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See here: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/32-arcanum-unbounded-fort-collins-signing/#e8073

She can only get Stormlight from food.

@RShara I meant to link you that earlier in discord but I forgot. I still need to update it for Oathbringer, but hopefully it fits what you were looking for.

10 hours ago, aemetha said:

I agree with Brandon's rather unsatisfactory answer on the subject. Splinter and Sliver don't really apply to him. To be a splinter he must have already been a human intelligence, but he really wasn't - he's something new as a result of a merging of a sliver (in the form of a cognitive shadow) and a splinter. Since you can't be both a sliver and a splinter, he has to be something else entirely.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/81-shadows-of-self-newcastle-uk-signing/#e5723

 

He's certainly a unique case. Both a Sliver and a Splinter, yet neither of these things.

8 hours ago, RShara said:

Nah, a Sliver is a person who held a large portion of the power of a shard (often temporarily).  TLR was a Sliver.  SF is a Splinter, or a spren, or a Cognitive Shadow, but not a Sliver.

Tanavast's Cognitive Shadow definitely qualifies as a Sliver. He held a Shard, but no longer does. And as Tanavast's CR is part of the Stormfather, he qualifies as well.

5 hours ago, Cenanin said:

I still don't know why people say a Radiant spren was following Eshonai around, and there's no proof that Timbre is an existing Radiant spren. 

How will book 4 be Eshonai's PoV if she's dead, which she obviously was.

First of all, Brandon has said that the characters who have the flashback sequence in the book can be dead (so Eshonai can be dead and still have the flashbacks in Book 4).

Timbre says that their grandfather was killed in the Recreance. As far as we know, all the spren killed in the Recreance were Radiant spren. That would imply their grandfather was a Radiant spren, and if Timbre is the same kind, that they are too.

There was a spren in Eshonai's Interludes in WoR that was following her around, with an appearance very similar to that of Timbre. In fact, it may well have been Timbre. Either way, likely a Radiant spren.

2 minutes ago, MPHRD said:

Ishar boned one of the God Spren

Unfortunate typo here...

But I agree that Ishar likely never bonded any spren.

15 minutes ago, Dangerous_Pants said:

Szeth informs us that all of the honorblades, minus two, are in Shinvoar (I guess to the best of his knowledge, that would be dated information as he hasn't been back in a while).  He trained on them all to master the surges.  

Nahel has his own, which he seemed to have recovered well before the series.

That leaves nine.  The Windrunner blade he used and is now out in the world.  So that's down to 8 left in Shinovar.  

Only nine blades were left when the heralds abandoned their oathpact, with Talenel's blade returning to Damnation with him (presumably).  

How did the Shin get Talenel's Oathblade before he came back just prior to the series?  

Pretty sure the two missing are Nale's and Taln's. Jezrien's Honorblade (the Windrunner) is out in the world now, but it wasn't when Szeth was training. He's the one who took it out of Shinovar in the first place.

3 minutes ago, Jofwu said:

First of all, I think you mean "sapient" here? Important difference.

Yes, I did mean sapient. I always get those mixed up (though you'd think arguing over categories on the Coppermind would help me keep them straight). What spren did you have in mind that are sentient and not sapient. Do windspren qualify for that category?

5 minutes ago, Jofwu said:

Also, three obvious answers are the Oathgates, some Unmade, and probably the Sibling. Maybe these are just very anomalous. And apparently some people think the Oathgates are Elsecaller/Willshaper spren.

I do personally think that the Oathgate spren are Elsecaller/Willshaper spren, as the picture looks like how Ivory is described to me. But I'll grant you that's far from confirmed, and it isn't good to assume. I would probably count the Sibling as a Radiant spren though, since it seems pretty agreed-upon that it bonds a Bondsmith. And the Unmade are sort of in a class by themselves.

7 minutes ago, Jofwu said:

In any case, I don't have a problem with non-sapient spren having access to Surges. Windspren certainly seem to.

Referring to how windspren play pranks by sticking things together, I'm assuming? That's interesting, I'll have to think about that further.

8 minutes ago, Jofwu said:

And I think it goes too far to assume that they are "trapped" with the fabrial. The example given for the Soulcaster, at least, didn't feel that way to me.

It's not clear from the Soulcaster example whether Kaza is interacting with a spren that's in the device or whether the device somehow calls a spren to help. The Oathgates, on the other hand, seem pretty clear that the spren are always there. If they work under similar principles, it would make sense that the Soulcaster is the same way. It's also possible that they worked differently when the KR were still around. Perhaps it requires a spren to be in the device, but Radiants were able to release the spren and get a new one, or something like that.

Great theory, Jofwu. I've been thinking similar things recently, and I like the way you laid it out here.

I'm not sure what other sentient spren we know of that aren't Radiant spren. Furthermore, I think the spren in the fabrial must at least be related to the Radiant spren, as presumably the spren for any individual fabrial would be related to the order of KR that can access that Surge. I don't think an honorspren in a fabrial would give you an Oathgate, for example. I don't know that any of the Radiant spren would want to be trapped in a fabrial forever, but I'm not sure how else you could access surges. The only other thing I can think is, if there are Surgespren (like gravitationspren, adhesionspren, etc), you could use those instead.

