect as well. I was about to say there's no reason for Burnt to lie about not posting that message, but now that Lopen has come forward, there we go. Mystery solved. Now for my first alignment probing question. Alvron, you've posted a lot of insight this game regarding strategies, both village and eliminator. At one point you said the eliminator's would be foolish to target the Brig C1 with the intent to hospitalize a prisoner. My first question is this: if you were an eliminator, would you deliberately talk-down your team in thread to distance yourself? Ah okay. So there's no mechanical reason for your picking Alvron. Good to have that confirmation.

Thank you. I just realized that BR being hospitalized proves she wasnt the one who wrote the anonymous message, so my theory there was null from the start anyway.

Hrm. Why didn't you try for an Aviar, @TheMightyLopen? EDIT: @Randuir / @Young Bard: Can a Biologist self-target? If a Biologist used their power on D1, would they learn if anyone interacted with them on D1?

I had assumed Lopen used his bird to PM Ventyl with hopes of getting him more involved, but now that you mention it, it makes sense that both of them got one of the twins from the get go. I don't really believe that would impact Lopen's alignment, however. It's also impossible for me to be the saboteur, since I was offline and thus unable to put in any orders prior to this cycle.

Very well. So we're aware of 3 players with Aviar (Stick, Lopen and I), and 2 who claim to have regular birds (Lum and Striker). With this in mind I believe it less likely for an eliminator to claim receiving of an Aviar, especially as early in the cycle as Stick, so I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for now. I don't really trust Lopen and probably won't until I can find some way to mechanically clear him of last night's sabotage, however. That all said, Devotary. Instincts are telling me they're a Saboteur, and hopefully, the Engineer themselves.