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Oh! Okay thanks. I will add a "mistakes" part to make what happened clear.

This came out somewhere else apparently. A newsletter update? I have just seen the discussion about this elsewhere on the forum today. EDIT: My mistake. Scratching that out now

This list will be updated as corrections come in: This list includes Live-stream Q&A Spoiler Updates Main Details Key Worldbuilding Quote: "Spores filter down from the lunagree, visible from the island some fifty or sixty miles away. That’s as close as you ever wanted to get to the lunagree–a great shimmering fountain of colorful motes, vibrant and exceedingly dangerous. The spores filled the world’s oceans, creating vast seas not of water, but of alien dust. Ships sailed that dust like ships sail water here, and you should not find that so unusual. How many other planets have you visited? Perhaps they all sail in oceans of pollen, and your home is the freakish one." The planet is called Lumar [livestream 2] The Aethers might be the moons themselves or are living upon the moons in some way This is not the homeworld of the Aethers, but a world where an offshoot of aethers are doing something different [livestream 2] There are 12 moons. There may be 12 Aethers now (up from 6) Issac says there are 11 spores [mistake? Spoiler?] Brandon, much later on, says there are 12 kinds of spores and 12 colours The moons are in geosynchronous orbit (possibly geostationary according to some comments by readers). The moons do not move in the sky, but match the same location always. The moons are arranged like a d12 dice and not in a circle around Lumar (but this could change in the final draft) There are special places where one particular moon covers 30% of the sky. These are called a Lunagree Under these Lunagree, spores fall directly down to the planet. You can see the spore-falls from more than 50 or 60 miles from the Lunagree, and you wouldnt want to be closer than that. The Aether moons drop spores of dust at the Lunagree that can infect/destroy/corrupt a body if the spores get wet. Silver (again) and salt can purify the spores. A grey spore is "dead" and cannot hurt a person. Tress' island of Diggin's Point is made of "barren black saltstone". The island itself might provide protection from spores. Diggin's Point is 50-60 miles from the Verdant Lunagree. People drink salty tea and eat salty food in this world as unsalted water is dangerous. Verdent's spores cause vines to shoot from your body. There are so many spores/dust-bits that the world has spore oceans. There appear to be 12 distinct oceans. The oceans have different colours and traits. There is an unmarried sorceress. She lives in the Midnight Sea. Verdant sees her as an enemy. She may have bonded an Aether [unconfirmed but implied] Charlie has been sent to "fight" the sorceress, but is not expected to live. A ransom request has been sent the Verdant Duke, but that ransom request has been ignored. Tress is going to go save Charlie by finding the Sorceress. Hoid: Hoid is telling this story to someone. Hoid is the "cabin boy" on one of the boats that delivers the cups from Charlie. Since Tress got many of her cups from sailors, some of her cups may have been given to her by Hoid himself Her Iriali Noble's cup "might" be authentic. It may be possible to figure out who the "audience" is for this story, but that detail is not vastly important [WOB] Hoid is telling the story withing years or decades of the book events happening The Iriali: The Iriali left this world 300 years before this story is being told The Iriali were gone one day and that event is considered a famous mystery The iriali lived on one island only It is not known where the Iriali went or why. The Iriali had their golden hair, and the golden hair seen as noteworthy and interesting The Iriali language was important enough for a Duke's son to either understand or recognize even 300 years later It is unclear if Charlie actually can read the cup as the story about the King seems unrealistic. However, Hoid may have given her that cup, so who knows what she might have in her collection. The Iriali wrote "top to bottom" instead of "left to right" like on the other cups in Tress' collection. Is this a hint that the Iriali were once on Sel? Does the Iriali leaving imply that something bad happened to this world 300 years ago? Ecological Juxtaposition The story starts by saying these are not wet oceans, yet Hoid has mentioned Earth-analogue life more than any other Cosmere series. In a world so alien, the number of terran animals is somewhat unexpected. Seeing as there appears to be no true oceans, the use of words like "whale" is somewhat suspect. Also: seals, fish, frogs, amphibians It may be that "whales" are not truly earth-analogue whales. It is possible that oceans do exist underground, or that some regions are able to support other life. The only aquatic animal we see Tress interact with is a fish she purchases. Whales and some other animals may be considered mythical or extinct Animals need to salt or silver their water as well. How is this being done? Have animals evolved? Are there different ecologies? How do trees and flowers grow naturally? Even a gardener seems like a risky profession unless we are missing something. Despite being under Verdant, attention is given to the fact that the plants are withering away. Does this imply the place used to have more trees? Has something been changing over time? There is no way to know if Tress' island is typical because the inhabitants are forbidden from leaving and seeing other places. Note: We have never seen what happens when unsalted water hits a spore. It is possible that the the people of this