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So it's going to be a "Butter" knife?
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I think the assumption that was most influncing my stance was the belief that the Mistwraiths were entirely finite in number, created by the Lord Ruler. If they can actually breed it would "Any old piece of Invested Metal" doesnt count for Hemalurgy, but per the WOB I posted it does count specifically for Blessings, and would be sufficient for a Kandra. I know it doesnt seem to entirely match Scadrial's in-world lore, but there you have it. Best guess is that this is just another example of the Lord Ruler's misinformation campaign.
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I agree, I dont think Radiant Soulcasters need gems for any particular piece of their Soulcasting. Like any other Surge I figure they just need to have a sufficient store of Stormlight available, let alone needing specific gems like the fabrials. But the following WOB seems to imply the opposite: I find it interesting to note that in the original drafts, Brandon had Soulcasting set to be a power all Radiant's shared, like the healing.
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In Era 1 the Lord Ruler made new generations relatively often, so he had all the Kandra he wanted to have. Since then, I think a lot of it comes down to Harmony not being a huge fan of Hemalurgy in general. It's not particualrly hard to make a Kandra, but it take two hemalurgic victims to create the needed blessings, plus the initial Human Victim that needs to be first turned into a Mistwraith with another act of Hemalurgy. For what it's worth, any pointy Invested piece of metal can work in place of actual Hemalurgic spikes for a Blessing, so in theory a sufficiently Invested Metalmind should do just as well, but it would still take the initial hemalurgic mutilation of a human to create the required Mistwraith.
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I wouldnt say it is limitless, it's just that it's limits are more quantitative than qualitative. Soulcasting as a magic can theoretically created any non-invested object the Soulcaster can imagine, but they need a)in "innate understanding and practice" so it's going to require a dedicated specialty, b) they need a single existing donor object to convince to change, which needs to be comparable size, and c) they need sufficient Stormlight to actually accomplish the change (whcih burns through Gems faster than almost any other use).
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I would argue that fungus is at least as homogeneous as wood (both on visual inspection and microscopically), and we know they soulcast things into wood. Beyond that, I don't think to be homogeneous, it's just that "Soulcasting anything other than the basic Essence requires some innate knowledge and practice", and what's more it specifically takes a Radiant rather than a Fabrial (which are significantly less flexible). There's also This WOB that says it's not just a matter of the Soulcaster having the knowledge, they would in turn need to get the Spren to understand it. All that to say that the WOB's imply it's a limit of understanding and/or education rather than any actual limitation of the Magic System itself. The Essences are just the default substances that are easiest to accomplish.
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I think the question that still remains it why you are asserting that Processed Grain be less homogeneous than a Mushroom. I (and Im guessing @Pathfinder) see them as falling into the same category.
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I dont think we can count on that, at least in light of the fact that (under the Essences) it is easier to make Blood than Water with a Garnet, even though Water is scientifically the less complicated fluid by a wide margin.
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Agreed. As far as I know the only thing that currently points to them working differently is that one statement from Renarin, who remains an unreliable example to use. Hopefully we'll get a look at Lift using Regrowth more, and maybe Navani will have some luck recreating the Regrowth Fabrial that she inspected in the Vision.
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Can Shallan make people more receptive to healing?
Quantus replied to Q10fanatic's topic in Stormlight Archive
For what it's worth, Ive been kicking around a realmic explanation for Lightweaver Memory as a Resonance effect, the short version is the idea that when she takes her memory Snapshot she is creating a sort of artificial Cognitive Aspect for a new object (ie a piece of art), and the reason she she looses the perfect memory when she draws it out is that the artificial Cognitive Aspect (ie a bead in Shadesmar) gets anchored to the new Art and becomes the natural Cognitive Aspect of the object. In theory, this is related to Soulcasting in that it lets you redefine the cognitive aspect of a given object; and can be extended to encompass the idea that a Lightweaver can use a similar process to help a person Change their own self-image. I think it would still fall into the same level of Influence as Soothers/Rioters, as opposed to Forgery or full Soulcasting which can wildly change a thing/person against their will. -
Honestly I read this one in particular as the opposite of how I think you are: it sounds to me like it's saying that Healing via Stormlight and Healing via Regrowth have some sort of difference in how they interact with Self-Image.
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That's interesting. Kolos definitely could not prior to Harmony making that tweek, but Id argue they are less of a 'construct' than the Inquisitors, but the inquisitors are clearly more heavily modified by virture of them needing a lynchpin Spike to hold them together. Maybe the ability to breed shouldnt be the cutoff for COnstruct vs modified person. Or maybe we need to consider the point where a hemalurgically modified construct becomes a Shardically created species.
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I don't understand the Oathpact or the Desolations at ALL
Quantus replied to Eran of Arcadia's topic in Stormlight Archive
The short version is that Nobody actually knows all the details or implications of the Oathpact. Right now we only know a few details for certain. We know that the Oathpact is related to Odium being trapped in the rosharan system but that "[Odium's] being bound is greater than the Oathpact." We know that the Heralds were alive and still human at the time of the great migration. We knwo that part of it involved Honor empowering ten Humans to become Heralds. We know that the pattern they were stuck in was to return to Roshar, fight Odium's forces, and then die and return to Braize where they were eventually found and tortured by odium's forces there, and that should any of them break under the torture they would all return to fight another desolation on Roshar. -
Another line between Human and Construct might be the point after which you can no longer breed and make more Humans. Kolos where definitely incapable until Harmony made some intentional tweaks, and mistwraiths/Kandra even more so. Not sure where the average Inquisator fell on that spectrum, though.
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The Heralds should probably make the list, on account of them being relatively lynchpin elements to Rayse's imprisonment and all of them being entirely kookoo. Ishar in particular, as I have fairly high expectations for what a Bondsmith should be able to do, and one that is entirely unhindered by Oaths who happens to also be known as Binder of Gods is likely something that can do damage on a pretty wide scale.
