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  1. Kasimir
    So sure of that, are you? Hmm?
  2. Kasimir
    Quick response as this is on mobile--Alv. 1. I don't really see the point of "making a spectacle of coming across as less knowledgeable thsn I really am." It's not as though I'm asking basic questions to pretend to be clueless--I'm pushing for a clearer picture of role interactions, and I didn't see the point in privately putting the questions in a PM because until the main thread was locked, I'd been updating and compiling all the existing clarifications in a single post. (Obviously, you're welcome to check to make sure I haven't been manipulating things.) Putting all the stuff in-thread rather than in PMs was more expedient to that end. 2. Because observations are all I have. First, because if you don't bring up even 'obvious' observations, it seems they get overlooked. Second, if it's not already clear, I'm neither an assertive/forceful player nor person. I don't like to set grand plans and force everyone to go along with them. That is par for the course for me: I've always observed and made suggestions and I like to present options rather than tie everyone down. That's why I suggested we had to do something about the lighteyes vote and mentioned options but didn't want to tie it down. Don't like that? Sure, lynch me. It's not as though I've bothered to deny being a Spy and I'm clearly not helpful enough for the playstyle everyone wants this time, I guess. 3. I brought up the possibility of Ash's death simply as a response to Jain. Apparently, I'm also telling my other Spy brethren what to do, because they couldn't have figured it out for themselves or used a different plan. Well, ok. Don't let me stop you. Don't stop believin'.
  3. Kasimir
    When you're taking a quick check of 17th Shard even though you have exams tomorrow Guilty, guilty, guilty.
  4. Kasimir
    Alinel. I know we're usually at loggerheads over that, but you do usually have a plan in most of the games we've played together. What do you have in mind at the moment? In addition, I think we should be considering the possibility that it doesn't necessarily make sense for our standard 'threat-kill' strategy as Eliminators to work out very well in this game. Think about it: there are x number of Eliminator teams who don't know who each other are. If players haven't been giving out clear markers of being loyal to Dalinar (and perhaps even then), killing a player just because that player's good is damaging. Let me make it clearer: think about what happened in LG7, when Sart targeted Meta. The whole point of that, as we discussed, is that it doesn't really make sense to attack good players in the hopes that they aren't on your side. It's blind, and at worst, you likely shoot yourself in the foot. My suggestion is that at this point, this is exactly the predicament confronting Spy teams. (And I'm not saying this because I'm a Spy ) You could kill the brilliantly scary players, but if they turn out to be Spies from different teams, then you're knee-deep in crem. In which case, Eliminator strategy might take a different turn. They might be struggling--just as we are--to figure out who the other Eliminators are likely to be, and until then, they're going to be more cautious about their kills. And of course, it would be remiss of me, as one of the two surviving representatives of the House of Paranoia, not to even consider the possibility that some of the players we're puzzled about (see: why aren't they dead? They're usually dead?) are on a Spy team, and their team's kill made it through. I don't think we can entirely rule that out yet. Edit: I greened out Araris, because I brilliantly got confused by the Ookla there and didn't realise he was the Ookla in question. My apologies! Well, then, I'd like to flag Alv. I know you generally like to keep in the background on the thread, but what do you make of things so far?
  5. Kasimir
    Sorry, Aonar, I'm the Wit you deserve, but not the one you need right now
  6. Kasimir
    Sorry, guv, I swear we ent collab'ratin'! Wir sind Wut, hör unseren Brüllen zu! Well. I did try to give you a fair response, and please be somewhat charitable because it's absurdly late for me >> I'm sure with more sleep, I'd have been less inclined to troll I guess if I were to say a bit more, it was just to block a criticism I made of Joe in MR3 (yes, I know I was an Eliminator then)--that excluding yourself from the suspect pool in a process of reasoning you use to convince others of something can be a pretty sneaky way of trying to get people to rule you out as a suspect or just not really think of you as being as suspicious as 'those people we're considering'. My argument back then was, well sure, Joe, you could do so because you have privileged access to evidence that we don't--but because of that, you can't appeal to this privileged set of evidence in the process of your argument. It just doesn't work that way. So I was trying to be consistent and fair by noting that well, obviously I wouldn't include myself in the scenario I was sketching out, but I did so anyway because you guys don't have access to my evidence, so it can't be a public ground of reason. That's all. ...I'm just finishing a page of my thesis proposal and I'll try to be a bit more useful by the end of my Thursday exam :/
  7. Kasimir
    King: If a Lighteyes elects to skip a week's battle, is it directly reflected in the write-up? Or does it only show if they were slated for death? And because you might remember a certain incident from LG5: if a Lighteyes has been protected, and then skips a battle/skirmish they would die in, what is reflected in the write-up?
