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And now for something completely different--a brief reminder: Phat: Night 1 - Wilson, Night 2 - Ren, Night 3 - Neo Meta: Night 1 - Winter, Night 2 - Kas (I'm guessing, let me know if this is wrong), Night 3 - Twei. If we grant that our two safe roles are Phat and Meta, that leaves us with 7 people currently cleared As mentioned before, I'm rather uneasy about Ostrich's ongoing silence, since it's clear he's been PMing. Karlin's been posting barely enough to stay afloat, which is par for the course. Aonar can be struck off the list since he went through a wormhole, regenerated, and turned out to be Wyrm. [Edit: I mean the crouching inactive list.] With regard to who boarded the lynch train on Meta, it's difficult to say. Twei and Wilson both were the most enthusiastic about it, while Winter was careful to distance herself from it, which makes me think that they're generally adopting that strategy. Letting us cut our own throats, so as to speak. (In any case, at least in my view, Twei and Wilson have both been cleared. I add the fact she (Wilson) was attacked last night to Phat's scan, and it seems to me to be way too expensive a gambit to set up. And I'm generally on board the 'Meta is our badchull Priest' train, so I'm taking his word for it that Twei's cleared.) In my own take on the lynch train, I've drawn a list of what I generally feel are the rough positions that began to coalesce: 1. Meta, wait, what exactly is going on here? -Kas: early boarder, got uneasy and backed off once the train hit 5-6 votes. [cleared by Meta] -Twei: early boarder, but while pressing Meta, also questioned Winter. [cleared by Meta] -Ren: via Kas--expressed worries concerning Meta's immediate response to Wonko over the Zas lynch. [cleared by Phat] -Wilson: questioned Meta, and defended Winter's behavioural shift as being the understandable product of recent circumstances. [cleared by Phat.] -Seonid: questioned Meta's behaviour. -Emerald: voted for Meta because felt his suspicions of Winter were unfounded; questioned arguments for Winter's guilt. 2. Fence-sitters -M'Hael: Tentative suggestion he might vote for Meta but preferred to figure out Kas's Dulaness and to consider. -Hufflepuff: notes Winter is behaving differently, but does not feel strongly enough about Winter or Meta to place a vote. Says will look into Meta's past behaviour to come to a decision. -Winter: Agrees with prior defenses of her, but argues Meta has a point and should not be lynched for it. 3. Meta-backers -Kipper: agrees that Winter is behaving differently, suspects the reason is her being an Eliminator. Later convinced to remove vote from Winter, but chose to abstain from joining vote on Meta. - I know we've had a dominant number of cleared people in Category 1. I kind of feel it's too early to say much about Emerald, and this is the first time Seonid's participated as substantially in a prospective lynch. At the same time, if what was going on with Maili is any indication, my inclinations are that the Cultists will be mostly hiding in Category 2 or simply just being semi-/inactive--they seem to favour letting us cut our own throats. Look at Winter's behaviour, which I've included. She preferred to let other people do most of the heavy lifting defending her, and similarly tried to call for a position of measured restraint concerning Meta. Presumably because she knew he was innocent, and it would help her distance herself from the lynch if/when it came about, as it was looking at that point in time. For obvious reasons, only a limited sample of the game population was even involved in the Meta almost-lynch. Consequently, it's really hard to know what to say of those who remained silent for most of it--like Claincy. Furthermore, I'm not comfortable assuming that any of the inactives replaced by pinch-hitters weren't Eliminators. We've had those before--just off the top of my head: Dui in MR3, and Aonar, Jasnah and Karlin in MR4 (well, he had at least a substantially lower activity level, Jasnah was being strategically inactive and posting just enough to avoid being purged, while Karlin actually died from inactivity!) and Newan in LG7, whom we pretty much had to poke with the lynch stick before he would say anything. (Probably Urbain paranoia speaking. Really simply, it's Wyrm, ipso facto, do not trust without evidence, as much as I'd long to.) While the analysis is mine though, I'd like to hear what conclusions everyone else drew from the lynch. Edit: I feel like this is becoming a thing--that whenever Meta and I are on the same side in a game, I'm bound to suggest we lynch him at least once. MR4, QF6, and now here. :/ Edit 2: Added entertaining link for additional demonstrativeness.