island are misinformed or have been directly deceived by the King in some way. Animals: It is mentioned that animals also must be careful with spores. It not mentioned if this applies to all animals or if there are spore-adapted animals. A horse is seen on one of the cups Tress laughed like an elephant-seal cobwebs are seen meaning there are spider-like creatures she buys a fish like a frog upon a lilly Pigeon pie with gravy "I was telling him the story of the fish and the whale" a "butterfly over a red ocean" is depicted on one of the cups from Charlie. amphibians honey -> honey bees someone eats eggs -> birds Charles had childhood pets Animals also must be careful with spores Water Plain water is dangerous. If it mixes with a spore, there may be life-threatening consequences. Salted or Silvered water is safe. Even human body secretions containing water may cause spores to react This is said in a way that makes the problem seem common and important Examples of safe vs unsafe secretions are not given What would you do about eye moisture? What do animals do? At least some water is sourced from underground and beneath the islands. Tress' island is an important resupply area for water. There is rain in the book [livestream 2] Animals exist on this planet. How do they salt or silver their water? Despite water being dangerous, and there not being a real ocean, water does not seem scarce. At least some water is sourced from underground and beneath the islands. Tress' island is an important resupply area for water and for salt. Poor people are able to afford fish Poor people drink salted tea People talk of elephant seals People know what whales are Alcohol exists Wood exists and doesn't seem precious Is their rain? Are there forests? Plants and Food The last tree on the island has died. Again, this implies the island was once more "verdant" Conventional farming is said to be impossible on Diggins because the saltstone ruins conventional soil over time. Wooden cups are not seen as expensive Wheat and flax are mentioned as hair colours Alcohol is mentioned Cobbler is mentioned Honey is mentioned Eggs are eaten fish is eaten small meat pie. “Pigeon,” she said, “and carrots. With a thyme-seasoned gravy.” talks of baked goods "carmel coloured" ---> sugar The Rocks and Material Under the Islands The "seas" would bunch up under each moon due to strong tidal forces. So the area under each moon would be at a very high tide permanently and the seas would be much shallower between the moons. The Rock must be a very tall mountain to be above that tide. Diggin's Point is made of barren black saltstone that can contaminate soil brought to the island here are water wells in the ground. There are salt mines deep into the island. glass is available porcelain cups are mentioned [Not finished this list. Many kinds or rock are mentioned] The Law The King forbids anyone but the Duke from leaving the island "Regardless, with the spores, the smoke, and the salt, one can perhaps see why the king needed a law requiring the population to remain on the rock. The place was so inhospitable, even the smog found it depressing. Ships visited periodically to do repairs, drop off waste for the compost vats, and take on new water. But each strictly obeyed the king’s rules: no locals were to be taken off of Diggen’s Point. Ever" The visiting sailors are instructed not to take any inhabitant off of the island. The Duke's own family has not even been allowed to accompany the King on trips (with one notable ceremonial exception to this rule) The Duke's Family is permitted to accompany the Duke in order for the Heir to find a courtly wife in another land It is unclear if servents are ever permitted to join the Duke on standard trips or this special trip. There has been no rational reason given for why this rule exists The King says he needs to ensure enough people for resupply The reader is likely supposed to be suspicious of this plot point. The Oceans and Moons/Aethers: People who bond an aether are called "aether-bound" All people who would be Verdant-bound are bonding the same individual Aether (so many people bond the same source) The basic mechanics are the same as Aether of Night. The Aethers believe they were not created by Adonalsium. This is not the homeworld of the Aethers, but a world with Aethers on it. Known Aethers or Moons or Oceans NOTE: Issac said in reply to a joke about Chicken Scouts, that he would try to "collect all 11 spores". Not sure if it is a mistake or an accidental spoiler Verdant/Emerald Causes vines to grow out of people if the spore gets wet "The least bit of water would cause the spores to sprout explosively, and the results could range from uncomfortable to deadly. Breathe in a burst of verdant spores, for example, and your saliva would send vines growing up out your mouth–or, in more interesting cases, into your sinuses and out around your eyes." Tress' island is not verdant in a "lush greenery" sense. The only tree is dead and there are some potted plant mentioned. "The only food the island grew came from compost vats" Crimson Slightly less dangerous than Midnight an unpopulated sea Azure Golden Midnight/Night the most dangerous seas and is where the sorceress lives Must cross Crimson to get there from Verdant "He sailed the Midnight sea, Miss Tress, underneath Thanasmia's own moon" Dormancy [Possibly] The new princess is from a place called Dormancy. Most Aethers on this list are colour-oriented, but non-cannon Aethers did not all have colour names. Roseite is mentioned in Spoiler Stream 2 The Location inspiration and Dialect of English Used The names like Charlie and Brunswick are very British Isles or Canadian East Coast The islands themselves remind me of New Brunswick or Newfoundland in Canada Uses British or Non-American words like calling someone a "strumpet" From Other Books or Wobs Foil (a character) Foil is an unknown entity in the cosmere that lives deep in an ocean. He has often claimed that his goal is to master the aethers. Khriss believes the discovery of anti-Light proves that she was right on a specific disagreement they had and that he should listen to her theories if he truly wishes to control the aethers.