  8. Kasimir
    "As far as I can see," said Kaddar, to Nirn, "The way to unravel this riddle is to consider if the spies had believed the King's Wit--whoever he may be--to have been a heterochromic." Nirn cocked his head, waiting. "Think about it," Kaddar continued. "If they believed that the Wit was a heterochromic, then anyone they killed had a 1/18th chance of being Wit." Hulin squawked in protest. "No, I'm not being hasty," Kaddar retorted. "We know the spies have been dispatched in pairs. The only certain information they have then, is that they aren't the Wit. Neither is their partner." He kept at it, sharpening the boot knife with his whetstone. Comforting, he thought, to know that Dalinar hadn't yet decided to kill him. There were whispers he was a spy, which he wasn't even bothering to deny. Obviously, Kaddar thought, I am a spy. He spied on some of the other Brightlords in Dalinar's camp, he was a student of riddles, and many, many other things. "Which basically means that the reason to kill a darkeyes would be because really, they're a far more diverse lot than we are. The only really useful person you could really end up killing among the bunch of us would be a surgeon." He smiled faintly. "After all, I'm sure we both agree that my fellow Brightlords and Brightladies are hardly paragons of human usefulness." Squawk. "Indeed, that is the case. So. But what if our spies had decided that the Wit was one of us? One of the generally useless burdens on Alethkar? Well, then. Far better to kill a darkeyes than a lighteyes and court losing their task for the shame of having killed the Wit. Not having a role in camp would make their task much harder, wouldn't you say, Nirn?" The chicken fluttered off his perch on the chair, and cawed. "Well, then," Kaddar said, and set to devising a riddle.
  9. Kasimir
    I am hurt, deeply hurt, I tell you, that you would insinuate that I would troll you! Surely not, my honour forfend! Naturally, I would not presume to a level of trolling that you or Aonar achieve. I am not a master, by any means. Well, I just thought it would be fair to note that, since I didn't exactly want someone to jump on that and go 'aha you've included yourself in the suspect pool!' Nothing major--I obviously did that in MR3 too--oh wait, that's not helping, is it? Well, I just like to cover all my bases, really. I suppose it's just a product of training in a discipline where you want to rule out possible uncharitable readings of what you've said. Nothing more to it. I can see why you would be suspicious though. I'm a rather suspicious character. Why, I wouldn't trust me if I met me in a game like this. No, absolutely not. Indeed, good Master Macen, I stand corrected.
  10. Kasimir
    Why, me? I am indeed a Spy. Curses--I have been unmasked! Let thy arrows fly! ...After all, would I lie to you? Me?
  11. Kasimir
    Well, immediate thoughts: a battle will at least give us some suggestion of how many Eliminator teams we're facing. Since all of their sabotages turn into kills during a battle. Sure, protection action might suggest that there's one or two more Eliminator teams than expected, but it'll still be a good place to guess from. We have that going for us, at least. I was going to suggest one other possibility is that we can count the number of Highprinces mentioned--the actual number of Eliminator teams is likely to lie between the Battle Deaths (excluding the lynch--since all Eliminator Teams get their kill in a battle) and the total number of Highprinces that aren't Dalinar, since Spies are, by definition, loyal to another Highprince. It's not exact, but it's a way of looking to see how well our guesses so far are working. And it seems our mobilisation of the Lighteyes vote is going well so far, at least, seeing as the vote went onto Meta.
  12. Kasimir
    Fair enough, and good luck, then, Ren Kaddar.
  13. Kasimir
    ...Doesn't the cycle end in 12 more hours? Because my impression was, it's 48 hours and it started at 4am my time. It's almost 4pm my time now. Edit: On a less irate note, I'd like to confirm if we Lighteyes are on board with the plan to toss our secret votes onto Meta, at least for this cycle.
