StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 Okay, coolio, sad I’m not first, but that’s okay. Gonna go ahead and say that this game will go on a lot longer than Illwei thinks it will. Elims don’t have a kill (perhaps the secret rule is related to this), so I’m assuming 4 elims. Assuming only one player dies each cycle and Experience doesn’t call the game once it’s obvious the village has lost, game won’t end until C4/5 or so. Still, despite that, I think 3 elims is more likely just because there’s only 11 players and I thought there were 12 until just now. Just saying that 4 elims is definitely a distinct possibility, and we should assume 4 elims until proven otherwise to be safe. Anyway, reading Illwei as village for the first time ever because she clearly forgot that the elims don’t have a kill, and I will now go the whole rest of the game not voting for her. Anyway, Archer. @Archer Calling this a love vote. Similar to Araris’s stab votes, this vote isn’t moving for a long time in order to create pressure. Unlike a stab vote, however, this vote can be persuaded to leave Archer for a more suitable lover fitting vote at a later time.
Illwei Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 21 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: Okay, coolio, sad I’m not first, but that’s okay. Gonna go ahead and say that this game will go on a lot longer than Illwei thinks it will. Elims don’t have a kill (perhaps the secret rule is related to this), so I’m assuming 4 elims. Assuming only one player dies each cycle and Experience doesn’t call the game once it’s obvious the village has lost, game won’t end until C4/5 or so. Still, despite that, I think 3 elims is more likely just because there’s only 11 players and I thought there were 12 until just now. Just saying that 4 elims is definitely a distinct possibility, and we should assume 4 elims until proven otherwise to be safe. Anyway, reading Illwei as village for the first time ever because she clearly forgot that the elims don’t have a kill, and I will now go the whole rest of the game not voting for her. Anyway, Archer. @Archer Calling this a love vote. Similar to Araris’s stab votes, this vote isn’t moving for a long time in order to create pressure. Unlike a stab vote, however, this vote can be persuaded to leave Archer for a more suitable lover fitting vote at a later time. I didn't forget that they don't have a kill, but with all vanilla there is little reason to think that we haven't lost once they outnumber. Either there's a neutral and we have still lost anyways, it just gives them more time to win, or there's some Vote manip or similar that would make sense. Right now I'm assuming that there's a neutral, so either 7 v. 3 or 6 v. 4. assuming worst case/best case either side, with 7v3 we go: D1: 7-3 D2: 6-3 D3: 5-3 D4: 4-3 D5: 3-3 at this point they've won, I think it's pretty easy to pull off a win at 3-3 if you have at least one trusted teammate. this is technically 5 miselims to win. Either that or we need three correct kills to win. with 6v4 we go D1: 6-4 D2: 5-4 D3: 4-4 so they'd need three successful turns, technically two, to outnumber and then they'd have control over thread and the vote. I don't think either of these are great. If the role is just a villager with a role, then I'd probably assume 7-4 because that's 4 votes to take out the Elims and 4 votes for the Elims to take out village. The thing is, if it's not a villager (a neutral) then the game seems unbalanced in favor of Elims, and if it is a villager then then what would the point of not calling it at outnumbering be?
dannnex male Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) I bet the secret role is a Jester-type one. This game’s only mechanic is voting, so it fits thematically. I’ll poke vote SummerSommer since they are brand new. @SummerSomner welcome to the game! You alive? Edited June 2, 2021 by Dannex
Liranil she/her Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Dannex said: I bet the secret role is a Jester-type one. This game’s only mechanic is voting, so it fits thematically. Wowwww that makes a lot of sense. It would also explain why both sides have to be completely voted out. 5 hours ago, StrikerEZ said: Anyway, reading Illwei as village for the first time ever because she clearly forgot that the elims don’t have a kill, and I will now go the whole rest of the game not voting for her. Illwei did explain herself later but I would've hesitated to clear her based on seemingly forgetting that elims don't have a kill. That's something that could easily be faked, which makes me a little sus of you. 5 hours ago, Illwei said: The thing is, if it's not a villager (a neutral) then the game seems unbalanced in favor of Elims, and if it is a villager then then what would the point of not calling it at outnumbering be? Illwei's whole explanation makes sense to me. I'm still inclined to overestimate the number of elims, but idk. I hesitate to assume what the special role could be, but I'm inclined to think Dannex's idea of a Jester role makes a lot of sense. Making each side completely vote the other off would give a jester more timw and opportunities to make themself look sus. I'm not sure tho, and now I'm going to be nervous about voting the rest of the game. XD As a side note, rollover is at midnight my time so don't be surprised if it takes me a while to get in thread each cycle. Edited June 2, 2021 by Liranil
Kings_way he/they Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Dannex said: I bet the secret role is a Jester-type one. This game’s only mechanic is voting, so it fits thematically. Also, there was a jester (the imperial fool) in the Emperor's Soul, so it fits very well. A jester would make the wincons more interesting; even if the elim's outnumber the villagers, they'd still have to get each villager, while avoiding a jester. Anyone want to PM me?