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Will you do even this, infidel? Swear by the most holiest of names? In the city of fallen gods, only the maimed remember their names. In whose name shall I dedicate my worship? That of the Merciful? Drunk with love as I am, O my Beloved, I’ll venerate your name. Overlooking grassy meadows, the monk sips his tea in solitude. I’m no monk, now; I’ve forsaken my god, abandoned him in your name. Among the sussurus of the whispering pines, the moonlight descends as smoke Beneath the gauze curtain of dusk, the cicadas are crying your name. Wretch! For M’Hael, you’ve given up philosophy, and turned to poetry. What will you do when he leaves you, Kasimir? With the unspoken name?
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He last posted on Night Three. Naturally there would be no replacement forthcoming. I'm more interested in the fact that Ostrich has not been replaced. It's Day Four--easily enough elapsed time between the original reply to the GM PM and now.
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Sure thing, man. You buying? It occurs to me--for no particular reason--that in future games, it might be interesting to have a role capable of 'silencing' a player and preventing them from posting in the thread for a cycle...Huh.
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Oh. Chull. Hail, Chief! Hail, King of the Wyrm Inquisition! Ok guys, sorry, sleepy Kas is sleepy, but: 1. Ren cautions that our Duke/Duchess (if you're on our team) should probably hit Winter's vote to protect Phatt from being made Hoed. (Ren, if you see this, I recommend--as others have suggested in the past--that Phatt just come up with a Hoed Code just in case. Preferably morse code or something, just use words like 'nut' and 'banana' to represent dots and dashes due to Hreo's rules.) 2. Everyone, vote. Vote for Winter. What we absolutely do not want is for you to be inactive and to give the Cultists a chance to mess with the vote and Hoe Phat, alright? 3. In answer to your question, Wilson: yes, we have the results. I was sitting on them--for exactly the same reason as Meta was, to be gauging player reactions to the ongoing lynch train instead of revealing the information early Neo has been scanned and proven to be a Citizen Veteran Elantrian. Zas is therefore likely to be the Cultist and the source of the leak unless it was Phat himself. (Long story; tldr; version is that Ren just remembered that Phat PMed Winter on Day One. So Phat might have compromised himself. Ren hasn't ruled out that possibility yet--this is why we were asking you, to confirm if you might've been the leak.)
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Whoa, ok. Uh, Ren gave up and asked me to just ask you bluntly if you at any point potentially leaked Phat's Priestness to Winter.
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1. Dear person downvoting people who voted for Winter, I saw you. Stop monkeying with the rep system, for goodness sake. 2. Wilson, Ren would like to knpw when and at what time (+ timezone please, if possible) Winter contacted you. He needs to establish something.
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O Cruel One, I'm certainly not suggesting we should not discuss the issue. I'm cautioning against the assumption that the Gyorn necessarily has a Seon (after all, they do have the PM ability with their Odiv), and more importantly, I'm cautioning against the assumption only regulars by and large have Seons, because it's definitely been disproven to us by the lynch.
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Correction: Maili died and was found to be a Regular Citizen, with Nae. Spencer was a Debtor, with Seon Opa. Alas, had I only known before the game, I would've bound us together with cords even death cannot sever.
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While I think Meta has some things I'd like to hear clear answers to--and my questions still stand--I generally get very twitchy about a lynch train forming up so quickly. Now, I know that it's early in the cycle and all, but that's five votes on Meta in rapid succession, guys, and I'm pretty sure that's gone way too far. [six if we count Wilson's Queenliness.] It seems to me to be more a repeat of what happened with Maili, and I'm now wary of unopposed lynch trains as the Cultists seem content to let us slit our own throats. Anyway. I'm mostly posting again in my capacity as Speaker for Ren. So. 1. Ren notes that he is generally dissatisfied with the amount of inactivity in the game, and names Aonar, Alvron, dowanx and Mek among those he thinks have been generally falling out of things of late. 2. He advocates paying more attention to the semi-actives, as he thinks that these aren't at the moment saying enough for us to work with. In particular, this is partly because he believes that early suspicions generally fail to pick out Eliminators, since Eliminators tend to have solid alibis against those. So it's only in the long run and with sufficient information that we might be able to zoom in on the right people. Ren, if you're seeing this, and there's anything I missed or misrepresented, please let me know. I'm only a good Speaker if I'm reliably conveying your thoughts. Edit: I missed 3. Ren has expressed a worry that missing two kills means the Cultists are more desperate--and may have tried to stack a lynch on an experienced player. However, he is unsure if they are indeed moving behind the scenes as Elantris, too, seem generally convinced about Meta's Cultistness.
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Welcome to the Hotel of Elantris Such a lovely place (such a lovely place) Such a lovely face Plenty of room at the Hotel of Elantris Any time of year (any time of year) You can find it here! Last thing I remember, I was Running for the gate I had to find the passage back Before I met a dark fate. "Relax, " said the Veteran, "We are programmed to receive. You can check-out any time you like, But you can never leave!" Edit: colour, storming colour. Edit 2:
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Twei: Seonid did not get votejacked. That was only Karlin. You might've confused Seonid's character with Sienene, who is being played by Phat. As it stands, we have confirmation that Bort made the Duke/Duchess vote, and that the suss-Prince/Princess has struck again. Still a count of two vote changers. I should clarify that I did not discuss Meta with Ren or attempt to influence his suspicion list. I simply asked him point-blank for his suspicions and to shed light on that kerfuffle with Zas. (Yes, to those of you who are reading between the lines, I have been given a Seon. I consider this a temporary loan.) Ren has also noted that it seems few people have been communicating with Elantris and they're running into timezone issues, meaning most exchanges have not been so informative. Edited for colour.
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Fair enough. As I always say, strategy before trolling As much as it would've been fun to go with my pre-game banter (excluding threats of Wilson murdering me in all subsequent games), strategic concerns mandated I actually roll the dice. Or, as they say in Randland: 'Dovie'andi se tovya sagain.' So I can understand the need to be sure. What's up guys? Surely just because we have our Priest, we shouldn't be focusing on just what he finds! That has to wait until our Seon-holders can present us with something useful, but in the meantime, let's kick off some discussion! Among the candidates for poisoning, there were myself, Claincy, Meta and Bort. Bort is currently enjoying a two-night stay in Hotel Elantris, if the actual Shaod doesn't take him in there. But what about the others? Meta, what's your reason for going after Kae again? I've read what you've said in the thread, but it seems as though you're just doggedly going after her again and again, which seems to me quite strange since you've always cautioned us against tunnel-vision. Would be nice to hear some more response to Twei's and Wilson's concerns (which I do share), besides 'Well, I did that before.' As I see it, you're too canny a player to be that obtuse about trolling, so either you were a Villager trying to aid my attempt to draw flak by highlighting what a tempting target a purported Lover would be, or, as Twei suggested, you were trying to deflect the Warriors. Which is it? Edit for colour. Edit 2: I have information from Ren, over in Elantris. He has confirmed that Wonko misunderstood the reasons for Zas's lynch. Zas was to be lynched not because he was a convert, but because the Elantrians felt that with the attack on Phat (his possessing the Pendant was not publicly known), the only unconfirmed players who would've attempted to kill Phat were either Zas or Wonko. Consequently, they reasoned that having a 50-50 chance of lynching a Cultist was better odds than lynching Maili. All that then remained would be to Seek the survivor (if Zas was no Cultist), upon which Elantris would be cleared of Cultists. As Zas had not been forthcoming about his role, they decided that Zas was a better lynch candidate than Neo. Ren expresses, as well, suspicion of Meta, noting that it is strange that Meta cast suspicion on Wonko (and by extension, what Wonko might've further said) with incredible alacrity, to defend the Maili lynch.
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Yes! Perfect GPA this sem! And now my GPA is stable as I head into my final year! WOOOHOOO! *victory dance*
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Sure, guv'. I ain't bovvered. After all, you can't be my Lover too...could you? Edit: To Throat: I apologise. It'd been a long and nerve-wrecking day, and I'd gone to bed without seeing your message. I understand the decision you made, even if I think it was somewhat unnecessary. However, know that should I die, you will find yourself in the same position.
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Ok, sorry guys. I'd crashed right after receiving my semester results [a nerve-wrecking experience, but it's over!], and had as a result sent in an early order on Bort. Any other people with poison, however: feel free to send Meta or any of the other mentioned names on a free, all-expenses paid trip to Elantris. Tch. I know personal privacy is overrated in the Digital Age, but seriously, bhai? Fine. I am the Dula. I just didn't want to pass up an opportunity to troll--and more importantly, I did not want to make a confirmed Arelon player any more tempting a target than she already was. When I saw Kipper's post speculating that I'd made Wilson and Claincy Lovers, I decided to put a stop to any attempts to speculate on who I'd paired up by trying to divert the heat to myself. Let me make several things clear. First, to forestall attempts to guess who I've paired based on my psychology and pre-game banter, I can confirm I rolled dice to decide on the Lovers I eventually paired up. So, trying to work based off how I think is not going to be of help here Second, we know I'm against wanton role reveals, and I consider this to be especially wanton. The odds are in the favour of the Lovers being a Citizen-Citizen pair, and if they are a Cultist-Citizen or Cultist-Cultist/Cultist-Gyorn pair, we'll soon discover that as we work to uncover the Cultists through discussion. It does not change the nature of our task. Third and consequently, as their Secret-Keeper, I am set upon taking the names of the Lovers to my grave I hope y'all will understand. Edit: Lovers, if you're pretty upset right now, curse my dice. They were the ones who decided your fate. (It is written.)
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...I hate to break up this fight, ladies and gents, but clock's ticking and I'd like to get a menu of options besides Bort, though I have my own suspicions. (Come on, guys, you don't really want me to be going off such a restricted list, surely...) 1. Reiterating Winter's question: anyone can figure out exactly why Zas was made Hoed? (The 'why help the Gyorn?' thing just was unclear from the start, and as far as I can see, the Hoed thing was a result of the Elantrian attempt at a lynch, but I'm not sure. It doesn't seem entirely willing on Zas's part either--he put a vote on Neo, rather than on himself. I don't think the situation is entirely clear-cut.) 2. This is something I'm sketchy on and I'd like confirmation on the matter. Do we know that the Cultists know that Phat is the Priest? [...well, it's certainly true now that they'll know.] Or is this simply our best guess as to why Phat was attacked last night? (I know it's a reasonable explanation, but I'd like to make sure I've understood the situation clearly, especially since that would affect where we look given contact tracing. (Oh Lord, I'm making them sound like a disease now.)) 3. Bort. I'd like to know your opinions on the Duke/Duchess. I know you want to protect their identity, but what about just in vague terms of where they are on your current suspicion list?
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Beautiful and cruel! Alas; where others have chosen the sun, I embrace an armful of thorns, for he who chooses to give his heart to the rose must as well know its thorns. I will make of thy name a song, sung so long as earth and sun shall abide; and when thou goest into the lamentable halls of Hades, never, albeit thou be dead, shalt thou lose thy fame. Guys. May I assume that tonight, Phat is going to scan one of the two remaining Elantrians? (If the other turns out to be not a Cultist either, although I don't know how likely this is, then we're really going to have to start looking at other points of contact and transmission. Certainly, while I'm wary of falling for a spanreed gambit, I do think Team Evil will have at least one Seon. But, I expect us to have a decent number of Seons too, to account for 1. Seon removal, 2. Seon corruption. So I don't countenance right now a witch hunt into the ranks of the Seon holders. More importantly, I'm going to make a confession. The M'Hael sent me a vial of poison a cycle ago. I had been slightly suspicious because I saw no reason why I should obtain that, and my ma always told me never to take candy from strangers. Pretty sure she had 'vials of poison from Forsaken' in mind too I know what you've been hinting at, M'Hael. I've been hanging on to it--first, in case it was a trap, and second and more importantly, because I wanted to use it as a delayed role-block, rather than sending someone into Elantris, since we already have Seons for that. At this point, I'm coming forward because the poison action comes before the kill action. And as the M'Hael noted, it may be useful to be able to send someone we want scanned into Elantris so Phat can do his magic. For that reason, I'd like our discussion to expand out to people it'd be good to have Phat scan To prevent myself from being ninja-ed by the Cultists, I will randomly pick someone on that list to poison and to send into Elantris. If you prefer me to hang on to the poison, I'll send it discreetly to someone I trust to use it, since I've effectively painted a target on my back and my Beloved's. Note that a poisoned Seon-holder can still use their Seon. This is all.
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I'm going to answer some of the questions I was asked yesterday but didn't have time to address. 1. Kipper--it's water under the bridge now, so I'm not going to respond to your arguments. (Honestly, if you have an issue with how I'm playing this, feel free to take it up with me OOG, because I obviously don't want to be frustrating players unnecessarily with my playstyle.) However, if anyone feels like they would like me to respond to Kipper, then I'll do so. 2. Wonko: my contact is using a new Seon. I won't name them because I don't believe in role reveals (except under specific sorts of circumstances--see QF6...I think I've banged on about this long enough, no? What happened with Maili is an excellent example of why people shouldn't be telling Seon-holders their roles!) but I can confirm knowledge of seven different unique Seons being in play, including yours. 3. If Piff is the only person to have been replaced by a pinch-hitter, then we can look back at people who might've been inactive over the same period of time. Those who haven't been replaced have been working behind the scenes. 4. Then we have two people with Korathi pendants struck down in a single night. Wow. We're going through these things like no tomorrow. It looks to me as if the second person must've been an Elantrian or inactive: I'm going with the latter. (We know Ren had a pendant, which he gave to Phat to protect him. Phat's was expended defending him from the Cultists, and in any case, it wouldn't have mattered since he's immune to conversion. Zas had already been converted, so he can't have had the pendant. So it's pretty much Neo or an inactive. 5. Honestly, Hael, you were on my suspicions list, for the reason you and I both know. You just weren't extremely high, and in any case, it looks like I'm going to have to spend some time redoing that list. (As much as a pantser can...) 6. There is only one appropriate response to an 'or' question: Yes.
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What?! I'm a Dula?! Hreo, I am disappoint! Why did you not tell me or give me special Dula powers?! Apology accepted, Kipper, but I am still highly disappointed, O Faithless Lover. Why would you cast a vote on me? Was my devotion to you insufficient? Did you wish me to proclaim our love to the world? To abase myself before thee? For I shall: Last night, by the dying tree, in your upraised palm, you held the leaves captive. Tonight, O Beloved, within the heart’s walls; these eaves, I am your captive. And what of the days—do you remember? Not one?—in the empty courtyard? My whispered endearments/to adorn you/gilded wreaths—were they, too, captive? Beneath my window, the nightingales are drunk on your beauty, O Lover, I’m no nightingale; but like them, I sing most sweetly when I’m held captive. I swore—upon the holiest of Names!—to forget you; to put you out of mind, But the heart will heed no words, O my Beloved—and Reason is her captive. What treachery is this? Turning me out in this wilderness of tigers? Yesterday, I was no exile; in these fountained courts, I was no captive. Flogged, I turn my face towards yours; before you, I abase myself anew. I am nothing. I surrender myself: Kasimir-who-is-Love’s-captive.
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Apologies for sitting on this. I have been contacted at the start of the cycle by a Seon-holder named Spook2 who wishes to remain anonymous. Funny thing is, Spook2 also claims to have contacted Elantris. They support claims of an Elantrian convert but also claims the Elantrian suspicions are: Jain, Wonko, Bort. I sat on this because I was waiting for Spook2's permission to act as their liason with the thread, and had to throw off the timings to disguise Spook2's identity. Make of this what you will. The Phat situation seriously stinks. As an Elantrian, he can only scan within Elantris, if he's really a Priest. So why should this be a major threat to the Cultists? Similarly, I'm with Meta--being a convert isn't sufficient reason for me to lynch Zas. More importantly--how then did the information on Phat leak to the Cultists? We know he has/had a Seon but who were his points of contact? Surely contact tracing, in that case, would yield a suspect! The last I checked, Cultists do not have a Priest! If we work off the assumption that Phat is a priest and he's right about Wilson, the only three possibilities seem to be: A. He roleclaimed to whoever he contacted on Day One, B. He roleclaimed to a Seon-holder who is evil, C. He role-claimed in the Elantris PM. Elantrians reading this: Can you please help us out here? I don't want this to remain too close, because of vote shenanigans, so Jain. Maili. Edit: The point on Wilson matters because she mentioned Phat contacting her on Night One.
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Hreo: I was voting for Jain. I purpled Kipper's name in jest, so I assumed that it would not count as a legit vote. Apologies for any confusion.
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Are you suggesting I have no life, Claincy? Because y'know, you'd actually be quite right. I play Sanderson Elimination to procrastinate off work (and to switch my brain off, which kind of explains a lot of the questionable decisions and posts I make), and sometimes my procrastinator tendencies get out of control. (See: your thesis is your life.) So to be fair, I really should be less active than I am now, huh. [Thesis before procrastination, research before slacking, work before play. I will unite instead of divide, Supervisor. I will bring different objections together. The Graduating Students shall rise again!] Echoing the 'I don't take notes' aspect though. I'm more a pantser than a note-taker. Again, explains so much >> Anyway, several things. First, I'd brought up Ostrich, in part because I'd seen him reading the thread a Turn or two ago. So when Hreo provided the clarification on the pinch-hitters, I figured it wouldn't be a bad thing to try shedding some light in that direction. Another reason was, I felt Bort and Jain had been talked to death the previous night and wanted to shift to something completely different for a bit. (See: Mek's "We will do all the things! That is just what is going to happen.") At this point, there is a possibility I may not be on again in time for rollover, so I'm not very keen on leaving my vote on him. Second: I'm going to steal Seonid's brilliant idea and follow the M'Hael's lead in extending it here. I hereby affirm that I have neither been converted, nor attacked by the Cultists. I am therefore not the bearer of the shattered Korathi pendant. Third, the person who was attacked has been strangely silent and I reckon it's been about 24 hours. I confess this makes me a little more willing to believe they are Arelish, simply because I imagine a Cultist pulling a WGG would be ridiculously excited to admit they'd been attacked right out the gate. (This doesn't entirely eliminate any suspicions I might have towards said person, though. No sense in being reckless.) At the same time, I really wish they'd come forward, because they're hanging on to information that would be useful to have. (Granted, they could be an inactive. At least we know for sure they cannot be an Elantrian unless--Hreo, could you confirm that no one who begins as an Elantrian could begin with a Korathi pendant please? (In essence, this question asks if the logic of the game means that if that person began with a Korathi pendant, that pre-game Shaod could not have hit them.)) Fourth, as there is a chance I might not get back before rollover, I'm going to put a vote on Kipper. Of all things, you miss the meme?! More seriously: I have thought about this. I'm not exactly happy with adding more fuel to the Hufflepuff-Maili lynch train. On the one hand, I agree that I am rather allergic to players playing the 'I'm new and lost' card. Yes, I played it in LG5. Ash and Binnt riffed off it on LG6. Phatt capitalised on it in QF6. And I know that it doesn't necessitate that the player is a Cultist faking it: they could genuinely be barely keeping afloat. At the same time, I have to balance that with the acknowledgement that Eliminator teams do not hesitate to cash in on newness or perceived newness, because we do tend to give newer players a free pass on weird stuff. Ultimately though, I don't feel strongly enough about things to choose to come down on Hufflepuff today. Similarly, I'm not quite sure what to make of Maili. As Twei has said, I'm not exactly a fan of his vote-tying strategy: or at least, I'd like to know why. Presenting a tie seems to me to be only effective if there's going to remain a menu of options, allowing the vote manipulators the choice of lynch. If, by the time the lynch comes down, there's a clear leader--then why present a tie in the middle of the cycle? Especially when there has been a general consensus on lynching lurkers if push comes to shove? And what about debtors? Surely it must have occurred to you that a debtor would be unlikely to leave a tie standing for long? Despite all these questions, though, I don't feel certain enough, and I don't like leaving a lynch-deciding vote when there's a decent chance I mightn't be able to get back in time to deal with further developments. So I'm instead going to put a vote on Jain. I get it that you said that at the point in time, it appeared to you that Wonko was about to be lynched by a two-vote majority. Fine. But that was 6:54PM on the 27th May. That's at least 16 hours to the lynch, and a lot of time. And it wasn't as if you were thinking you mightn't be back in time later on. Because you were: 5:44AM on the 28th of May. Throwing an extra vote on Wonko doesn't make sense in two ways: first, given your passing it off as because he wasn't "[responding] to [his] accusations", and second, given the high volatility of voting in the previous cycle and a decent amount of time to rollover, that state of affairs doesn't seem particularly stable. Even if it wasn't, why close off the lynch early and block further discussion? Something about this just seems a bit strange. And I get that it could be a mistake and it's therefore annoying that everyone is chasing you for it. But all the same, I have to admit that it seems a lot like trying to discreetly smuggle a vote in on a lynch-wagon. [besides, you called out Wonko for bandwagoning, but isn't throwing a vote on an ongoing 'two-lynch margin' train just more of the same--with only a difference in degree rather than kind?] This is the best I have right now. If I'm wrong about you, Jain, then I'm sorry, for all that's worth.
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No, it's the Stick
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Much appreciated. Thank you for resolving the issue, Chaos!