  14. Kasimir
    No, I just thought you should know by now that I hate ostensible poke votes that don't actually move. Reihmer put what was ostensibly a poke vote on me. Fine. I gave him activity. However, his poke vote was not responsive to my actions. I've certainly done that in the past as an Eliminator. So I'm very annoyed and calling him out on it. If he doesn't budge his vote, mine won't move. Sod that. Let's see how much he wants to gamble with the 1/19th chance that I am actually Wit. Edited to add: And of course if he's Wit, putting a vote on him to see why he's not being responsive to evidence and therefore not actually putting a proper poke vote is just going to play into his hands. So no. I'm not going to do that. To reiterate: either it is a poke vote, in which case I'd like a retraction, as I've clearly responded, or it isn't a poke vote, in which case I would like to hear the reasons for the vote in the first place, as well as the reasons my posting hasn't been satisfactory. Either condition being fulfilled by Ren will be sufficient for me to remove my vote.
  15. Kasimir
    Kaddar
  16. Kasimir
    King: I do have a second clarification. From what you're saying, this is my understanding of how the Spy kill works. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I am going to make some assumptions in order to explain the mechanics of the Spy kill, and I acknowledge that your correcting my mistakes (if any) will not say anything about the number of Spy teams, or any of my other assumptions. This is purely done for explanatory purposes and it is simply an assumption. [ASSUMPTION 1]: 2 Spy teams. [ASSUMPTION 2]: Skirmishes on Week 1, 2, 3 Week 1: Skirmish, Spy Team A selects Person X, Spy Team B selects Person Y. Y is randomly selected for death. People remaining on the Sabotage List: X. Week 2: Skirmish, Spy Team A selects Person X, Spy Team B selects Person Z. Z is randomly selected for death, against the odds. People remaining on the Sabotage List: X, X. Week 3: Skirmish, Spy Team A selects Person H, Spy Team B selects Person M. H is randomly selected for death, against the odds. People remaining on the Sabotage List: X, X, M. Basically, my questions can be separated into two questions-categories: 1. Do entries on the Sabotage List from previous days carry over until the person dies or the game ends? Is the only way entries are removed from the Death Note List upon death? What happens if said person has been protected from death in that particular cycle--are they still on the List or does that merit their removal from it? 2. If a person has been selected twice by a Spy Team, can we roughly read it as their having two entries on the List? Can this 'being selected twice' happen over two Cycles, or does this only occur when Team A and B (in this toy scenario) both select the same person for death? Thanks, King! I greatly appreciate your patience in dealing with the clarifications. P.S. Yes, guys, I am busy. I am also a procrastinator, but I really need to get back to work now >>
  17. Kasimir
    "Well," Kaddar said, to no one in particular, "Try this one, Nirn. 'A forest on the move, that does not grow A vast thicket of thorns that lighteyes scorn. To those who meet us we bring but sorrow Know us and name us; we rise with the dawn.'" A sleepy squawk. "You can't sleep all day, you know. Even though that's something I'd quite like to do myself. Riding into battle...I think I'm getting too old for that." A baleful eye glanced at him, before Hulin tucked her head back under her wing. Kaddar sighed. "Everyone's a critic these days, it seems." He rocked the hammock. The breeze was...pleasant, and the tent gave him some shelter from the rain. I miss the rain, he thought. And marching. And all of the things that came with just being a spearman in one of the companies in the Kholin army. Now, they were all supposed to find the spies in Dalinar's army. As well ask them to find a button amongst grains of sand. Kaddar shook his head. The Blackthorn wouldn't like being told that it couldn't be done, and he did have a feeling that if they didn't find the spies, it would be the end of them. Self-preservation, he mused, was generally a good reason to do things. Of course, it didn't make it the right thing to do. But that was another basket of painspren altogether. "What shall we do, Hulin? Hmm?" - Thanks, King. One last thought I had that popped up: what are we going to do about the secret Lighteyes vote? There are clearly about five of us, and we don't know how many among the five of us are spies. For that matter, we don't even know if one of us is the Wit: recall that the Heterochromic is a Darkeyes with a Lighteyes role. And it would be just like King to troll us by putting a Heterochromic as Wit, and then laugh at whoever the poor sod who lynched the Wit is. So, as I'm seeing it, we have five Lighteyes, none of whom we can be sure of (obviously, I know I'm not a spy, but that reason is inaccessible to all of you, and I'm speaking from a public reason sort of perspective here) which means that if all of us are voting at once, there won't be a draw, and the Blackthorn's vote will go onto someone. If none of us vote, then we could essentially give any Lighteyes Spies a free extra vote to throw onto someone and attempt to cause a lynch. Perhaps that is not much of a threat, but I thought I'd table the issue anyway: are we going to block that? Do we want the Lighteyes to vote for particular people in order to cancel out their votes and not have shenanigans? Are we free to vote? Etc. My initial impulse was not to do a secret vote at all, but because of the concern of Spies among us (I'm pretty sure that there is at least one or two of us who are Spies), that might just leave things open to a spy-driven lynch. (And maybe we mightn't find that a problem: I know in past games, we've sometimes tried to tie votes and wait for the Eliminators to mess with them, but I reckon such a strategy becomes much harder when we have five people, and two to four teams within the sample of five to account for.) It would be nice to hope that the Spies end up cancelling each other out, but I feel this is a possibility that needs to be addressed, so I just brought it up for discussion. Edited for spelling.
