Kasimir

@The Bald Brandon: I'm going to shorten this to one response: if you don't like it, tie the vote. I'm absolutely happy to have my name in the ring to be tied against you. I'm very cool with a no lynch, and at this point, I really do not give a damn about dying. If a no vote was a viable option, I'd go for it, but as it stands, having a completely empty vote slate allows the Elims to do whatever and that's worse. As of my last count, there are 66 expletives in Threnody that begin with f, some of which need to be ctrl+f ed, and most of them have to do with this game. The promised conversion profile thoughts: Fadran is a capital C Choice. He hasn't been active since C2. This means that it's unlikely he was converted any later than N2. But at the same time, Archer was also acting pretty Evil by D2. So this makes Archer and Fadran likely early converts. Comment: Fadran doesn't really feel like an Araris choice. (I'm not really sure he feels like a TJ choice either, tbh.) Theory/hypothesis: Fadran feels like a low-lying profile choice. I'm more tempted to think Archer was N0 and potentially, Fadran was N1. But N2 is still possible considering Fadran went silent after that. It feels like a conversion choice that was a direct response to not having a kill. This might imply (also my hypothesis for now) that the conversions of the AC team skew quiet/low-lying - possibly to try to avoid getting hit by controlled NKs.) It's possible to theorise that Archer's claim that the vocal players were all likely Village was meant to shield teammates. It's hard to speculate off two divergent datapoints, but let's look at who's left. It sure as hell ain't me, it ain't gonna be Szeth, Drake and JNV are immune to conversion. I currently V!read TJ. If we run with that theory, it functionally has to be in <TBB, Araris, Wiz.> And Fadran is off the wall as a choice, which skews closer to TBB or Wiz, who are players just unorthodox enough to consider a move like that. The flip side IMO is that if we're going off a conversion profile, TBB is a bit more in the pool than Wiz, due to the events of D4. I do still have Turtle as a Hoid candidate. (I could see a Fadran conversion coming from Turtle as well.) I don't feel Fae is a realistic choice, but anyway, Fae and Turtle are both on death row. The fact that I think at least one of them could be converted or Hoid is sort of why I'm okay with slow-walking this exe: I feel like the flip here is going to be extremely informative in terms of telling us more decisively about the conversion profile. I don't think the Wiz meta read is rock solid, btw, which is why I found it E!indicative that both Elan and Mat backed down. It's not as strong as they acted it was. That being said, I do think it's decent reason to V!read Wiz. We don't have very many active/vocal players left, which is why I'd like a bit more information before acting. For pretty obvious reasons if you think about what it entails. I'm also fairly transparent about my motives in terms of wanting to buy JNV more time, so I am alright with not being exceptionally aggressive today. I will say that off the D3 voting data, Araris is not a bad push either. I just don't really know because he doesn't have too much of a record in this game and kind of want to give him a chance. I am also fine with a tie between TBB and Araris. I feel that most of TBB's defense amounts to claims about his play more than claims that emerge in his play. Something that stood out to me was I think an earlier cycle claim in Roshar about having offered more reads and I checked the thread and just couldn't find any point where he proactively offered reads past that one of me. Things like that: telling me you've done X =/= having done X. I guess this is more directed at the dead people: yeah I'll admit I'm kind of indifferent. Honestly I'm pretty done with this game so I don't particularly care about getting sent to Valhalla. Edited to add: One way or another, like it or not, as much as you can argue my play and shielding the murderpuppy hasn't been particularly Village, I am Village. DeTess died Village. I'm not entertaining an E!Szeth world and JNV is now Ruin. This means that if you search your own GM PMs ( @|TJ| and @The Bald Brandon) and say you're both Village as well, we have to accept that the conversion choice is either in <Araris, Walin, Wiz>, or within <Fae, Turtle>. CBA if I forgot someone, if I forgot them, they probably belong with Turtle. I lean V! on Wiz, sort of vaguely willing to buy V!Walin, and am sentimental enough to give Araris a chance (that but also do feel that votes aside, some of Araris's behaviour e.g. hopping to Roshar) don't really seem to fit an E!Araris world that well. Long story short: I'm humouring TJ's reads, but also pragmatically the fact we are losing two players and can't do anything about it is significant where the game timer is concerned. Even more so since the <Turtle, Fae> flip probably helps us nuke a possibility about where the ACs are. Fadran is throwing me off just enough to struggle with the conversion profile, because if Fadran was a N2 convert (if we take his silencing point as conversion), then we still have N1 to account for, which is where <Fae, Walin, Araris> re-enter the picture. To say nothing about Hoid. Fae did the N1 vote (I think?) - either N1 or N2 - that got her sussed the next day by Mat, so it's entirely possible she was an early convert as well if Hoid went thoroughly low-lying. (But again, that's a strategic choice I feel is reflective of <TBB, Wiz, Walin> and I lean V on Wiz for now.) Not the most coherent argument, I love meds, but there you go. That's sort of my mess of thoughts at the moment. Edited to add 2: I guess the thing about the Roshar hop is I could see it from TBB or Araris on a Hoid team that has realised Fadran is not coming back to life, or they don't have the numbers to Shard grab. In that light, a team that stays on Silverlight might be more odd.

