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I'm trying to put a quote from one topic in another topic. If I click the quote button on the back room of the post, it makes a reply in the same topic, and I don't see how to insert a prettily formatted quote into the second topic. I mean, I can copy paste the contents, but I lose the pretty header.

Hmm, interesting. Me theorising: We've known for a long time that the cosmere has matter, energy, and investiture. I've never thought about nuclear explosions before thought. So we all know when matter becomes energy, there's a lot of it. Investiture can become matter: spren--> shardblades, god metals, etc. I think we can also claim that investiture becomes energy, a person can run on Storm light long after they would be exhausted normally. I can't think of the opposite though, regular matter becoming investiture.

I asked two things about parshmen and Parshendi today. So, I asked if a Parshendi takes a parshmen by the hand, leads him out into a highstorm with a gemstone that has a spren trapped in it, will the parshmen transform. Brandon said, yes, now they will, but before not. So basically now that the Everstorm is here, they can be transformed, but before they couldn't. Also I asked about the new Rythyms, as I found it suspicious that the Listeners didn't have "bad" emotions. Brandon said that the Listeners did have ridicule, and so on, but before they would say it to the Rythyms of amusement. So bad emotions were there but not the Rythyms.

So I was there from the very beginning of the signing to the end. I got a book plate with, "You insisted on being last!" I was standing near Brandon during the entire signing, and was the very, absolute last. It was fun. Re: ccstat, sorry I forgot. I don't have it.

I'll be there for all three days. Does it make any sense for me to go to all the signing events? (Especially as I don't have any physical copies of his books.)

Brandon says, So having lots of Investiture in your soul can lead to bad consequences. But isn't Nalthis a counter-example to that idea? So let's disregard the God-King who has stuff going on we don't know about and the Returned, who have divine shardic influence. Any citizen who is rich enough, can get lots of Breath. I'm talking Bill Gates type of rich. Normal guy, Lots of extra breath. Like thousands. No consequences, right? From what we know, as Breath piles up, you just get more and more benefits. So I was thinking about possible consequences for Wax, and Seekers and Copperclouds, who were mentioned earlier and are extremley likely to become savants. So taking Spook as the premier (only?) example, he used so much Tin, that eventually, when he wasn't burning metal, he felt blind, and all the other senses were muted as well. But, he wasn't actually blind, he still saw normally, it just felt that way to him. So I'm going to use a lot of metaphors in this post. Anyway, instead of his eyes being able to adopt between "burning metal" and "no metal" and being able to process the info, the extra investiture permeating his soul made it so that only while he was using investiture he could process what he was seeing (and hearing). Which lead to over-enhanced senses. Anyway, my metaphor is that when a person is in a dark room, and light flashes, it takes time for the eyes to adopt back to darkness. Spook's eyes stopped adopting back to normal. Now, looking at Wax, we have storing weight, which he does a lot of. A consequence of that could be that when he is at his normal weight, he feels heavy. Maybe at normal weight he feels like a normal person would under heavy gravity. Maybe it makes him clumsier/more awkward if he's not storing weight. If he's pulling weight to make himself heavier, he's not awkward becuase the investiture compensates. This is all pure speculation. As a Coinshot, the only think I could come up with for Savantism is: you know the feeling when you hold your hands, plams facing each other, shoulder-width apart, pushing out, and another person is supporting your hands so they're not actually moving. Then when you try moving your hands together you get an odd, resistancy feeling. So for Wax, if he's not Pushing anything, maybe he has that type of feeling. Yes I know this is a weak idea, but it's fun to come up This post has been reported for attempting to skirt the rules stuff, even if it's wrong So next up, Seekers. Perhaps, the consequence for them is a feeling like a heavy silence pressing down on them or feeling like missing a sense, like being deaf. For Copperclouds, perhaps it would be feeling exposed, or over-exposed, something at phobia levels, or like a warm comforting blanket is missing. Then I was thinking metaphors for why too much investiture is bad. Using Brandon's own phrase, maybe it's like a deflated balloon on a smaller scale. Brandon decribed TLR as a deflated balloon after he used up the Shardpool. Maybe savants are deflated balloons on a smaller scale. If you burn metals but are not a savant, the balloon can return to normal shape, if you're a savant, it stretches too much, the balloon deforms, so consequences occur. I was imagining threads in a balloon, when a ballon deforms threads reach differently, or end up in different places. That's when you're not burning. While burining, the investiture running through you compesnates for anything that's happening. Or knitting, you have a knitted piece, alternating yarn is investiture, if it gets too thick, the whole thing deforms, stitches pulled too tight, loose areas etc. So Stormlight "rages" and metals are "burned" OTOH, Breath seems like a calmer thing. Breath -assiciation - meditation. My metaphor for people on Nalthis is that they have a two part soul. Instead of Investiture being interwoven into the fabric of the soul, there are two knitted pieces. One is Investiture-less, what you keep when you become a drab. Other is completely made up of investiture, can become large without affecting the other. So these are just a couple of my ideas I came up today. Also, examples of people holding large amounts of investiture: the God-King, TLR, and all Vessels. Well, the consequences for vessels skip the soul and go straight to burning the body, at least at first. But for God-King and TLR, we don't see any horrible consequences of the sort that were very obvious for Spook. Maybe too close association to a Shard for the God-King (Divine Breath) takes care of all the problems, and TLR held the same power as Harmony when he fixed Spook, so was able to pre-empivley make sure nothing would happen to him. I repeat, this entire post is pure speculation. Except for the question about wealthy Nalthians with lots of Breath and no consequences.

