Quick Fix 50: Return to Tar Valon

[+Lotus she/her]

Time to keep up my goal of RPing every turn:

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Ilyanna was spotted by one of the men on guard duty. "You there, what are you doing outside of camp at night."

She came out of the shadows, her Warder cloak making her hard to spot among the darkness. "Forgive me, but the errand of my Aes Sedai is none of your concern."

The man paled as he saw her. "Forgive me sir, I assumed..."

"It is fine. I am Lyan. Would you mind warning the next man at this post that I may have to slip out again before dawn?"

"Of course."

Ilyanna came into the camp, relived that he hadn't stopped her. People were giving less and less respect for warders these days. Still, it was good that he hadn't figured out she was a women, that had happened a while back. It was still a surprise that the Aes Sedai hadn't realized she was a female warder, although perhaps they did know and were just ignoring her.

[James Brafin he/him]

I can't believe I'm coming back to this thought after like six hours, but it seems to have gone over heads. (Mind you, I'm still trying to catch up.)
My whole point with Dannex was not to debate the possibility of being framed. My point was he somehow knew he was framed for a misshrek by the Elims, without there being any evidence for Lotus to be a misshrek. Put more simply, Dannex knows that Lotus is Town, without having any reason to know that Lotus is town. That's why I was (and remain) suspicious of him in this cycle.

Edited January 16, 2021 by James Brafin

[Illwei]

1 minute ago, James Brafin said:

he somehow knew he was framed for a mislynch by the Elims, without there being any evidence for Lotus to be a mislynch.

Maybe I'm a fool for doing so, but I still don't think that what you pointed you is neccesarily a slip.

[Gears]

2 minutes ago, James Brafin said:

I can't believe I'm coming back to this thought after like six hours, but it seems to have gone over heads. (Mind you, I'm still trying to catch up.)
My whole point with Dannex was not to debate the possibility of being framed. My point was he somehow knew he was framed for a misshrek by the Elims, without there being any evidence for Lotus to be a misshrek. Put more simply, Dannex knows that Lotus is Town, without having any reason to know that Lotus is town. That's why I was (and remain) suspicious of him in this cycle.

As I stated earlier, my interpretation of their statement was that they were claiming that they were being set up for a mis-X in the future, not that Lot was a mis-X. I personally didn't see anything that suggested Danex thought Lot was vil. [Also, how could you give into Kai's new turn of phrase? How could you? I know I lost the roll off, but still.]

[James Brafin he/him]

9 hours ago, Dannex said:

I think the two vote removes on me were the only two vote manips we have. I’d guess one was from someone who thinks I’m village, and the other was from an Elim trying to make me look sus for a mislynch.

This right here? The only way I can parse this is that it was referring to this particular vote. and cycle, not a future one. It doesn't make sense that an Elim would use vote tampering now to set someone up in the future.

[Mat he/him]

48 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Someone post analysis so I can sheep you please ;-; I don't have the energy ;-;

What, you missed my entire reads post?  Everyone did. Hey everyone read that please :P. It's found HERE! :).

38 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Mat

...

So I'm uh trying to figure out the motivation here... Gears says that if Connie's village they should have misexed her and then that would have cast shade on me. So you jumping to vote me indicated you think Connie is vil, which you... already said. But why the vote?

Also is shreked actually becoming used lol.

[Illwei]

1 minute ago, James Brafin said:

This right here? The only way I can parse this is that it was referring to this particular vote. and cycle, not a future one. It doesn't make sense that an Elim would use vote tampering now to set someone up in the future.

I'm not sure if it's...ever happened successfully here, but it's definitely a common theory that Elims will use vote manip on someone to throw suspicion on them that the Elims were trying to save them.

[Guest Breaker]

12 minutes ago, James Brafin said:

he somehow knew he was framed for a misshrek by the Elims, without there being any evidence for Lotus to be a misshrek. 

That's one round of me not voting for you purchased! Come again!

Edit: Can we get a vote check? 

Edited January 16, 2021 by Breaker

[dannnex male]

22 minutes ago, James Brafin said:

I can't believe I'm coming back to this thought after like six hours, but it seems to have gone over heads. (Mind you, I'm still trying to catch up.)
My whole point with Dannex was not to debate the possibility of being framed. My point was he somehow knew he was framed for a misshrek by the Elims, without there being any evidence for Lotus to be a misshrek. Put more simply, Dannex knows that Lotus is Town, without having any reason to know that Lotus is town. That's why I was (and remain) suspicious of him in this cycle.

This is a huge jump to conclusions. I didn’t know, we still don’t know. I guessed that the Elims were trying to frame me, and if you see the conclusion we came to, we determined that the Elims weren’t trying to frame me at all! The Greys don’t remove a vote from a player, they remove a players vote. Did you miss all that? I think you either just slipped something big or are drastically misunderstanding something. I don’t think Lotus is village at all, my read on them is Null to Very Slight Elim. Wait what does lotus have to do with this at all???

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It doesn't make sense that an Elim would use vote tampering now to set someone up in the future.