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fused [OB] Let’s discuss. How the Fused use Voidlight
Quantus replied to SzethIsBadAsHell's topic in Stormlight Archive
On one hand that would make sense. On the other hand that would imply something akin to a stomach and Investiture digestive process; which seems odd to me but then even Nightblood gets overloaded and Drunk on Investiture when he eats too much. The alternative is that they are perpetually hungry and will swell to however much Investiture is available, but if nothing else that makes them pretty damnation dangerous. That's a great datapoint! So it sounds like the Larkin is only able to eat static, stored Investiture, not that tied up in a being. Since you just reviewed the scene, any mention of it eating any sort of kinetic Investiture effect (an active Surge or anything) or for that matter feeding directly from the Perpendicularity? It's starting to sound like they only eat stored investiture (in a person or a gem).- 67 replies
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fused [OB] Let’s discuss. How the Fused use Voidlight
Quantus replied to SzethIsBadAsHell's topic in Stormlight Archive
It's possible that Larkin have difficulty eating spren, particularly the more sapient spren that appear to be proportionally more Invested. On the other hand, it's possible that Spren have simply learned to avoid larkin like the embodiment of Investiture death that they are, purely as a survival adaptation. Between the bond and the internal nature of the Gemheart, I think you are probably right. I do wonder if they could suck one out of a Fabrial though. If so, a larkin might even be able to eat a trapped UnMade, which has some serious tactical implications.- 67 replies
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fused [OB] Let’s discuss. How the Fused use Voidlight
Quantus replied to SzethIsBadAsHell's topic in Stormlight Archive
Almost certainly less Invested compared to sapient spren at least, insofar as that scale goes. I suppose I expect that if larkin can suck the spren out of a fabrial (do we have an example of this?), there's a reasonable chance they could get sucked out of the Singers (or greatshells, etc). Unless the gemheart bond Form change offer some Identity-based protection against Investiture effects the same way plate does, which is entirely possible. Although now that I say that, being inside a Singer might be enough protection all on it's own, if we look at pushing on metal inside a person as an example.- 67 replies
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Deep change in attitude and access to Stormlight. Jury's out on whether Regrowth would still work years after the initial injury.
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I took this as a reference to how Dalinar faces a similar time-constraint when he uses his surges to repair an inanimate object, not a referenc to his own generic Radiant healing, but I could easily be wrong. This makes sense too, in that I fully expect her to be unable to heal herself even if she became radiant. To be clear the theory is that Self-image will still override and prevent healing if the person has accepted it, regardless of time. It's just that, per the passage you quoted, Regrowth used on somebody else seems to also be limited to recent injuries.
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Hemalurgy is really just a process that lets you Frankenstein together pieces of Spiritweb into different forms for different purposes, and Kolos where simply one specific and often repeated design built for gross physical strength, basically shock troops. Inquisitors were built for a different purpose, and with more variation, but tended to be more about consolidating Metallic Arts abilities. There's no realy tipping point, they are just different designs (Tanks vs...I dunno...Helicopters?)
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fused [OB] Let’s discuss. How the Fused use Voidlight
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Oh, damnation, ya that kills it, at least for that instance. Im still curious what would happen to a normal Singer, if a Larkin could eat the Spren out of their gemheart and force them out of their form.- 67 replies
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From what Ive seen, I think she can only do the Capture bit with what she actually Observes, and still has to engage her own normal artistic skill for any 'photoshopping' (either changes or additions) which would then filter back to the cognitive bead of the drawing at the normal pace. Though I suppose it's possibly that she could learn to include alterations with the initial capture; I dont know if she's even ever actually tried, she seems to treat the ability purely as a mental Polaroid. Even that was a matter of days though, whereas Lopen had been missing an arm for years. Renarin was healing enough folks at the hospital to run into a bunch of people and correlate the ones he couldnt heal to those that had been injured longest, and I find it a little hard to believe that it was all due to that many people just accepting their new situation unusually quickly and coincidentally being the earliest injuries. Given how so many of the other investiture functions work, it makes sense to me that there would be a functional difference between healing yourself with your own investiture and Slef-image, versus infusing somebody else with Investiture to get it done.
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I agree, though it makes me a little sad since it sounds like it's mostly a Doylistic choice, but I cannot figure out any in-world reason why Allomancy would create savants but Compounded Feruchemcy would not. I can understand why normal feruchemy wouldnt do it, because the raw quantities of Investiture are lower and more naturally limited, but the whole point of Compounding is that you are getting Allomantic quantities that are just converted to Feruchemical flavors.
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fused [OB] Let’s discuss. How the Fused use Voidlight
Quantus replied to SzethIsBadAsHell's topic in Stormlight Archive
Any Shard is (for all practical purposes) Infinite in their total energy, so Voidlight is going to be so just like Allomantic preservation Power, the Dor, etc. But just like all the other examples we know, it takes a Connection, a Conduit, to get that energy from the Spiritual Realm to the Physical. So far that has either been a finite Connection directly back to the Shard (like Allomancy), the Storm for Honor, or the natural realmic Connection within a person for Feruchemy or Breaths. Honestly I think the best explanation for the Larkin v. Fused instance is even simpler: The larkin simply Ate the cognitive shadow right out of the host. The Fused ARE Investiture, they are just cognitive Shadows riding piggyback on Singer bodies while inhabiting their Gemheart, so they'd be just as vulnerable to a Larkin's appetite as inert stormlight sitting in a gem, or any spren for that matter. Which, now that I think about it, likely means that a Larkin could forcibly remove a Singer's Form by eating the spren that was residing in their Gemheart.- 67 replies
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