Regarding nonleaky Breath and leaky Storm light, I started wondering. We know Vasher can convert one to the other. Is it possible to have both at once? Ex: Vasher becomes a radiant, needs Storm light to Surgebind. Can he take in Storm light, convert part of it to Breath, then use the rest as Storm light. Or, if say, Kaladin learns about Nalthis and stuff, Kal absorbs Storm light, converts it to Breath. Them when he needs to Surgebind, converts it back on an as-needed basis. So you can store huge amounts of "Storm light" without danger.

So I was thinking. We have it confirmed that with some hacking, we can get godmetals of any shard, and presumably, they will give interesting abilities. So a lot of the focus was on soreness and Tanavastium because we already see the solid form of that investiture. So what if we do it the other way around? If, with hacking we can "tune" other shards into Scadrials magic system, can we also tune it to Roshar's? That is, turn other pieces of other shards into spren. If so, and those spren give us novel surgebinding abilities, is there a theoretical relationship, or similarity from the powers you get. Example, we get Edgli/Endowment and turn a piece of the investiture into a god-metal which a mistborn eats, giving them a novel ability. Or, we turn a piece of Edgli/Endowment into a spren (wait, that happened already:nightblood), but I mean turn it into a real spren, not a robot spren. Would there be a relationship/similarity between the surgebinding granted by that spren and an ability a mistborn would get from the god metal? Of all magic systems to hack, to get new Spren and surgebinding abilities, I think Seons are the way to go. They're already very similar, all you need to do is modify them a bit (somehow) so that they can grant surgebinding. I know that We have very solid WoB on making other god metals. Do we have any WoB on sprenification of other shards?

Yup, I saw the kilt, first I wondered what character it was then remebered the earlier post. Anyway, for the past couple of weeks I've been workiing on a theory, this is what I typed up and showed to Brandon: Healing/regrowth and cognitive realm/souls In the cosmere, you have matter, mind, and soul. Obviously, the physical world is most well understood (same as ours) and the spiritual is most mysterious. When anybody dies (going off from info in secret history) their soul, which was tied to their body, the connection is broken and the soul/cognitive shadow appears in the cognitive realm then goes on to the spiritual. If healing is applied at any moment while the soul/cognitive shadow is in the cognitive realm, the connection can be reestablished and that is why reGrowth can heal recently dead. Type of wound shardblade vs not may determine how fast the shadow is sucked into the Spiritual Realm. Also amount of investiture a soul contains. Souls = investiture or at least all of them contain some? Brandon said, " I also got confirmed that the metal that spren turn into is god metal (we probably already knew that). I also aked about the connection between the spren and surgebinder, such that the spren turns into what the surgebinder wants, like Brandon said that since the spren fill in the soul, they're connected on that level, so like their minds are separated, but since the souls are melded/connected/same that the spren can turn into stuff the Surgebinder wants. This is heavily paraphrased.

Can somebody who was there share a record of the reading and q&a with us poor souls who were standing outside?

So I just got home. I had a list of questions printed out and everything and this is what I have: Brandon wrote the following Answers. How much compounding would a nicrosil twinborn would need to do to get a metalmind that is as Invested as Nightblood? Wow so much. A thousand beaths doesn't seem to be that much - the God King has tens of thousands - would a piece of stone or wood or cloth or plain metal that has a thousand breaths be as Invested as Nightblood, or is there something more? needs more If an allomancer worldhopper really wanted to hack the magic system and knew what they were doing, could they get their hands on some Tanavast-ium or Rayse-ium or Egdli-um? Basically make god metals from the other shards? yes Is Iyatil wondering around the cosmere (Roshar) with a heating medallion? She's a southern Scadrial, so she needs one of those so she won't freeze to death in normal temperatures. RAFO So somewhere it says that the number of Breaths doesn't determine the power of the object. But are the number of Breaths directly tied to how much Investiture is in an object? You're repeadedly said that Nighblood is ridiclously heavily invested, more so than Shardblades, Honorblades, or the Bands of Mourning. But it only has a thousand Breaths, which doesn't seem all that much from the point of view of the GodKing - Tenth Heightening, over 50,000. RAFO Regarding the Iyatil, Brandon said that it's a good question. I also asked about stormlight breathing. I'll add a bit more later, about death and cognitive realm and spren god metals and subconcious responding to desires.