The fabrial spren being KR spren may also help us to understand why some fabrials use multiple spren, as you suggest might be the case for some Soulcasters and we know to be the case with the Oathgates. We know now that the different orders can access the Surges in different ways, e.g. Dalinar can use Adhesion differently than Kaladin (might be getting the specific Surge wrong here). Perhaps having multiple different spren allows the fabrial to access the Surge in all possible ways? This may explain the limiting factor on the Soulcasters, though we don't know much about the difference between Lightweaver and Elsecaller Soulcasting. I'll toss out another idea here related to the Oathgates. When Jasnah used the Transportation Surge to escape the ship in WoR, it looked like she ended up in Shadesmar in a corresponding location to where she was in the Physical Realm. I think it's possible that the Willshaper use of Transportation involves moving around within Shadesmar, and the combination of these two effects in the Oathgate (through the two spren) allows you to travel quickly "through the Physical Realm". One spren pops you into Shadesmar, the other transports you to another Oathgate in Shadesmar, and then the spren at that gate pops you back into the Physical Realm.

Many possible questions to ask Brandon here. Knowing more about the differences between the ways the orders access the surges would be a huge help.

Adolin takes Shallan on a date

They train with swords, but don't mate

Though Adolin's a hero

Like dividing by zero

Mating would be inappropriate

8 hours ago, ccstat said:

That's true, though in my mind "colorful" made me think "multicolored." We do know that the type of bird determines the effect, and that multiple bird species overlap (Kokerlii and Mirris both project "copperclouds"). So if we can match Mraize's chicken to one of the aviar in SotD then we should be able to identify its power; but if they don't match we can't assume the power is different from one we've seen.

That's fair; colorful likely means multicolored. And I would agree with your last sentence as well. Different appearance doesn't automatically mean different powers.

5 hours ago, ccstat said:

Good thought, @StormingTexan.

Regarding color, it turns out the descriptions in SotD are really sparse. Kokerlii is "colorful," Sak is solid black, and Mirris has "subdued white and green plumage."

In comparison, Mraize's chicken is "one of the stranger varieties, pure green and sleek, with a wicked beak." Not a match. 

Colorful could include green, though. I don't know that I would rule out Kokerlii's power as an option (assuming color and effect are related). And Kokerlii had a sort of coppercloud-like effect, which seems like something Mraize would be interested in.

2 minutes ago, Carbonationspren said:

Let's see if we can identify a spren for each type of Soulcasting:

 

Air - Windspren

Smoke - Smokespren

Fire - Flamespren

Crystal/Glass - Shamespren? (they manifest in the Physical Realm as shards of crystal)

Plants - Cultivationspren

Blood - Angerspren? (they manifest in the Physical Realm as pools of blood)

Oil - Inkspren? (this one is kind of a stretch, but they are described as having an oil-like shimmer. But, so are the dark Oathgate spren, so that isn't exclusive to Inkspren)

Metal - (I don't think we've seen anything onscreen yet, but I'm sure there's some sort of metallic spren)

Stone - Spren in the Celebrant port

Flesh - ???

 

So, I'm pretty sure that that covers all the onscreen spren thus far. It seems like a reasonable correlation. The Inkspren seems out of place, since it is a more sentient spren than the rest of them.

Also, I'm wondering what the heck a Soulcaster that Soulcasts Flesh looks like. 

Yeah I don't think Radiant spren would be used in Soulcasters, which would rule out Inkspren and cultivationspren. Maybe the spren for each is the minor spren for that order (like the theories that Shardplate is made out of the lesser spren).

2 minutes ago, Ookla, the Incalculable said:

Which would make the ship impossible to steer as it would be falling in a set direction. 

Yeah, it would need to be able to manipulate the Surge on its own like a Soulcaster does.

There were certainly spren on Roshar before the Shattering of Adonalsium. However, after the Shattering all Investiture in the Cosmere was assigned to one of the sixteen Shards (source: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/256-oathbringer-london-signing/#e8605. So while there may originally have been adonalsiumspren, I don't think the qualify anymore.

1 hour ago, tabitreader said:

Being a lowly spearman, can I get an explanation of:

What are the Releasers?

Who/what is Bo-Ado-Mishram?

Does Odium's "Sibling" predate the arrival of Honor/Cultivation's failed planet of Surgebinders arrival upon Rosharan stone?

Long before Honor's fracture/Tanavast's death one could assume the 3 realms were unified at that point, like Nalthis for example. Might the Dawncities and Dawnsingers have predated the Heralds and Knights in coping with humans living peacebly with Odium's passions and rule/worship over the native Rosharans?

On another note: Has Gavilar's light-sucking gemheart/gemstone, from Oathbringer's prologue appeared at any point after Szeth absconds with it from book one?

Thank you Heroes of the Cosmere.

Releaser is another term for Dustbringer, one of the Orders of the Knights Radiant (and apparently the term the Releasers themselves preferred).