  18. Kasimir
    Kaddar lay in his hammock, wondering why he'd thought playing the darkeyes was amusing. Oh right, he thought, because people get killed when I actually play the Brightlord. Nirn and Hulin were sleeping, wings tucked in. Storming Sadeas. All Kaddar had done was to report the man's strategy. "What a riddle, eh?" he said aloud, although his chickens certainly couldn't hear him. "And one certainly answered by a spy among us." The only question was who; the answer to the riddle, as it were. He put that riddle aside to ripen, and came back to the one of the Ryshadium. "Name the Ryshadium that carries Alethkar on his back." No, not quite. He'd have to worry at it a little more, leave the other riddle aside for the time being. - So, as I mentioned in sign-ups, my last exam is on Friday, after which I'll be able to be a lot more helpful about things. Also, today's my birthday and I'm spending it revising and trying to find a thesis topic as my deadline is tomorrow. Only reason I'm saying this is as a reminder: my level of busywork is pretty high at the moment. Therefore, I'll be minimally active at the moment. Main thought I have to supply at this point is that things will be somewhat tricky this game as the teams of Eliminators won't know each other: it's also open as to how cooperatively they want to play since they can win together but otherwise, their goal is rather open. So that's something we need to assess as well--that will tell us what useful strategies for identifying the teams are. King: I just want to confirm this for once and for all--does each team of Eliminators get in one kill each per skirmish, or is it one kill in total? (I know what your rules say, but you were previously somewhat vague on that point, so I'd like to seek clarification proper on how to interpret those rules.)
  19. Kasimir
    "In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming...for Christmas." Now we know what that is all about
  20. Kasimir
    This would be a literal Tower Defense game, wouldn't it?
  21. Kasimir
    I would disagree. It's a leap of logic to assume that just because there can be culturally/linguistically-driven mistakes about the death rattles implies that there would be no point about dicussing death rattles. The latter requires the claim that the death rattles are utterly mistaken. My point only requires that parts of the death rattles be subject to error, for the reasons previously mentioned. My point is therefore not a standalone; it simply helps us make sense of how that death rattle could be about Shallan and Kaladin. To therefore suggest that to allow for error is to abandon all discussion is clearly disingenuous.
  22. Kasimir
    It's just something that occurred to me: would the person speaking the death rattle simply assume that anyone in a combat situation, taking up arms automatically warrants the male pronouns/descriptions? I'm especially thinking with regard to the suggestion of the two men emerging from the pit, though we could of course just read it as a function of the collective reference.
  23. Kasimir
    When, in frustration, you find yourself reflexively writing, "Chull, chull, chull" on the rough paper used for working in an exam, and wishing you had a coppermind.
  24. Kasimir
    Welcome! Is there anything particular you don't like to see in your fantasy/sci fi? (For instance, language, and so on?) That aside, I would suggest Alexey Pehov's Chronicles of Siala, Brent Weeks's Lightbringer series, and potentially the Fallen Blade series by Kelly McCullough, though some might find it draggy as it goes on. I would also highly recommend A Trial of Blood and Steel by Joel Shepherd, and the Codex Alera series by Jim Butcher.
  25. Kasimir
    Cantonese is hard :/ For some reason, at least I find it hard, probably because I was never taught it in any systematic sort of way. Never got past asking people what their name was and if they'd eaten. Funny enough, it was enough to let me pass that class
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