Archer he/him Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 Columbus, famed detective with a lazy eye for detail, bumbled around the body, licking the decorative flowers in all the vases for Mysterious Reasons. "Excuse me, miss," he asked the body. "Do you know where I could find the bathroom?" That question alone would tell him everything he needed to know, but as he shambled away, trench coat dragging along the floor tiles, he was already planning to talk to ten other people before the episode was finished, just to keep things interesting. I'll agree there's a minimum of three elims. If it gets down to one, they have such reduced odds of winning that four might make sense, just to account for how things could go sideways quickly for them. Also, to borrow a Lego Movie term, I am the Special. I won't say what the role does, or its alignment, but feel free to PM me.
Illwei Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 Even if the secret role is village, that means that if there were 4 elims itd be 4-7, and thats 3 for the elims and 4 for the village. And the secret role being village makes NO sense if the elims have to eliminate the ENTIRE village, because it's a vanilla game. 2 hours ago, Liranil said: Illwei did explain herself later but I would've hesitated to clear her based on seemingly forgetting that elims don't have a kill. That's something that could easily be faked, which makes me a little sus of you. Sus on liranil for this: People who aren't new pretty rarely fake townslips, even if I didnt. She's both denying Striker a village read while opening him up for suspicion.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) Archer apparently being the special gives me all the more reason to leave my love vote where it is. If he dies and is the special, then we quickly solve that mystery. Plus I don’t know if I actually believe him, and I think elims have more of an incentive to falsely claim that than villagers do. Also, yeah, agreeing with Illwei that Liranil immediately jumping on me for saying Illwei townslipped felt very opportunistic, trying to get a quick smear going on someone. I do disagree with Illwei about the secret role. We know nothing about it, so who knows what it could be doing or how it affects the village and elim wincons. Saying it doesn’t make sense for it to be a villager is a bit presumptive in my opinion. EDIT: typo Edited June 2, 2021 by StrikerEZ
Liranil she/her Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: Archer apparently being the special gives me all the more reason to leave my love vote where it is. If he dies and is the special, then we quickly solve that mystery. Plus I don’t know if I actually believe him, and I think elims have more of an incentive to falsely claim that than villagers do. Also, yeah, agreeing with Illwei that Liranil immediately jumping on me for saying Illwei townslipped felt very opportunistic, trying to get a quick smear going on someone. I didn't think I was jumping on you? I just don't think forgetting part of the rules is AI. An elim, especially one who's used to having a kill, can easily forget they don't have one in this game. And you saying she townslipped wasn't what made me suspicious, it was that you seemed so confident about clearing her. It felt kinda like a pocket to me. 27 minutes ago, Illwei said: Even if the secret role is village, that means that if there were 4 elims itd be 4-7, and thats 3 for the elims and 4 for the village. And the secret role being village makes NO sense if the elims have to eliminate the ENTIRE village, because it's a vanilla game. Sus on liranil for this: People who aren't new pretty rarely fake townslips, even if I didnt. She's both denying Striker a village read while opening him up for suspicion. I don't understand why this being a vanilla game makes it so unlikely for the secret role to be village. The role could be practically anything, like a vote manip, a healer, or someone with an extra kill. Those kinds of things could be village and could be reasons why both sides have to kill everyone. "Denying Striker a village read" is an interesting way of saying opening you up for suspicion. And you've definitely played more than I have, so you know what's normal, but since you know it's not normal for experienced players like yourself to fake townslip, that would be a great way to throw people off, so to me, it's NAI. Overall, what I guess I'm trying to say is I don't think what Illwei said is a townslip at all. Forgetting parts of the game, especially at the beginning, is NAI to me.