Me too. (Stuck outside). I wonder if we will get to know what the reading/ Q&A was about?

Dalinar was scary... especially in the last one. It describes it as him seeing red, and was he starting to be affected by Odium...?

I was only being semi-serious - regarding ambidextrous people

Heal Marasi, Hurt Szrth 1. Kelsier 6 HP2. Kaladin 5 HP3. Vin 6 HP4. Elend 6 HP5. Shallan 5 HP6. Dalinar 6 HP7. Vivenna 4 HP8. Siri 5 HP9. Adolin 5 HP10. Spook 4 HP11. Sazed 6 HP 12. Raoden 5 HP13. Wax 5 HP14. Marasi 3 HP15. Wayne 7 HP16. Sylphrena 8 HP17. Lightsong 6 HP19. Hrathen 4 HP20. Marsh 6 HP22. Szeth 2 HP23. Renarin 5 HP24. Hoid 9 HP25. Jasnah 6 HP

In Alethi (and Veden) society, women have free hands and safehands. The right hand is the freehand and the lefthand is the safe hand. Shallan, for example holds her drawing pad with her safehand, and draws with her right hand. What would a left handed person(woman) do? Are left-handed women forced to learn to use ther right hands? Thinking about the genetics in Roshar, which are different than Earth genetics. If one parent is Lighteyed and the other is darkeyed, then the child willl have one dark, one ligt eye. Same with hair color. If parents have two different hair colors then the child will have a mix of hair strands. So if there are left handed people, and right handed people, would their kid be ambidextrous?

Oh, no I agree with you that the Overmaster explanation is much better. Since Brandon changed it for a reason (presumably) I'm reserving judgment until the next volume. And I like your point that if the skill can be transferred from one person to another, the autonomous intent is gone. Breaths can be transferred easily because people endow each other with their Breaths. Ultimately overmastery has to be the correct/better explain s it aligns with the Intent much more.

So I found these WoBs. So in a manner similar to atium, which was part of Ruin's power, and while it was outside of him, he was weaker, spren before and after the Shattering are part of the power of the shards.

Ok, thanks for the WoB, I was going off what was written, and since we didn't have any feuchemists that didn't heal completly, I thought it might be different. So okay, you're right. So if the Lord Ruler needed atium to be immortal (youth) then I suppose Cosmere healing can only make you a really healthy old person, but the person will still age. So the only known biological immortality is the Elantrian magic. I guess you could use Forging, but both that and atium require constant upkeep. Oh and having Divine Breath, buth that also requries consant consiming of Breath.

Well, it's from Kenton's point of view so he may be wrong and it is overmastery, but I don't think Brandon would change it without a reason. Also, keeping in mind that all these systems have rules behind how the magic works. The most similar parallel in this case would be Breaths, which are transferable from one person to another. However, Breaths ARE Investiture, and Sand Mastery is ability which is innate to a person. So the overmastery theory makes more sense (streching a muscle) rather than something indefinible being transferred.

Chapter 6, page 1 in the graphic novel.

What you're desccribing is Stormlight healing. My point with the lightweaving is that the same ability might work differently in different systems. So I don't think its ever been stated that feruchemical gold also works like that. (It can, but we don't know that for sure.)

So I read the graphic Novel, then got the Prose version. In the Prose version, it explicitly describes that when a Sand master uses sand to lift stuff or themselves, it has a base which is oon the ground which supports the rest of the ribbon which in turn supports whatever the sand is holding. So when a Sand Master lifts themselves, they're literally standing on some sand and two ribbons are litterally supporiting their arms. Anybody else have an issue with the fact that in the graphic novel the sand is all swirly around Kenton and he magically rises into the air with no support?

Regarding feruchemical gold, it doesn't seem like it uses Identity to heal. I think in general this specific case, Surges are more powerful than the Metallic arts. Case in point: Regrowth can bring someone from the dead, none of the Metallic Arts can do that. So while both systems have a Healing ability, I believe it works differently. Hoid said that the Rosharan Lightweaving was very similar to the Yolish variant, in other words, same ability (Lightweaving) may be different depending what system of magic is expressing it. Any comment if my timeline is correct?

I remember reading somewhere that the Stormfather is the Cognitive Shadow of Honor, but not quite.