[1] Coppermind (may not be true anymore, but interesting) Only certain people can activate aethers, and physical pieces of aether are not particularly useful to anyone else.[7] Even cosmere scholars such as those in Silverlight do not yet understand how to control them Aether of Night The basic mechanics of Aether of Nights are still true on the Aether of Night planet. However, as Lumar Aethers are an offshoot of the Aether of Night world, perhaps some things are now diffferent THE 6 AETHER OF NIGHT AETHERS: (Credit to Frustration) Verdant allows the user to create vines, like an organic version of spiderman. Shoots are also edible and widley consumed. Amberite allows it's user to create rock-like growths on their skin, and force them to fall off, this is used to make weapons and armor Beastarian allows you to graft animal parts over your injuries Corprate allows one to turn themselves into a machine, such as a walker, heater or even just a support beam, called corprates, however this change is perminent. Illumous allows one to teleport other people Night allows one to teleport themselves, and others if they are close enough Stormlight: Mraize has a pink aether in his curiosity cabinet A servant scrubs out an aether stain from Mraize's clothes. The Audience: Note: It is unclear how "pure" this retelling is. It is uncertain and unstated whether or not Hoid is using translation/connection magic to make terminology translate more smoothly, or if this a literal and intentional usage of specific language like "geosync" or "whale" to his audience. The exact audience has not been set by Brandon yet The number of Earth Animals mentioned would make this harder for a Rosharian to understand Kaladin was told a story about a dog, but the fact Kal didn't know what a dog was was highlighted in that story. The Iriali being mentioned may be a hint of some kind. Some science-literate terms used like the phrase 'her planets had 12 moons is a very low geosynchronous orbit', Could be a retelling to an advanced civilization or an educated scholar class? Knows Hoid by the name 'Hoid'; wouldn't be surprised to see him insert himself into the story. Seems to imply that the person/people he is talking to have not Worldhopped or seen many "alien" ecologies Hoid is telling the story withing years or decades of the book events happening The Cups: [Note: Brandon has said only the Iriali cup has cosmere significance] She had fine porcelain cups with painted glaze Some clay cups that felt rough beneath her fingers wooden cups that looked rugged and well-used She’d sip salty tea from a cup with horses painted on it It was made completely of tin, stamped with letters in a language that ran from up to down, instead of left to right. It’s old Iriali,” he said. “They vanished, you know. The entire people: poof. Away they went, gone one day, their island left uninhabited. Now, that was three hundred years ago, so nobody alive has ever met one of them, but they supposedly had golden hair. Like yours, the color of sunlight. “I’d wager this cup has quite the history,” he said. “Forged for an Iriali nobleman the day before he–and his people–were taken by the gods. The cup was left on the table, to be collected by the poor fisherwoman who first arrived on the island and discovered the horror of an entire people gone. She passed the cup down to her grandson–who became a pirate, a deadrunner even. He eventually buried his ill-gotten treasure deep beneath the spores. Only to be recovered now, after eons in darkness, to find its way to your hands.” He held the cup up to catch the light. When the first [GIFT] cup arrived. It was delivered by Hoid the cabin boy. A beautiful porcelain cup, without even a single chip in it. It came with a letter and a card with a little drawing: two gloved hands holding to one another. The second [GIFT] cup was made of pure red glass, tall and thin, like it was meant to appear as if it contained more liquid than it did. Perhaps it was from a particularly stingy tavern. The third [GIFT] cup was a good, solid pewter mug with heft to it. Perhaps it was from one of those places Charlie had made up, where people always needed to carry weapons. Tress was reasonably certain she could knock out an attacker by swinging this cup. T The fourth [GIFT] package didn’t have a letter with it, just a cup with a painted butterfly on it with a red ocean underneath. She found it odd that the butterfly wasn’t terrified of the spores, but maybe it was a prisoner butterfly, being forced to fly out over the ocean to its doom. The Fifth Gift Cup: He wanted me to give you this,” Flik said, handing her a small sack. It tinkled as she took it. Inside where broken pieces of ceramic. Metaphors: Charlie is a royal pretending to be a "gardener" under "verdant". Despite the name of his moon, his island's last tree has just died. Tress is a woman who loves cups, but can only fill them with salted water (salted water would kill a plant). Mistakes I Made When Making This List: Update on Release Day This story is before Stormlight as Sigzil likely knows the tale ------------------------- Does anyone have a list of Irali metaphors that were used by a certain character in Stormlight? I wonder if any of those will be easter eggs in this story.