Illwei Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 23 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: I do disagree with Illwei about the secret role. We know nothing about it, so who knows what it could be doing or how it affects the village and elim wincons. Saying it doesn’t make sense for it to be a villager is a bit presumptive in my opinion. With everyone being vanilla theres no reason to leave the game going on until everyone is dead. So I think @Experiencewill the game be called if the Elims have majority and the special role is dead? 4 minutes ago, Liranil said: Overall, what I guess I'm trying to say is I don't think what Illwei said is a townslip at all. Forgetting parts of the game, especially at the beginning, is NAI to me. Okay, I like this explaination. Typically I'm more accepting of slips from experienced players because personally every time I've done a village slip, I've been village, and I've been voted off for it for "trying to act village." Knowing that people think I'm trying to fake it, I'd be less inclined to try as an Elim, because they'd think that I'm trying to fake it. Really depends on the meta in the current game though, but-
Azmine_king Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 At first, I was going with the assumption that the secret role was town-aligned, but with Archer's one post I'm going to say he's probably neutral. If he is neutral then there's most likely 3 mafia/elim or whatever. I don't see any way there's 4 scum excluding a neutral, even if Archer is town-aligned.
SummerSomner Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 9 hours ago, Dannex said: I bet the secret role is a Jester-type one. This game’s only mechanic is voting, so it fits thematically. I’ll poke vote SummerSommer since they are brand new. @SummerSomner welcome to the game! You alive? was asleep. game starts late fr me. hi how r u ppl r voting. maybe i should to. how do u vote with no info tho/ im confused whats the normal scum ratio nd how does pming work like how do imake one i know he concept
Illwei Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, SummerSomner said: was asleep. game starts late fr me. hi how r u ppl r voting. maybe i should to. how do u vote with no info tho/ im confused whats the normal scum ratio nd how does pming work like how do imake one i know he concept Voting with no info is how we get info. Especially in a vanilla game, we have no action results to go off, and especially in a true nightless, where we have no night kills to go off of. Usually it's 25% ish (or 33 - 1, right? :P.), give or take ehhhhhh 5%? Normally it should take the same amount of perfect eliminations for the Elims to win and for the Village. Top right, little mailbox guy, click him, click new message
Experience he/him Posted June 2, 2021 Author Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Illwei said: @Experiencewill the game be called if the Elims have majority and the special role is dead? I believe that one side can only have a 100% chance of winning if their wincon is met, but if it gets to a point where they would win no matter what then it would be probable that the game would be called.
Illwei Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 Okay. Neutral being a jester with the wincon of dying makes sense, just...just not with Archer claiming the role. lmao.
Archer he/him Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 If anyone wants to know, PM me and I'll talk about the role. It's not what you think it is, although that would have been cool Also, Striker seemed defensive AND voted for me, which is rood. Rollover is at 1am for me I think, so let's sort out the exe earlier than that please. Striker
Ashbringer he/him Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 The pool in Arelon shimmered for a second before a blurred form jumped out, panting. AraRaash looked around. "Wait. Sel? That's not it." He reached into his stomach, pulling out a few wooden boards. Nice boards, from Nalthis. When he went to Nalthis, he didn't quite remember, but he liked them. And putting this next to a perpendicularity, even a "dead" one, needed some form of respect. AraRaash quickly carved a sign with his knives, looked and nodded, then jumped back in the perpendicularity. "Gone Fishing" Hello! Faleast and AraRaash will be absent for the time being, but I'll be still around. I have a few ideas for our secret role, but if that's Archer, then... let's see if I'm right then.
dannnex male Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 Proposal: we all just refer to the secret role as “the role”. There’s only one, adding “secret” in front of it is quite redundant.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 New proposal: from here on out we only refer to the secret role as “the secret secret role.” Can never have too many secrets.
dannnex male Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, StrikerEZ said: New proposal: from here on out we only refer to the secret role as “the secret secret role.” Can never have too many secrets. Ah crap, you’re right. Actually, better add another one “the secret secret secret role” because as we all know, there’s always another secret.
Archer he/him Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 That's how double negatives work, right. Seems legit
Ashbringer he/him Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 Proposal: there's not much of a point of calling it a secret role when Archer's telling everyone what it is... beyond that I don't care. I'm still pretending it's a Bloodsealer.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 Okay, so, I’m about to leave for work and won’t be back until just before rollover, and I’ll probably be a bit more focused on eating and showering before bed. So, just wanna say that I think my vote on Archer is still great, I think confirming the existence of a neutral by killing them is a great idea, solid plan. In the meantime, I still sus Liranil and trust Illwei. Not much of an opinion on anyone else.
Szeth Pancakes he/they Posted June 2, 2021 Posted June 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Illwei said: @Szeth_Pancakes Szeth Pancakes Well hello there Illwei I am alive! Sorry about the inactivity earlier. @The Windrunner Supreme hasn't posted yet, I believe.
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