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Yes you did. Yes you did. *fixes it*

@Dyring "Getting talked around" is not a guarantee that the Spiked are spinmasters controlling our minds. Was the same person/group of people doing the "talking" each time? Also, exactly 3 people had voted for Beetle by the point he said he was a Seeker. Hardly a case of "already getting alot of votes". Actually, now dyring is looking pretty darn suspicious. :In response to your edited-in response to me: We actually have quite a few targets besides Beetle that have been suggested. Who would you want to kill today, if Beetle was off the menu? EDIT: Spelling, fixed a quote. EDIT 2: New list: Vote tally: Beetle (3?): Dyring, Aether -Tentative: Gambles Dyring (4): Wilson, Porridge, Beetle, Kukri Kukri (1): Maill That still leaves: Clancy, Darnam, Mat undecided.

Vote tally: Beetle (3?): Dyring, Aether -Tentative: Gambles Dyring (1): Wilson Kukri (1): Maill That still leaves: Clancy, Beetle, Darnam, Mat, Kukri, and Porridge undecided. There are 11 left. The ratio of Villager-Spiked is now either 7/4 or 8/3. ------------------- My thoughts on Beetle: It doesn't really hurt us that much to keep him around. The only really "dangerous" role that the Spiked can have now (since Smoker doesn't affect us if we don't have a Seeker) is mistborn. Rioter/Soother are only dangerous, at the moment, if we're all very stupid and don't bother to construct "formal majorities" for every vote. ---- Aside: Actually, request to Meta: are we allowed to "conditionally vote" kind of like Clancy tried to do that one time? So everyone says "I vote for X, but if the end of the day comes and Y has the majority I want to vote for Y?" That would solve all of our Soother/Rioter-related fears. ---- Back on track: The Spiked do have the mistborn, but we have either a 1/4 or 1/3 chance of any given Spiked being the mistborn. If Beetle is Spiked, it's highly doubtful that he's the mistborn, as they wouldn't want to expose their most valuable piece for a gambit like this. Remember that they can communicate freely at all times, and so could coordinate this all very well. Therefore, it is unlikely to the extreme that, if we mob-killed Beetle, we'd do the Spiked any real harm besides reducing their numbers by one. They will still be just as effective as if we hadn't killed Beetle today, when all is said and done. We'll be back at square 1 tomorrow, having to pick a victim from a Beetle-less pool. At this stage in the game, we can wait a night or two before killing Beetle even if he is Spiked. Imagine a scenario: Meta slips up and posts in such a way as to prove unequivically to us that player Z is spiked and not the mistborn. What profit do we gain from killing him immediately, if we have other people we think are Spiked? Player Z is no real threat if we simply disregard his word and outweigh his vote. There is a small price, I'll admit: Our chances of killing a Spiked at random go up as there are fewer and fewer villages to choose from (since they've been murdered). In this way, we benefit from killing Z today if only because we'll have a higher chance of picking another Spiked tomorrow, when there will be one less villager, then we do today. The odds don't change that much at this stage, though. On top of this, Beetle may actually be the Seeker. In that case, we will know his role for sure when he dies, and we can be sure of everyone he has ever Seeked and told us the allegiance of. If we kill Beetle now and he's the Seeker, then Gambles and Maill will be known to be 100% trustworthy. If we kill him tomorrow and he's the Seeker, then Gambles, Maill, and <Someone else> will have that distinction. --- I'll refrain from voting for the moment because I don't want to bias the discussion and it is early days yet.

This may interest you. http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=977#167 EDIT:

This discussion may interest you: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4343-where-is-the-terriswoman-worldhopper/

Actually, it belongs in the Signings & Stalkings section.

Kukri walked into the bar and surveyed the devastated crowd, having just heard the news of the previous night. "Well we're just on a roll, it would seem. Got any Seeking to share before you're inevitably mob-killed, Beetle?" ---- So the mistborn was kind enough to confirm that he's Spiked, at least. Hurrah.

I am curious as to whether we want to/can use Whelan's artwork for Kaladin and Shallan for their respective Coppermind pages? The fanart we have now is fantastic, of course, but Shallan's painting, at the very least, is somewhat universally hailed, so it'd be nice if we could crop it down and put it on the page. Are there copyright issues, or should I hop to it and start cropping some official Tor artwork?

I think that likely, especially given Wyndle's gardening habits.

Here you go.

Hopefully a Feruchemist would be able to just do their own thing without the need for outside Investiture. All their power comes from their selves, after all. I think all Hoid needs is some metalminds and he's set wherever.

Very very nice. Good work.

Also, I thought that you had to lift the weight of both objects when using a conjoiner: so that one archer would need the strength to pull back a hundred bows.

No problem, just wanted to bring it to your attention.

Interesting theory.

It was my impression that the Kholins weren't all that honorable or honorably intentioned when they set about uniting Alethkar.

An interesting thought, Doc...

Burning aluminum destroys itself, while duralumin only goes poof it is has other metals to interact with. EDIT: Oooh, 666 Rep.

Ah, I see your meaning now.

No, because Nahodon said that particular line before the KR were even founded.

And Adonalsium's.

No, Meta just miscounted. There are 5 names voting for Beetle, he just wrote (4). Or is that how the Soother's power shows up? I thought the name would just disappear. Could we get a rule clarification please, Meta?

There were "Adonalsium spren" on Roshar before Honor and Cultivation go there. Source: EDIT: Welcome to the forums, by the way.

An astute observation on the "sinking" phenomenon, Arook.

I doubt it was a typo. Recall that Brandon is usually writing while his books go to press, and WoR is getting an extremely compressed production process. So SA3 will probably take just as long to write as other SA books, but without some of its writing time "hidden" by the fact that the previous book hasn't been released yet.