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I kept imagining the Oathgates surrounding the tower. Like I feel that also makes sense as it makes the Oathgates equidistant from the tower, thus not favoring any location.

Copying my thoughts from another topic: e been thinking more about Plate. I think it's pretty important that each section of plate (gauntlet, greave, etc) has a seed from which it can be regenerated. I'm not sure what that means, but it's relevant, I think. During the duel, Kaladin grabbed a gauntlet, and when it was cracked enough to shatter, he kept feeding it stormlight so it would stay together. I'm not sure if there is a WoB for this, or it's just a theory: when a KR is wearing (true/live) plate, they don't lose stormlight, they retain it perfectly. Stormlight makes KR super-strong,fast, etc. So does (dead) plate for regular people. So a KR in Plate - is the superness additive, or does Plate function differently for a KR? I'm leaning towards function differently. Might it be a last resort source of Stormlight? From above, on one hand KR can feed stormlight to plate so it doesn't shatter ( though maybe they don't need to for live plate. - Deadplate shatters with enough impacts. Blades are indestructible. So sprenshields like Syl was can take way more punishment than Plate. On the other hand, whole suit preserves a KR's stormlight - so it doesn't make sense that broken plate would suck out stormlight (to fix itself) Any thoughts about this?

*Ignoring the entire Adolin speculation* I'm not invested (ha) in any theory, so I feel that you're all like a dog chasing its tail. Or like 3 blind men looking at a clod of mud, and never having heard of plants before trying to imagine what can grow out of it. ( Sorry, but you guys are rehashing the same thing endlessly) I've been thinking more about Plate. I think it's pretty important that each section of plate (gauntlet, greave, etc) has a seed from which it can be regenerated. I'm not sure what that means, but it's relevant, I think. During the duel, Kaladin grabbed a gauntlet, and when it was cracked enough to shatter, he kept feeding it stormlight so it would stay together. I'm not sure if there is a WoB for this, or it's just a theory: when a KR is wearing (true/live) plate, they don't lose stormlight, they retain it perfectly. Stormlight makes KR super-strong,fast, etc. So does (dead) plate for regular people. So a KR in Plate - is the superness additive, or does Plate function differently for a KR? I'm leaning towards function differently. Might it be a last resort source of Stormlight? From above, on one hand KR can feed stormlight to plate so it doesn't shatter ( though maybe they don't need to for live plate. - Deadplate shatters with enough impacts. Blades are indestructible. So sprenshields like Syl was can take way more punishment than Plate. On the other hand, whole suit preserves a KR's stormlight - so it doesn't make sense that broken plate would suck out stormlight (to fix itself) I'm not sure where I'm going with this - just theorizing out loud. I'm pretty sure we'll learn more about all this in this book. Also pretty sure that subspren forming plate isn't all of it, that were missing something.

Read just a couple of comments. I'm with the worst interpretation of Option 2. Or combination of 2+3. Why? Because he's using Death Rattles to refine the diagram, get more info. And those come from Unmade. So I don't trust the Death Rattles. They may look like they're pointing at one thing when actually they mean something utterly different. Also, he's building a picture out of lots of little cryptic pieces of information. So I have a feeling that the info isn't evenly distributed, so to say, but missing stuff. It might all be true, but the Death Rattles might ignore/not mention something crucial that would totally change the overall interpretation. So that's why there's a bit of option 3. The Death Rattles add onto the diagram, but they're of Odium, so they're skewing it. In any case, I don't trust the Diagram, because some of the stuff there, I don't care how genius you are, you need a priori knowledge to get to some of those places, which I'm pretty sure Mr. T didn't have. So something, I think, was feeding him info when he had no compassion whatsoever.

I'm pretty sure Dalinar still has his plate, and no Radiants hear screams when they touch the Plate. So either if it's made of nonsentient spren that don't scream, and sentient spren don't care about them (unlikely) or something else is going on. All Shardblades and Sprenblades are unique. However, when they form, you can possibly tell the order by mist shapes, and live blades have the gylph of their order on them. So you can still see from what order dead blades came from. However, all (dead?) Plate is interchangeable. It shifts to fit the user, and has all equivalent functions. If each Nahel spren made the Plate for their bonded human, there would be differences, I think. Or there has to be a legitimate reason why plate that's made from say, windspren and (are lifespren the lower version of Wyndle) lifespren would behave and look identical.

What I'm curious about is that we know Shardblades are dead spren, live ones don't like them. No live spren have expressed opinions about Plate, though. I believe Dalinar still has his plate. Also, does Plate even bond? Or do people own it like regular stuff. It doesn't vanish into mist either.

