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This is the most astute most concise observation I've seen here.

Answer is easy. Read them all. mMy preferred order depends on what I think the reader likes. My sons read mistborn first, and loved the action and fighting. My daughter... Warbreaker... And liked the 2 princesses strories. People I don't like... I tell them to read elantris first. (J/k... But it is a hard one to start with.) I think mist born has the biggest payoffs... As its up to 7 books already, and you get to the best character trio of all time... Wax, Wayne, and Wayne's hat)

Yeah, seems like a good place for a friendly wager. You seem 99%+ convinced he cannot become a radiant . I think there is still a good chance he can and will become one. I think the shard stalking, as well as the fact that KRs seem to run in the family, and our attackted to broken people outweigh the justification that he hasn't healed super quickly. I totally honor (ha) that you have a different opinion than me... That's why I think it would be fun to have a friendly wager... I.e the winner gets to pick what the other names one of their children. (Thinks in my head... "What's a short cute nick name for a baby named Adolin? Al-D?")

I'm hypothesizing that perhaps the shard honor has a character flaw. That he'd rather honor an imperfect oath, than break an oath when it is morally better than keeping it. I don't know if honor is a case of good vs. evil, as much as it is keeping a commitment/oath... I.e. Integrity.

Yes, but healing in the cosmos seems to to be tricky, or nuanced. For example, Kalida's shash brand. If for some reason someone thinks they should not be healed, or somehow their identity is associated with an injury, then it will not be healed. I'd suggest this is at least partially the case - that elokar at least partially subconciously has a victim mentality around assassination attempts. And so it's possible he may not subconciously auto heal. I'm not claiming it 100% true. But it's a probably, and because of that I can't use his lack of healing as evidence that he is not proto radiant.

Not necessarily. Patern and Syl are both KR Spren, but the don't like each other, or at least are uncomfortable with each other. So doesn't necessarily mean the Kings prototype-KR stalkers aren't KR spren.

I agree with this 100%. ive always thought that might honor could have this flaw, and the heralds bailed on a promise that wasn't worth keeping.

You could almost say he was "broken"... Which as we know is required to attract a spen and become an KR. We already saw how Kalidan and Shallan became broken in thier youth. We could kind of see Dalinar broken a little in SA1&2 (I.e. His wife), but just barely. By then he was mature, moral and healthy. But SA3 flashbacks really really shows how bad he was broken. Now I'm just curious how he got that way. We see Renarin's extremely broken... So makes sense he becomes a KR. Adolin is actually family emotionally health (up to the Sadeus incident). Probably why he's shown no Porto KR behavior. Now I'm extremely curious what happened to Jasnah... And it had to happen really early, as she was already showing KR behaviors on the night her dad was killed.

This is awesome

If the oath pact was not made with odium, why does it bind him?

Yes! Dallinar can be powerful with so few words. Can't wait to see the connecting evolution between flashbacks in oathbringer to the wise general/King he is becoming.

"Very harmore." I love that.

Agreed. Else caller. Especially if you get Jasnas's personality and Sass.

When sly brings poison do Kal to make him happy, right before he jumps to his death.

This is my biggest fear/concern about Brandon's TV/Movie deals: https://www.wired.com/2017/05/george-r-r-martin-game-of-thrones-books/?mbid=synd_digg I don't want someone else's view of the world/story to superceed Brandon's vision... just like is happening w/ Martin's. It's totally true that for most the world, the TV version of the Game of Thrones is cannon... more so than the printed version. Please don't let that happen to the Cosmos Brandon. Please maintain creative control and oversight.

Right... 16 for preservation. 10 for Roshar. i expect one for autonomy.

For BS to say demigod level... That's interesting. Mentioned them right next to shard bearers... And grouped them together, but called out that they have different levels. Maybe Hoids quest is to go around the cosmos trying to get to demigod level... Knowing becoming a shard bearer means killing a shard, and taking it, and having it change you. But demigod... It's also deific level, but a shard doesn't change who you are?

I like this theory. I never thought of voidbring. I guess Lift should be telling Wendell to "voidbind" that... Instead of "voidbring" that.

"nim" is the honorific in Korean (which Sanderson knows)... And attaching "I" at the end of a noun is a grammatical marker in Korean... putting "nimi" at the end of a proper noun in Korean makes sense.

I always wondered if what really made szeth no longer truthless... Was that the truths that he was accused of being false... And thus sentenced him a truthless... This truths were actually true. And because of the realization that he wasn't really truthless... But still did all those terrible things... He let himself die as the natural end to justice. and since death met justices need, he thinks of himself as free now.

This is where I thought all the shard blades came from

Wait. Odium knew investiture would gain sentience how? Because he saw it before somewhere? Have we seen it before? (Unmade I guess?, but was that before shattering D&D?) Seems like what Odium did to D&D on Sel was not a rash plan... but a well though out strategy. He didn't just "pop" over there and do the deed... he really thought out in advance about how to kill them, who to ally with, and where to stash the bodies.

Exactly - he's already leveled up twice in this thread. I wish I could level up that fast.

Sure. What I was calling out - is that it is less about healing old injuries; and more my hypothesis that proto-radiants seem to not accidently heal things they subconsciously think should/could not be healed (kalidan's slave scar, Dalinar's battle scars -which he probably thinks of as trophies that were earned.) I bet as full radiants they could consciously heal them if they wanted to. They just currently have mental blocks subconsciously - because they identify who they are with those scars; and so are not accidently subconsciously auto-healing them.

I like it. I like the insight in the oathbringer flashbacks into Dalinar's character, and how his feelings towards Navani affected (rashly) certain decisions he made. I think many people's characters are shaped by wanting things they cannot have; and I like the twist of wanting such a think for so long - and then all the mixed emotions of finally getting it (betraying his brother, public perception, feelings for Navani). Love how Navani shows up as a character... she doesn't care what anyone else thinks.. She has a confidence and ego to go about her business the way she feels she should. And I love how she chases/pressures Dalinar... which eventually climaxes in Dalinar telling off Elokar. One of the top scenes... So yeah, I like that.