Shardcast: Cultivationlight!? FanX Words of Brandon P1


On today's Shardcast, we discuss the huge amount of things that Brandon has talked about in August and September events, in particular WorldCon and FanX Words of Brandon. There's so much to analyze that we are doing a second one of these next week, and then there will be Legion Words of Brandon soon too. 

This episode has some crazy bombs: a third storm, a Cultivationlight? What! There's a surprising amount of detailed questions on the kandra. And, of course, we have the classics, like the Everstorm and Gavilar's black sphere. There's Hoid stuff, Bloody Tan, and, of course, obviously, Jurassic Park jokes. Yes, we're 100% on task on this one.

We have Eric (Chaos), Ian (WeiryWriter), Evgeni (Argent), and back from the dead is Ben (Overlord Jebus) who got married! We also completely wreck this week's Who's That Cosmere Character (55:30). It's incredible. 

 




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1 hour ago, Kidpen said:

A shardcast at a reasonable time? *shock*

Their schedule is like the Highstorms, regular and unpredictable at the same time. Like Highstorms, Shardcasts are also magical!

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The story of the Salt Lake Comic Con getting sued is much more involved and nuanced than "the SLCC people were at SDCC trying to get fans to go to their con instead," and the people who come across looking like the bad guys when you know the broader story are the folks in San Diego.

What you have to understand is that the term "comic con" is both 1) descriptive (the literal meaning of the words is simply to describe the class of thing that a comic con is) and 2) generic (in broad, general use and generally understood by the public to refer to the class of thing that the name describes.)  According to trademark law, both of those are things that can not be trademarked.  (Just imagine if IBM tried to trademark the word "computer," for example!)  And yet the folks at SDCC somehow managed to get a trademark on the term "comic con" anyway, and started extorting all of the other comic-cons in the country to pay them licensing fees on the name.

The guys at SLCC said no, that's not how trademark works, and they were right.  There is no possible way that that trademark is valid given the above, especially considering that there were other groups using the term before SDCC first opened!  Unfortunately, SDCC managed to get the case heard in a court in San Diego (so much for impartiality!) where the judge did a bunch of completely absurd things--including a completely illegal gag order that violated SLCC's basic rights and got overturned by an appeals court on First Amendment grounds--so it's not surprising that the ruling, when it came, ruled against them.  Appeals are still ongoing, of course, but for the moment that's the ruling so they had to change their name.

And honestly, if they were doing stuff like that to me, I'd try to draw fans away from them too!  Afterall, this is a convention for geeks, and the one thing geeks hate more than anything else is bullies.  With the stunt SDCC pulled, they deserve to be boycotted out of existence!

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I think the stormlight = pure Honor investiture makes sense, even if the spren are a mix of Honor and Cultivation. The Nahel bond is an oath between humans and spren that allows use of stormlight. Bonds and oaths are pretty much Honors thing, therefore an oath allows radiants to use his power. Access to Cultivations power is done some other way, no idea what that is though!

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So just a thought to pick at and I am most likely wrong but what if the weeping is Cultivation’s “storm”... first thing that popped in my head 

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This may not have been the most focused Shardcast, but it was definitely one of the most fun.

Aluminum foil hat: ‘They’ll come from the origin, with light in their pockets.’ What light? Thirdlight. Maybe the sailors Puuli is watching for will have Cultivation’s light?

Slightly less aluminum foil hat: Honor may have saw that he would die, or maybe Cultivation saw for him, so he placed as much of his own investiture in the physical realm as possible without causing more problems, where it could be used against Odium. This could possibly explain why Stormlight would be pure Honor, and why Cultivation seems to be less visibly invested on Roshar.

Unnecessary amounts of aluminum foil hat (this is a joke): The black sphere is filled with Thirdlight, not voidlight, and Cultivation’s vessel is named Vax.

Also, I did not expect my Who’s That Cosmere Character to be guessed on clue #1. That was impressive.