The Sibling refers to the third spren that a Bondsmith could have a Nahel bond with (the other two being Stormfather and the Nightwatcher). This spren may or may not be related to Odium; we don't know, though my money is on "not related". We really don't know much about them.

The Dawnsingers almost certainly predated the Heralds and the Radiants. That term seems to refer to the Singers that originally inhabited the planet, when the human refugees arrived. They did seem to live peacefully for a time. I'm not sure what you mean by the three realms being unified.

As far as the black sphere goes, there appears to have actually been multiple black spheres. Gavilar gives one to Eshonai in the OB prologue and one to Szeth in the WoK prologue. Szeth hides his somewhere, if I remember correctly. The popular theory is that these gemstones contain Unmade, similar to how Dalinar traps Nergaoul at the end of OB. But we can't say for sure.

Just now, bdoble97 said:

@The Sovereign is Ashyn on aby of the star charts the was released earlier this year in the short story collection book so I can't remember the title of that book right now

Yes, it's on the Roshar star chart: 

8 minutes ago, ai83 said:

We know that from books or WoB? I don't recall if I read this. 

If it comes from Aimia, do you know if it's found there in this exact form? If its origin is uncertain, can it be that it ate Patji worm?

WoB here refers to them as being "from Aimia": https://wob.coppermind.net/events/105-17th-shard-forum-qa/#e1080

I'm not sure if we get a specific confirmation in the books or not, I'd have to go back and look at Rysn's Interlude in WoR. However, in Kaza's Interlude in OB, she sees an animal that appears to be a larkin on Aimia, which would reinforce that as their origin.

11 minutes ago, TheTigerKandra said:

Yeah, the natural plants and animals of Roshar utilize stormlight in the ecosystem, hence the gemhearts.

But this news about Patji excites me. Could we be getting a new Shard?

Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), Brandon has said that all of the Letters in Oathbringer are from Shards we know/have seen: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/175-oathbringer-houston-signing/#e8401

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Pagerunner [PENDING REVIEW]

The letters in Oathbringer. Are they all three from Shards?

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]

Yes.

Pagerunner [PENDING REVIEW]

Is the first one, is that one we know? Is that one we've seen yet?

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]

They are all ones you have seen.

Pagerunner [PENDING REVIEW]

They are all ones we have seen.

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]

Yes. Or at least you know...

Pagerunner [PENDING REVIEW]

Have seen or know of.

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]

Yeah.

This, combined with the WoB in the original post, strongly suggests that Patji is a Shard we've already seen. I believe it is likely to be Autonomy. I'm not sure if Brandon would consider the "Survival Shard" one that we've seen or know about.

1 hour ago, ai83 said:

Isn't Chiri-Chiri coming from Patji? Where else would an invested bird be coming from?

Chiri-Chiri is a larkin, which comes from Aimia originally.

2 hours ago, Witless1der said:

This is something I have been curious about: the ability of aluminum to shield/cancel forms of magic. Is it any aluminum that does this, regardless of origin, by virtue of its metallurgic properties? Or only aluminum from Scadrial, because the effect requires investiture? Most of the magical negation by aluminum has been seen on Scadrial, where all aluminum is already invested. And I think that the few times it's seen clearly having this effect on another world, it was always provided by someone who was a veteran world-hopper! So is this just the world-hopper providing useful knowledge from their travels and using local metals, or is the world-hopper importing Scadrial metals because that's the only kind of aluminum that will work this way? Hoid has previously mentioned "an entire mercantile ecosystem" based around Scadrial's region of Shadesmar, so I don't think it's entirely out of the question. I'm pretty sure this export of Scadrial metal would be the only way an Allomancer could use their power on another world, but I don't know whether or not the aluminum has to be invested to nullify magic, since it doesn't require 'burning' to be used this way.

Any aluminum will work. There's a metal in The Emperor's Soul called Ralkalest that has similar Investiture-resisting properties. WoB says Ralkalest is just the local name for aluminum.

I think Ash is the most likely, with Renarin as a second choice. Dalinar was drunk the whole time, I'm not sure what seeing his perspective would add. But all the viewpoints we've gotten so far are characters who will have their own flashback book. 

@StormingTexan thanks! I was looking at some recent WoBs and somehow got it in my head that we didn't know what Nightblood was made of.

@asterion137 there's a relevant WoB here: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/115-general-twitter-2017/#e1442

Summary: Peter thinks that aluminum stops Shardblades from magically cutting anything, but a sword can still slice through thin enough pieces of aluminum. I would imagine there's a similar situation going on with the sheath. It may be an alloy that gives it enough structural strength while retaining the Investiture blocking capabilities of pure aluminum, or it may be magically enhanced in some way.

1 hour ago, Ookla the Obtuse said:

The evidence seems kinda shaky. Could this be an instance of "Peter lies?"

Peter could also be wrong. That could be his interpretation of the text.

1 hour ago, StormingTexan said:

Nighblood is steel. Also we got a recent WoB that his sheath is made of aluminum. 

 

 

Do you have a source on it being made of steel? I don't remember seeing that.