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[Frustration]

11 minutes ago, BenduLuke said:

Do you think Scadrial might have a dawnshard? There are 16 after all.

There are 4

[BenduLuke he/him]

2 hours ago, Frustration said:

There are 4

I stand corrected. 16 sounded right since there are 16 shards.

[LewsTherinTelescope]

On 4/16/2021 at 0:54 PM, BenduLuke said:

I think there is a form of Feruchemy that Might allow that. ;-0

Seriously though what you propose sounds like something related to a truesoul master.

I don't see why a Ferring would be able to change the Identity of anything outside themselves, let alone a whole planet.

On 4/16/2021 at 0:54 PM, BenduLuke said:

That would mean changing a planets identity.

And Connection, and likely would require changing individual things on the planet as well, if plants and animals exist, and this is assuming the planet would include everything in the correct manner (for example, destroying the Cogntive aspect of a castle wouldn't change other things in the castle; now think about how many things are on a whole planet).

[ScadrianTank he/him]

19 hours ago, LewsTherinTelescope said:

I don't see why a Ferring would be able to change the Identity of anything outside themselves, let alone a whole planet.

In BoM, iron Feruchemy was used to affect the whole airship, so there might be a way.

On 16.04.2021 at 8:54 PM, BenduLuke said:

That would mean changing a planets identity.

 

19 hours ago, LewsTherinTelescope said:

And Connection, and likely would require changing individual things on the planet as well, if plants and animals exist, and this is assuming the planet would include everything in the correct manner (for example, destroying the Cogntive aspect of a castle wouldn't change other things in the castle; now think about how many things are on a whole planet).

I don't see why you would need to change individual things.  If a planet already has life on it that is incompatible with our species, why are we considering it for terraforming? And if genocide isn't something we care about, why bother changing them?

If we have a planet like Mars, what would we change to make it more hospitable to human life? Making the atmosphere breathable and denser to block solar radiation would be the main thing, then water more accessible. This can be done with Forgery. After that, we can bring plants and animals in separately. Looking at it in terms of Spiritual attributes, we manipulate Identity to get the atmosphere and topography, Speed for orbital and rotational periods, and Mass for gravity.

The complexity of changes is not a limiting factor here, scale is. 

[LewsTherinTelescope]

36 minutes ago, ScadrianTank said:

In BoM, iron Feruchemy was used to affect the whole airship, so there might be a way.

Wait, I thought they only stored their own weight? I could be wrong tho.

36 minutes ago, ScadrianTank said:

I don't see why you would need to change individual things.  If a planet already has life on it that is incompatible with our species, why are we considering it for terraforming? And if genocide isn't something we care about, why bother changing them?

If we have a planet like Mars, what would we change to make it more hospitable to human life? Making the atmosphere breathable and denser to block solar radiation would be the main thing, then water more accessible. This can be done with Forgery. After that, we can bring plants and animals in separately. Looking at it in terms of Spiritual attributes, we manipulate Identity to get the atmosphere and topography, Speed for orbital and rotational periods, and Mass for gravity.

You assume all of those things are seen as one object. And I highly doubt Identity is the only relevant concept there. Otherwise the entire rest of the spiritweb is a bit redundant, no?

[ScadrianTank he/him]

28 minutes ago, LewsTherinTelescope said:

Wait, I thought they only stored their own weight? I could be wrong tho.

From BoM chapter 29:

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The man’s eyes lit up. “Yes, sir! The machinery is operational, sheltered as it was from the weather. Sir … it’s amazing. You can feel the energy pulsing off that metal. We did have to send men out to unclog the fans – a few of the Coinshots helped – and we have them moving now. Fed is down below, priming the weight-changing machinery with her Feruchemy, to lighten the ship. That should be the last step!”

 

32 minutes ago, LewsTherinTelescope said:

You assume all of those things are seen as one object. And I highly doubt Identity is the only relevant concept there. Otherwise the entire rest of the spiritweb is a bit redundant, no?