I had a thought about dark flashbacks. In book 1, Kaladin is totally a good guy, but is a slave and depressed through outside forces. In Book 2, Shallan's backstory is darker, but she's also culpable to some extent. She was the one that killed both her parents, but also she was a kid, and self-defense. Book 3, darkest backstory of all so far. And Dalinar is a monster. He's the one doing evil stuff. So flashback pattern.

Regarding resonance - Lightweavers get Mnemonic abilities (I think it differs from individual to individual), Windrunners get squires that can use stormlight ( pretty useful - large group of super soldiers), Bondsmith sare able to co-opt other orders Surges, not sure to what extent. Truthwatchers - we'll see.

What I'm really looking for is Mr.T meeting Szeth. He's the one that really turned him into a mass murderer.

Also, it wasn't a regular kid - he was the heir. When going about conquering, you don't leave people around which resistance might form. By making the people utterly leaderless, it's easier to install your own people at the top.

Yup. Last week built up a ridiculous amount of theories about Adolin's wrist, and medical consequences were described in great detail. Now it's boom- healed. Were getting tiny bits each week so we start to obsess over irrelevant details. If we had the entire book now, Adolin's wrist wouldn't even have registered never mind contribute to a multiple page discussion.

These flashbacks are here to show us who Blackthorn was. When we read that title in WoR and tWoK, it meant very little to us - now we see it means a killer. That's the point - not to see the current nice Dalinar - but the really scary, almost amoral guy he was then. He definitely killed the kid. The shame is about Navani. Also, I read Unfettered, so ... It gets worse.

It's definitely true of Wyndle and Pattern. I have couple of WoBs:

A bit off topic, but. If gold freuchimist can heal according to their spiritual ideal, the way they see themselves, if they can change their own ideal, they can do more than heal. Maybe increase muscle mass, maybe have slight shapeshifting. Same thing with storming - if you can modify the ideal....the ability becomes more than just healing.

My point wasn't that Dalinar was broken. Just that not having the memories might have made him a different person. After all, past Blackthorn!Dalinar was not Bondsmith material.

What I'm wondering about are requirements to become a KR. Like, how much of who you were in the past affects your chances. Because I had a thought. Dalinar is missing memories of his wife, and something else. Would he have been able to become a bondsmith if he still had the memories? Would he have made the same decisions, been the same person? ... Cultivation can see the future, after all

That doesn't help: Watership Down

That was my thought also! So when Dalinar was getting into contact with other leaders, he was talking about who was in the room with him, and there roles. I didn't even think about Elokhar. Only when he opened the door, and Elokhar was mentioned in text I had a Oh, god! Moment. All that negation, with the King not even in the room, and I (the reader) didn't even notice.

I get the feeling the world will get smaller pretty soon, with the Oathgates and all. Looks like Voidbringers are focusing on Kholin.

Regarding the Parshmen. For some reason, I got the feeling that they didn't all uniformly transform into Stormform (Voidform) but might have transformed into Parshendi forms.

Gumfrem...weird name. If I rearrange the vowels, I get Gemfrum. Which sounds like gem from, and people do get gems from them. So Renarin is a legit Truthwatcher, okay. It felt like he accidentally or semi accidentally healed Adolin. But the vision is interesting. The way Adolin talks about him, that he thinks a lot, but mentions only part of what he thinks about - that seems Truthwachery. Last thread, so much discussion about the wrist, goodbye now. Travangian, oh no, oh no, oh no. Kal knows about the Diagram it's, to some extent... Yay, Dalinar has the Honorblade and understands it's potential.

Agreed

I know that, but I'm not talking from a magic mechanics point of view, but meta. I mean Navani is part of the family, yet there has been no discussion that she'll be a KR. Yes, being part of a family that has multiple Radiants is an attractant, but it still is no guarantee.

I think he won't be KR from a storytelling point of view. Like, I'm pretty sure if half of the Kholin family are KR, and the other half isn't it can drive some character development. As for doing away with the dead shards. Maybe eventually, but I got the feeling that only a limited number of spren are establishing Nahel bonds, not enough for an army against the Voidbringers. So they might as well use the dead shards to help against all void creatures.

Regarding oxygen, during Kaladin's battle with Szeth, which was taking place in/above the storms, he mentioned that the air got thinner but Stormlight was sustaining him. Urithru seems high enough that most of it is above the storms when they pass, so the air should definitely be noticeably thinner.