This happened like, very recently. Fairly common Elim tactic. Can’t remember exactly where, but setting up mishangs using vote manip is absolutely a viable and common Elim strat. What is an Elim Vote remover going to do with their action if no Elims are in danger? Try to sow confusion to make future mishangs more possible.

Edited January 16, 2021 by Dannex

[Illwei]

I will now respond to mat's reads! (even if no one responds to my posts grumble grumble /s :P)

2 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Dannex: A perhaps controversial Village. I don't see him sticking with the ideas and plans he had the way he did otherwise. MR47 he was definitely flying under the radar as much as he could, and I don't see that here at all.

Yeah, those are the points I kept bringing up. You could say that he's learned from his recent Elim game, but this feels way too much like village!Danex to me. He always has controversial opinions and sticks with them. the only thing I don't like about him is his fear of death it seems rn. Been a bit but I don't quite remember that. 

Honestly with no one else really apparently thinking this, I start to wonder about matr-

2 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Illwei: Our reads are nearly identical and I don't know what to think about that. Null.

...

2 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

James: Can any of the people reading him evil tell me why they think so? Null.

@Liranil is one of them. I tagged the other earlier. James seems incredibly villager-y :P.

 - He's taking time to go through and putting effort in.
 - He's got strong opinions and okay pushing them (ignore my fear of powerwolfs from QF49 *looks to Archer* )
 - He thought that the two people in the writeup were real, dead people. Fake slip? maybe who knows but I don't think so :/

2 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Quinn: I'd have to check her village games, but I recall Quinn... taking the charge, coming up with ideas, etc more in her elim game, and I see her doing the same now.

Quinn also does this in her village games. I think the difference wouldn't be that obvious. I'll definiteyl need to reread Quinn and take notes on her, but- her trying to control the thread isn't AI for her.

2 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Condensation: A pinch of gut, a bit of the vote on Dannex, a bit of 'her being attacked makes zero sense to me unless WGG'. Mild Elim.

"Safest Kill" by Illwei:

Played enough games that people don't feel bad killing her off
Started getting more confident in killing people, so more likely to vote than Kingsway.
Most people in the game know of her, unlike some of the other players
And theres not really any of those who might see her as a huge threat
Didn't talk a lot D1, so not any info from the kill

In summary:
Inactive in game-related talk, mostly- so good kill for minimal info, active and confident enough to vote.

EDIT

20 minutes ago, Dannex said:

I don’t think Lotus is village at all, my read on them is Null to Very Slight Elim. Wait what does lotus have to do with this at all???

Lotus was the whole point. You said

9 hours ago, Dannex said:

It seems like things worked out pretty ok. Lotus didn’t even die.

which implied to me that you voted on Lotus in self-pres, and then were glad when they didn't die. you now saying that you have them at slight Elim voids this point I had. 

Edited January 16, 2021 by Illwei

[Guest Breaker]

I forget. We cool, Illwei? 

[Illwei]

Just now, Breaker said:

I forget. We cool, Illwei? 

Uh, what?

[Guest Breaker]

Oh, do you think I'm a filthy darkfriend?

[Illwei]

Just now, Breaker said:

Oh, do you think I'm a filthy darkfriend?

Yes 100% absolutely

[Guest Breaker]

Just now, Illwei said:

Yes 100% absolutely

Oh, darn. I'll trade you two hugs and a compliment if you dont tell anybody?

[Illwei]

Just now, Breaker said:

Oh, darn. I'll trade you two hugs and a compliment if you don't tell anybody?

/whisper Burnt there's this guy here trying to hug me

[|TJ| he/him]

VC:

Matrim's Dice (1): Illwei
Quinn0928 (1): Matrim's Dice
Illwei (1): Ashbringer
Dannex (1): Archer

And yes Grey Ajah removes a player's vote on someone else. 

[James Brafin he/him]

I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT HUGS

GIVE

Edited January 16, 2021 by James Brafin

[Guest Breaker]

Just now, James Brafin said:

I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT HUGS

*Hugs James*

[James Brafin he/him]

Yey

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

/whisper Burnt there's this guy here trying to hug me

/whisper Run. Flee as far as you can. Use the knife your siggy says you have. Hugs are not to be trusted!  He is definitely trying to murderdeath you! I mean he's a cuddly softy but still. NO TRUST!

[Illwei]

15 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

VC:

Matrim's Dice (1): Illwei
Quinn0928 (1): Matrim's Dice
Illwei (1): Ashbringer
Dannex (1): Archer

...

I don't

like

this

divided we stand and united we fall and we are nothing if not confused.

Edited January 16, 2021 by Illwei
quinn needs to vote on me or sumthin

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

8 minutes ago, Illwei said:

...

I don't

like

this

Do you need me to help make changes to it? My vote is up for auction if you can convince me

[Illwei]

2 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Do you need me to help make changes to it? My vote is up for auction if you can convince me

*sigh*

I can barely convince myself right now. ;-;

[|TJ| he/him]

*checks for the longest QF* Uh huh 30 pages, sure feels long. I wonder if we'll surpass it. *checks the number of pages of all cycle after adding* It's-uh already 29 pages. Huh. xD