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3 hours ago, Sylfan said:

So just a thought to pick at and I am most likely wrong but what if the weeping is Cultivation’s “storm”... first thing that popped in my head 

I would've liked this idea, but there is a WoB that says that "[crem and the Purelake] existed on the planet before Cultivation arrived." Now, so did highstorms, and they now carry what we are starting to believe is Honor's Investiture, so it's fully possible that Cultivation pulled a similar thing and crem carries hers. Which, in turn, could play into the Shard poop WoB, as well as crem's beneficial properties for farming. So maybe I do like it after all :)

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13 hours ago, PelekinikeleT said:

Congrats to overlord and lady jeebus :)

Thank you so much! I'll pass on the message :D

@Mason Wheeler Thank you for that, I haven't looked into the situation at all so this was very informative.

 

9 hours ago, Mistspren said:

Also, I did not expect my Who’s That Cosmere Character to be guessed on clue #1. That was impressive.

I know right??? I thought this one was going to stump them!

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I don't know about anyone else, but I've always kind of wanted Vax to be somewhat akin to Mortis from Star Wars:TCW

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My immediate thought from "there may be dragons hiding among onscreen characters" was Felt...

Which was immediately squashed when I searched for Felt WoBs. It says he was born on Scadrial and is a third son of a minor noble family.

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Child of Hodor

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23 hours ago, Singer said:

I think the stormlight = pure Honor investiture makes sense, even if the spren are a mix of Honor and Cultivation. The Nahel bond is an oath between humans and spren that allows use of stormlight. Bonds and oaths are pretty much Honors thing, therefore an oath allows radiants to use his power. Access to Cultivations power is done some other way, no idea what that is though!

I feel like there is some of Cultivation in the way the Radiants work. They don't swear all their Oaths at once. There is a progression of oaths and the further along the progression the greater the power they gain. Progression, or Growth of Character is the core of the KR ideals. The Character part is of Honor the Growth part is of Cultivation. 

Some KR spren like Wyndle are so heavily Cultivation, I feel like she was involved. Plus, there is a painting Shallan recognizes as the "pagan" goddess Cultivation in the giant room Shallan confronts Re-Sephir in, in Urithiru home base of the KR. 

That isn't to say Stormlight isn't pure Honor, I just see a significant Cultivation influence on the KR. 

Wild guess: the Stone and Crem are her access points. There are quite a few references to "spren of stone" in Roshar. The Listeners, Horneaters and Shin all talk about them in their mythologies. The Shin worship the stone which is at least in part because they were told long ago to stay in Shinovar where there is soil to walk on, but there may be more going on (isn't there always :) ). 

EDIT: Argent already addressed crem in the thread. Yeah, if I had a choice between using magic powered by inhaling beautiful light that made me glow or powered by a brown paste that seems like a mix of sediment and filth I would choose the light every time. 

16 hours ago, Argent said:

I would've liked this idea, but there is a WoB that says that "[crem and the Purelake] existed on the planet before Cultivation arrived." Now, so did highstorms, and they now carry what we are starting to believe is Honor's Investiture, so it's fully possible that Cultivation pulled a similar thing and crem carries hers. Which, in turn, could play into the Shard poop WoB, as well as crem's beneficial properties for farming. So maybe I do like it after all :)

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Could Cultivation light be the light that Dalinar was seeing at the end of OB? I'm doing my best to avoid a Cultivation's Investiture is only accessible through food, joke. 

Congratulations to @Overlord Jebus and Overlady Jebus! I thought it was funny how WTCC got wrekt.

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20 hours ago, Mistspren said:

Aluminum foil hat: ‘They’ll come from the origin, with light in their pockets.’ What light? Thirdlight. Maybe the sailors Puuli is watching for will have Cultivation’s light?

Huh, that's an interesting idea. We're not seeing an obvious Cultivation influence because she's more heavily invested in the islands on the other side of Roshar, and there's an entirely different magic system there. 