Seems like the story is teaching soemone to fight for their love despite society's norms. So, maybe it is for Renarin?

Since Renarin/Adolin's mother is Rira (and ethnically Iriali), I suspect this story is being told to Renarin in the in-world present.

He also said this is Secret Project 2

Yes. He has said book 4 requires the most background knowledge and explores a character we know. So either Silence Divine (can see floating cities maybe and a Herald) or Silverlight (tech mixing and Kriss/Nazh)

About Book 2 or 3

I am not convinced this is real as the font is intentionally weird but Fain ___ ____ ___ ____ Cosmere Emeld (Emerald?)?

About Book 1 and Book 3

Here are the stand-in covers they are using for marketing. These are not final but do give a sense of what each book is about: Click only if you want it spoiled. Not much to gleam, but it is obvious that the Blue Book Is Non-Cosmere as there is a map visible.

Here are the mock-up non-final covers: Click only if you want to have it spoiled. However, having seen the covers, I am no closer to knowing what these might be about. The only thing I can gleam is that the Blue Cover looks too silly to be Cosmere.

I wonder if he wrote The Silence Divine (or a new version) during Covid. Brandon has mentioned the series at least twice during live signings and has admitted he has recieved many request for that series now, so I am a little suspicious he followed through. Writing that book might also take some pressure off of the 5th Stormlight to explain any of the pre-history Herald or pre-history Odium stuff (and sets us up for the back five)

As so many of these are gits for his wife Emily, does anyone know who her favourite characters or worlds are?

I've always wondered, and considering what Brandon has been going through lately, who are Emily's favourite comsmere characters?

Something seems profoundly off with Gavinor. To me it seemed clear there are going to be major issues with that child going forward.

If anything, I feel I have personally heard the most dislike for Rythm of War (pacing, balance, video-game fight scenes over and over)

To me the crown always seemed like Jezrian (he wears a crown in his images), so I thought a spearman might become the new Jezrian.

Well Denth would likely select one and turn it on to consume it (or maybe the body will reach for a turned-off breath on it's own). Denth seemed a little more mentally out together than Vasher and likely had made better arangements to resupply breath.

There is some way of having breath on you turning-off that breath in some way (Vasher does this).

I think Cultivation is clearly into the idea of trying out new combinations.

I always felt Odium worked with Dominion to Kill Devotion, but then turned on Dominion, but I have no basis for this other than tropes of how those two shards might work.

Only expanation is that Infant-Shallan was a Windrunner and broke that bond even before bonding Testement.

I wish we had seen a herald return to Braize on screen. Maybe they do emit some light/investiture as they pass on to Braize?