Christ on a pogo stick this thread is frakking dead. I'm probably high on whatever Drake's huffing, must be the Threnody rave crem so: @|TJ| I trust you. So you say you've been on the mark for everyone who ain't me? (Not letting this go yet, Christ, stop paranoiding on me already.) TBB lesgo Szeth is Village. End of. My response to Araris stands. I'm either Autonomy or Village. If I'm Autonomy, I'm a pretty Village-sided Aut, so my defense of Szeth shouldn't be weird, and you can check out the logic for yourself on N5. TJ is Village. Search your GM PM, you know this to be true. I'm not entertaining paranoid worlds where you or DeTess bussed Archer, and whatever if you're still huffing Me = Aut crack, I'll stick with my V!read of you. performative lies whatever blah blah blah, I'm done. If you're doing this to scam me, you're doing this to scam me, I don't really give a damn anymore. IDK about Araris. Honestly he still looks sus af to me off Archer's C3 and his N5 Szeth push but suppose I want to give him a chance for now. We know I get this way about Araris. (There are also reasons for this I wanna get into in a bit.) V!lean on Wiz. Tone stuff, re-engaged him in PMs, was prepping him as a bit of an ace up the Village's sleeve against Aut, but let's be real, whatever. I'm not in a very rally the Village mood this game, sorry not sorry. Agree with DeTess's reasoning about E!Wiz performatively voting v. Archer. Don't feel strongly about this. Technically E!lean on Walin. Mostly to do with Archer missing some easy shots, but Archer does that, and honestly before Archer and Mat sussed Walin for it, I V-read Walin.. Also roleblocked him last Night. Sorry not sorry. Don't know if I want to keep on the E!Walin read. We are going to lose Fae and Turtle this cycle, one way or another. I think this is pretty clear: no PHs and they are not checking back in. Or it's very unlikely. Seriously how high do you have to be not to work out Drake is Aut? Like I can get rantier about this but I thought it was pretty obvious like yes I have a thing for adorable murderpuppies where I'll take them home and shelter them but also like, Drake man, y'all know I do kayana things for bros, and my read of Drake was the most inconsistent thing ever where I had to repeatedly insist I had a gut Evil read of him because I wasn't gonna lie and V!read him for the Village but also wasn't gonna say anything more, resulting in me having to theorise he was AC even though that was just stupid as all hell. Good freakin' God. And don't @ me Szeth I may not have outing him but I kept going, "Are you sure though I really have to say I have a negative read of him" when you wanted to use Drake. You E read me then, which I get, but I Tried. My view of the Village's overall strategic situation: Archer + Fadran is a frakking weird conversion profile that needs more work. We are committed, no matter what, to giving JNV extra time. Sorry not sorry, will oppose any player who wants to speedrun the game against JNV. We could theoretically simply not vote today. I am ok with relaxing thread pressure for a cycle because we are having two flips this Turn. I am not confident that Hoid hasn't actually been converting among low activity players because Fadran is a Choice I have more thoughts about later on. FWIW I don't think Fadran is an Araris choice. I don't think not voting is a good choice (so don't @ me dead people.) Largely because we can't stop hammers so it's stupid to relax. When all's said and done, I don't have a rock solid V read on TBB and agree with DeTess about the possibility of an Elim bus on Archer because we now know the voting situation was the way it is. So my view: either we lynch TBB this cycle or TBB manages to wrangle a tie. I don't really give a damn either way as both outcomes are acceptable to me. You felt and Mat felt the Archer vote had distancing vibes, so let's go with this. I trust you, you are also my bro and you say your reads have been dead on this game except, apparently, for me. And you V!read Araris early on. Edited to add: Oh yeah the c/p error thing was my fault. I basically phished Drake by sending him a link. So it was all my fault which is why I'm refusing to out or act against him but he's on openwolfing mode so whatever, screw it. Which is apparently my mood for this game.

To be quite honest I'm having a terrible amount of difficulty giving a damn about anything right now in light of TJ Bhai's terrible betrayal and in light of whatever the f Drake thinks he's doing.

HOW AM I STILL AUT TO YOU EVEN CYCLES LATER OF VILLAGING AS HARD AS I EVER HAVE IN MY DAMN LIFE SMDFH Totally voting you for at least the first 24 hours out of Principle.

Anyway TJ Keeping it there on sheer damn principle for now smdfh Aut my arse.

No comment. I need a drink. And an aspirin. Do you want one too. Edited to add: There's a reason it's called sarkasm smh

Clearly I am Aut, playing exactly how I did in LG83 because I'm way too Village oriented and then just referring to Aut as though Aut were someone else and having solving goodtimes. This explains why Aut seems to be more chatty to me than basically anyone else, yes.

how the f do you think i feel bro -.- Edited to add: Sorry I should stop swearing but I don't seem to be able to bloody hell

Doesn't the fact that I'm actually surprised by Drake's post therefore imply............... ............................................ ....................................................... ? A) Drake is not in fact Aut B ) Drake is a cursed murderpuppy with impulse control problems C) I'm not drunk enough for this drek smh D) All of the above E) wait some form of all of the above but 'I'm not playing twenty questions about who Aut is but also what the f seriously just happened' Edited to add: Dead people don't judge. I'm just honestly too done for this drek today. I'm not going to do anything. I'm done.