That depends on how you look at it. When healing wounds with Stormlight or F-Gold, you don't have to think about individual organs or body parts, the body is just restored to the Spiritual ideal of how you perceive yourself. You don't have to think about individual organs or body parts. So I might be reaching here, but a planet perceiving the rock, metal, and gas as its "body" seems right.

[LewsTherinTelescope]

7 hours ago, ScadrianTank said:

From BoM chapter 29:

Oh interesting, thanks! Must've missed that.

7 hours ago, ScadrianTank said:

That depends on how you look at it. When healing wounds with Stormlight or F-Gold, you don't have to think about individual organs or body parts, the body is just restored to the Spiritual ideal of how you perceive yourself. You don't have to think about individual organs or body parts. So I might be reaching here, but a planet perceiving the rock, metal, and gas as its "body" seems right.

A person probably perceives themselves as themselves, but considering how air, spires of rock, etc are all separate things, I think that how absolutely massive a planet is means it tends to be perceived in smaller chunks that minds can handle better.

[BenduLuke he/him]

On 4/18/2021 at 9:58 PM, LewsTherinTelescope said:

Oh interesting, thanks! Must've missed that.

A person probably perceives themselves as themselves, but considering how air, spires of rock, etc are all separate things, I think that how absolutely massive a planet is means it tends to be perceived in smaller chunks that minds can handle better.

From what I have seen (considering how much effort I put into aluminum) Identity is the totality and borders of the thing or person. Multiple identities can be maintained within one identity. A heart within a body always views itself as a heart but connected to the body never the less the body perceives itself as a body and all within it as part of its identity, and beyond that a person considers the body as part of itself in addition to their connections, friendships, and other things that make up their concept of themselves. So a worlds Identity includes all on it and more. Mars would need to see itself as more massive and life giving but wouldn't necessarily need to change much of its topography much to do so. It might only need to change how it perceives itself going forward to be habitable and would then be able to add a connection to people and things it hasn't had before going forward. We don't generally consider ourselves as part of the world's Identity but we probably should since it probably does. I would bet that in the Cosmere the spiritweb considers everything and everyone to be part of its Identity so to approach changing a planets Identity one would need to approach it from from some higher degree like its system Identity downward like the Shards probably did.

@ScadrianTank Great responses thanks.

Over the weekend I was thinking about compounding and about some benefits of less combat oriented metals.

First let me define what I understand about compounding and its limits. A compounder like an Iron twin can store an attribute like weight in this instance. The person could store like Wax did about 25% of their weight estimated about 20 k for an hour which they could tap as 20 k extra for an hour or maybe 40 k for 20 minutes because there is an investiture cost to compressing what you have stored by taping in a for shortened time period. However if that same twin took that hours worth of storage and burned the metal mind they would receive about 200 k of tappable weight for an hour or 10 hours of 20 k additional weight. No loss because there is no compression. Each time they compound they get about a 10x return such that 20k becomes 200k which becomes 2,000k and so on or grants 10 hours to 100 hours to 1,000 hours or some combination of weight over time. I picked weight as an example because I could keep the units separate.

I was thinking Brass compounders would make excellent long distance athletes and explorers since they could store the heat from burning muscles and thus resist fatigue for long periods. They could also handle extreme temperatures because in tropic or desert environs they could store the excess heat avoiding heat stroke and need less water and in arctic environs they could compound and tap heat to stay warm. They might also be resistant to heat based division or soulcasting attacks since they could probably store that heat as well.

Zinc compounders might make brilliant research leaders since they could both rapidly learn and digest information and drive others to work at peak effort while within their influence maintaining in others a constant level of curiosity and alertness to drive research. They would probably be the worlds best multi-taskers as well.

Bronze compounders could be tireless researchers with innate perception of investiture based studies or sentinals against invested attacks able to remain alert indefinitely so long as they have bronze. A person like this would be invaluable working with a Navani on light studies or with anyone else wanting to fathom investiture secrets like the above mentioned Zinc compounder.