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Loved the discussion of Bloody Tan and Lessie. I like the idea that Tan is a failed agent of Harmony, possibly driven insane by the idea of a loss of free will (or loss of autonomy?), and that all people were puppets. I thought it might be worth adding a crackpot theory: Tan was embalming or mummifying people and posing people in a bizarre imitation of their lives and occupations. It seems like he was preserving them. This seems to argue he was influenced by Harmony. Sazed keeps talking about the problems of wielding Harmony, the balance he has to keep. Maybe Tan is a result of trying to use too much of Preservation? Tan seems to be taking preservation to its natural extreme, killing them in order to do so, or in the process of doing so.

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On 9/28/2018 at 1:29 PM, Child of Hodor said:

That isn't to say Stormlight isn't pure Honor, I just see a significant Cultivation influence on the KR. 

I absolutely agree. The KR are a mix of Honor and Cultivation influence. Honor's stormlight powers the radiants power, I think because of the oaths. I wonder if they could also use Cultivation's power to use their surges or if her power would provide something totally different through different means? I like the idea of Cultivation's investiture being accessed by stone! That would fit really well with the Stone Shaman.

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1 minute ago, Singer said:

I absolutely agree. The KR are a mix of Honor and Cultivation influence. Honor's stormlight powers the radiants power, I think because of the oaths. I wonder if they could also use Cultivation's power to use their surges or if her power would provide something totally different through different means? I like the idea of Cultivation's investiture being accessed by stone! That would fit really well with the Stone Shaman.

I've thought about it more and think her contribution may be, at least in part, the gemstones and gemhearts. She is the "Mother" of the magic systems and provides the "womb" that holds Honor's "seed" the Stormlight. Radiants need both because they need gems to collect the Stormlight before they can breath it in (except for Lift).

 

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21 minutes ago, Child of Hodor said:

I've thought about it more and think her contribution may be, at least in part, the gemstones and gemhearts. She is the "Mother" of the magic systems and provides the "womb" that holds Honor's "seed" the Stormlight. Radiants need both because they need gems to collect the Stormlight before they can breath it in (except for Lift).

 

That's a great theory too!

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Guys great podcast!! Very entertaining! First @Overlord JebusCongrats friend!! I hope you and Overlady are blessed by all Shards with the happiest and strongest of unions for many many years!! I remember when my husband and I got married at an Oktoberfest and we are still very happy together. 

I am so glad I am not the only one who felt that Bloody Tan felt so bloody unresolved. I feel like you guys, there needs to be a resolution or some type of explanation. 

Out of everything you guys talked about, Cultivation as always is the most intriguing. See out of all the Shards on Roshar, Cultivation felt the most attainable. And by that I mean, the purpose of the Shard feels earthy, tangible. When you think of cultivating anything I think of cultivating plants, people, tangible objects. So, I wouldn't be surprised if the crem or stone was Invested with Cultivation light. We still don't know that much about the Shin, but I wouldn't be surprised if they know something about the Stone Spren, which I theorize might be a spren purely of Cultivation. The same with crem, it helps preserve life from the ruthless Highstorms and allows things to grow and cultivate. I do agree with other commenters that the KR have heavy influences from both Honor and Cultivation. I mean Edgedancers anyone? That being said I think Cultivation and Honor had an idea of how difficult this war of attrition against Odium would be. Therefore, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Cultivation has been subtly influencing the planet and its inhabitants while holding back. Ultimately, she needs life of some kind to Cultivate; so she's gonna need a surprise weapon for the enemy. One of those I believe is Nightblood and another I believe is Renarin. There is something about Renarin and the nature of his spren. I think he is a totally new order or mishmash of Radiant/Cultivationlight user. Nightblood is obvious, it can kill anything. How she made sure it got into Szeth's hands though is a mystery. All in all guys thanks for the listen! You guys are great I look forward to this! Thanks.

 

 

 

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