There you go, validated, clearly I'm the real Autonomy, and you both are bargain-bin knock-offs. You can tell from the fact that I have no bloody idea what the f just f happened in the thread and I am absolutely done with this -.-

Says the guy who said I was Autonomy smh Aren't you implying that clearly I've been the real Autonomy all along and Drake's the imposter?

what the actual f-

Urgh. Asked for the STINK shot instead of blowing up the planet on the hope he was Hoid, then downplayed suspicion of STINK in thread in case of protects. Largely has to do with Archer completely ignoring STINK, and the fact that based off Archer, Walin and Araris both look sus (there's also a sus interaction with Turtle), so connecting them to STINK makes a tad more sense than connecting them to Turtle. And V!Detess? What the hell was with that shot even? @DrakeMarshall That you? Edited to add: On the bright side, I guess this means that AC is officially 2 players left? Hoid and a flunky?

Threnody rn, colorised:

Cheers, so I guess that confirms my theory then! Well, it happens, no need to get overexcited about

You and Archer both pushed Szeth D3 and Szeth nearly died. The maximum Szeth D3 train size was five votes, and until I staged a last minute intervention convenience CW onto Xino, the only player conceivable as a CW that I had in PoE in sheer 'Idgaf' territory. Mat, for all his talk about Szeth being his 'top V read' made no attempt to save Szeth. I was the Numba Wan Szeth defender. If you want to postulate E!Szeth, then you need: A. To reason that Archer, a flipped Elim, was thoroughly ok with letting Szeth die B. To figure that Hoid was okay with the amount of high attention Szeth received D2/D3, or C. To figure that Mat, who had aggressively defended Szeth, then went on to convert Szeth, also despite that high attention. For B or C, I'll note that you felt high attention was a good reason to V read Archer. I would wager that Szeth would've died if I hadn't been insistent on intervening D3. D. Probably E!me, given I'm Numba Wan Szeth defender We can postulate that, I suppose. I kind of think Szeth just has bad phrasing. Read charitably, Szeth's claim can probably be taken like this: "There is at least one lurker/low activity player on Team Hoid," which seems more palatable - they'd be fools to put all their eggs in one basket. No one intentionally converts an inactive, but it's easy for a low activity player to slip into inactivity. Definitely looking at the <Walin, Turtle> pool mostly for it. There's a side of STINK but I actually like STINK's tone the more I re-read his posts, it's very at ease and - Oh dear God here I am again getting into things when I'm at a RAVE and I'm gonna have fun! >:P

I'd lean strongly against Fae for SoU, probably a bit for AC as well due to intense inactivity both in this game and all known past games. Mat's profile as a converter indicates he would've not liked that at all. I could see an E!Walin world, FWIW. Archer was strangely lenient on Walin - voted him briefly on D3, which could be a temporary distancing vote. Walin was next to TBB (dead bottom) on Archer's readslist, but Archer strangely listed him as "reads pending." TBB got way more flack from Archer and you'd expect E!Archer to seize on Walin as an easy bushwhack target. Probably more that can be said about this, but tonight I'm at an Apocalypse Rave and wanna just chill after the analysis explosion of last Turn >:D

Have you tried switching it off and on again? Or getting a refund?

Everyone's definitely not Village because Aut showed up to party with yet another new Avatar, but right now, Threnody's just been memes and music, I'm all gamed out after casing Araris and the whatever of last Turn. Just need a damned break. Edited to add: @FROST: Keep in mind that Threnody's going to blow up tonight. Drake can't make a shot, so we're just chilling at the rave. You're better off spending your action on Containment Watch for a PoE, if not something else.

You're the one deciding you're too cool for raves smh smh take some responsibility there :eyes:

Fair. I'm leaning Araris, but that's the way it is: Araris case, and pretty much nothing from STINK.

I'm down with Araris, having cased him pretty extensively yesterday and feel STINK has been lurking in Hoid PoE so is worth resolving. But would like to know if have a STINK case?

I always do.

good point u stabbed gavilar i guess that makes u a bad vorin women u & adolin both clearly need therapy your thoughts betray u i can sense the conflict in u its not too late to let go of ur hate return to the Force is it theft if im just borrowin' from my bro :eyes: oh where the memes are prequels and the jokes don't matter! isn't that why we are plotting crypto fevermeme game where players pay for the privilege of seeing a flip? :eyes: smh bro i like to mock it as u very well know u know this b/c u were memeing the crem out of it smh people reading without posting people lurking without voting and the cries of the living are breaking on the silent - screwit i can't parody sound of silence in under a minute im so sorry real art takes time

Thanks, I'll get on it next Turn, as there's maybe fifteen minutes left. Either way I'll flag everyone inactive so it's easy to catch by following the chain. I'll try to see if there's a simple/fast format. Either way, all the best with the exam! Edited to add: Ngl guys, TJ's gonna shoot me for this but worldhopping always feels like: