Kurkistan

Nope, it's never too late.

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@neongrey Dial it back by several notches. There are a series of lines between critique -> harsh critique -> hurtful critique -> insulting critique, and you managed to cross all of them over the course of your post.

Hi. The OP is an interesting theory; not sure how much it really ties back into the whole "spren as ideals" thing, but there's definitely been hints/confirmations (sorry, my WoB-finding game is off lately) of spren as little shattered off bits of shardic power, so the concept of "unkeying" them is an interesting and plausible one. The referenced thread, btw. -WoB here, it looks like the links to individual posts in the OP got broken by the site conversion.

@PeterAhlstrom Out of curiosity, do you have a moment to identify who's Jon and who's Cynder? Is it Cynder:Bluecoat and Jon:Whitecoat or the other way around?

I don't believe that we've gotten any WoB on this. If you want speculation: I'd wager that the forgery kind of goes on top of the soul rather than insinuating into it. One comparison to look at is withering on Thronody—particularly if we're to accept the somewhat dubious "sure you can call it that (paraphrase)" description of it as "cancerous Forging". You clearly don't need to be soul-damaged already for a shade to affect you; the question then is whether the withering itself has to damage your soul before it can have any actual effect. I'd argue that it isn't initially damaging your soul in any permanent way, since quick application of silver yields a complete recovery. This suggests that either withering needs only minimal soul-damage (and uniquely heal-able soul damage at that) or no soul damage at all before it starts grayifying people: the later seems more reasonable.

I found a... bubble-o(?). In the bottom left of the third page of Chapter 5, Cynder and Jon are quibbling about linguistics vs. anthropology. The speech bubbles are associated with the wrong characters, with each "speaking" the others' lines.

I'm still of the opinion that Harmony didn't have anything to do with Tan's/Lessie's death. Lessie dying wasn't in the original plan, and the whole "(potentially) creating a serial killer and then arranging his death as a means to an end" doesn't really seem very Harmonic. Leaving the option that everything was just fabrications orchestrated by Paalm/Trell.

To continue my email-alert-related small-minded commentary (yes I use email alerts alot): It used to be that there was a "the topic can be found here: <url>" link at the end of thread-post-alert emails that lead to the first post you hadn't read in that thread. That's essentially been replaced by the "Go to this post" button" associated with each post you get alerts about, in addition to a link to the thread itself (stating at the OP) at the beginning of the message. Functionally, I used to use the newpost link as an easy way to jump into the thread where I left off, re-read anything I might have skimmed in the email alerts, and then get to the end and start replying if appropriate. But now if I want to navigate to the thread through the emails I have to either just go to the first page and navigate where I want to be or I have to find the most recent message I haven't seen on the site itself and click its "Go to this post" button. It'd be nice if there was the return of a general "go to the first unread post on this thread" link as well.

Thanks for all the hard work Chaos & Co. I feel all shiny and chrome. To pick at a very small nit: Could we possibly make the email alerts less verbose? There's no functional loss, but it's making it a bit less easy to just glance at the first-line email preview and know what's what. In the good old days of yester-year (/-day), there was some unnecessary text, but little enough that right off the bat you'd be seeing the username of whoever replied. Now alerts are "from" "17th Shard, the Official." and all start out "17th Shard, the Official Brandon Sanderson Fansite Hi Kurkistan..." Emails used to be just from "17th Shard" and the body started out "Kurkistan, Bob (<url of profile>) has posted a reply..." I like that the profile URL has been taken out (saves space), but otherwise that's a lot of repetitive content.

On a technical level I think that even the hovering/wobbling mistborn wouldn't end up shifting around the bubble, as he likely has a conception of "still" based on his anchor, the planet around him, etc. Now a mistborn in space might be a different picture, without necessarily anything immediate that his conception of "still" is based upon. Or perhaps not. Either way I agree that the bubble's initial frame of reference is likely "defaulted in" based upon its source, and then shortly overridden through interaction with other objects.

troll!Brandon's hypothetical response: "Well technically some would call Harmony artificial. NEXT!" At this point you're escorted away by security if you try to clarify your meaning.

That it is; sorry, I just copy-pasted without taking the time to replace 'Q' with names. Thanks for asking that question. I just now lightninged-through and checked and the question-askers for the rest of the questions aren't as obvious: I don't know who "FS" is for the "Aluminum creates dead space" one, which is the only other one that sticks out as a low-hanging fruit.

Substantive thoughts aside, which question was yours, Beskar? I can try to see about getting it attributed to you in wherever it's sourced at.

That's essentially how I'd model it as well; the question then is the details of this conversation and how all that state is reliably and consistently tracked.

FYI, update pending once I wrap my head around all the new info and make sure I'm not missing anything. Thread posted to that end.

Bands of Mourning and Shadows of Self SPOILERS ahoy. I'm leaving the thread here because it really has nothing to do with either of those books beyond the evidence they provide, but this is more of a "General Cosmere Theory: Mistborn edition" than a proper Mistborn-book thread. We've had a swathe of new time bubble information with Shadows of Self, Bands of Mourning, and WoBs from the last few tours. We're to the point where there's some genuinely new/interesting information, so it would be inappropriate for me to just shove the first them I think of into the giant mega thread of death and call it gospel. So here I'll post all the new WoBs and brief overviews of new in-book information and we can discuss implications, etc. WoBs: Nested bubble size interaction: Aluminum creates dead space: (heavily paraphrased from a recording with approval by the question-asker, for clarity) Accelerated aging (paraphrase): Watches need to be reset: Doylist rationale behind bubble mechanics: (emphasis added) Emotional allomancy works through bubbles because it's "over the top": Included as soon as you touch: Cancelling only in area of overlap: Nicrosil/Duralumin RAFO: Conservation of momentum on entrance tied to redshift-solution: Cadmium hermit can time-capsule self: Bubble size/strength more controllable than shown, size not inverse to strength: Moving bubble's effect on intersected object: -Kurk's Kommentary: Well that's interesting. I'd been assuming relativity of reference frames, but it looks like there needs to be some other mechanism at work to decide how the cork is "really" moving. I don't think this necessarily messes with current FTL models, but it requires some rethinking. The "everything we know" thread will need to be reworked to excise my relativity-based analysis and incorporate this. --Also this thread is wrong on more than one level. Book evidence: Jostling/deflection/refraction of objects traversing bubble borders In Shadows of Self when Marasi foils the assassination attempt on the mayor, it's noted that a bullet fired out of the cadmium bubble deflects on its way out. Then in Bands of Mourning there's some exposition while Marasi and Wayne are hiding in the grave: bullets entering the bubble get deflected as well. The words used are "anytime something entered a speed bubble, it was refracted...": recall that I'm weird, and that all time bubbles are referred to as "speed bubbles" in-world. At this point we've got definite in-text evidence of bullets being deflected on leaving bendalloy and cadmium bubbles, in addition to them being deflected on entering bendalloy bubbles. At this point I think we're pretty safe in saying that all transitions over bubble borders produce jostling. -I didn't spot any other mentions of in/out deflection in the two books, but and very open to being corrected. We also get the implication that shooting into cadmium bubbles causes deflection. This implies that the bubble being up prevents people shooting you: so either cadmium bubbles have some hitherto unknown bullet-stopping ability or the property the emphasized part references is just deflection. Moving bubbles: The fight on the train in BoM has a train-anchored bubble. Cool. The bubble even "captures" a cork that Wax throws at it (the implications of mechanics of this hashed out over an over-long WoB/P up above). This "heayy and fast" is quite fascinating, and runs a bit counter to the "cutting" WoB on what defines bubble frame of reference. It's reasonable enough, though: after all the bubble is based on "frame of reference for the cognitive things around" the bubble, so if you're a big heavy fast thing I'd guess that you have a more solid argument/perception of what "still" is then something small and slow and flimsy. - It's implied in the scene where the gang is testing out the primer cube by tossing it around that the cube spits out a bendalloy bubble while its in mid-air, then proceeds to land on the ground near Marasi with the bubble still centered on it. This would imply that the cube either has some special ability to anchor bubble frames of reference or (as I'm about to suggest) that while the bubble was airborne it simply "defaulted" to being anchored to the cube, but when it landed it assumed a normal ground-based frame of reference. This supported by Marasi walking up and picking up the cube off the ground without any mention of the bubble shifting. ------ Nothing else bookey comes to mind immediately, beyond, obviously, the interaction of time bubbles with the primer cube and mechallomancy in general, as well as the implications that has for FTL. Satsoni, for instance, has raised the idea of just tossing the cube out ahead of a space ship as a way of getting a not-anchored bubble to travel through. Speaking of primer cubes: It occurs to me that bubbles must necessarily have some kind of "default frame" they assume upon first creation that's then maintained by the bubble's surroundings. This reconciles the ability for flung bubbles, airborne allomancers, etc. to have stable bubbles with Brandon's statements on frame of reference being determined by what the bubble "cuts" through. Actual analysis of all of this to come, but for now I just wanted to get everything down on paper. Discuss away.

Finally got around to going through the rest of the transcript, including as it turns out a minute or two of the lightning round that my recording had but the provided one did not. It's good enough for government work at this point, so I'm going to paste the whole thing here for searchability:

1) Necropost, please don't do that. 2) Please attribute your posts if you're flat-out copying from somewhere else.

Thanks (though a bit of a necro), but I'll just quote Peter on this: Source:

Moved to BoM board.

Probably. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4087-shared-compounding/page-3#entry88517

I'm afraid I don't understand where your concern is? The idea is that you have a matched pair of spanreeds (though really the gemstone is all that matters) in different locations. You move one of them and that causes the other to move as well. The ansible part of it is that the second gem moves at some point sooner after the first than it would have taken a beam of light (in vacuum) to cross the space between the gems. The writing implement the gems happen to be attached to is immaterial: information has just been transmitted faster than the speed of light.

I think the evidence we have so far is solid enough that there's little need to tip-toe around dissecting levels of reliability, but I won't fault anyone for taking a more rigorous approach, if they feel the need. Moving on... A pencil isn't an ansible because there's no such thing as a rigid body (see this surprisingly-useful StackExchange thread, for further context).

Well sorry about stirring distrust in your heart. Does the same apply to Blightsong's more detailed and specific recollection of it being spanreeds?