Anniversary Game 7/Anonymous Game 9: From Embers, A Flame

[Sapphire Elephant]

"okaaaay preservashuns inveshticher then?"

[little wilson she/her]

2 minutes ago, Sage Kangaroo said:

Is vote manipulation shown?

Does Mercy make someone survive the vote, or does it make the next person die?

Yes.

If Mercy's investee is the person leading the removal, the next most-voted candidate would be removed, assuming there is someone who has more than 2 votes.

[Elbereth she/her]

2 minutes ago, Opal Lion said:

@Elbereth If survival is voted out, will it show no-kill or will it trickle down to the next top target?

 

2 minutes ago, Sapphire Elephant said:

"okaaaay preservashuns inveshticher then?"

Both of those circumstances would result in the person in question marked as "removed, but survived!" or some such, and would not trickle down.

[Opal Lion]

So, here is where I ask: 

does this clear Gecko? or did Mercy invest them as village?

Is mercy an Elim?

if the Elims have Mercy, what prevented them from doing this yesterday? does this imply E/E wagons with Kangaroo as possible Odium? I don't know :P. 

[Sage Kangaroo]

@Opal Lion PM requests from me:

• Lion
• Ostrich and Octopus
• Axolotl
• Mouse
• Dingo

Just now, little wilson said:

If Mercy's investee is the person leading the removal, the next most-voted candidate would be removed, assuming there is someone who has more than 2 votes.

Okay everyone, I'm assuming that this is what happened here.

I think there's a decent chance that this could be an elim-Mercy at work. Given the possibility of a repeat investment, I think I'd appreciate it if someone with a kill ability could take out Gecko? Preferably a Ruin investee, considering how they have to kill someone tonight.

1 minute ago, Opal Lion said:

if the Elims have Mercy, what prevented them from doing this yesterday? does this imply E/E wagons with Kangaroo as possible Odium? I don't know :P. 

Mercy can only invest during the night.

[Sapphire Elephant]

3 minutes ago, Opal Lion said:

if the Elims have Mercy, what prevented them from doing this yesterday? does this imply E/E wagons with Kangaroo as possible Odium? I don't know :P. 

"can only be done at night. hence couldnt save croc"

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Investiture: During the night, Mercy may target a player, investing them with Mercy’s power. The invested player is protected from the removal the following day. Cannot target the same person in consecutive cycles

edit: ninja

Edited January 3, 2021 by Sapphire Elephant
croc, not kanga

[Charcoal Hyena]

Nine people voted for Gecko, but only 7 took effect.
One vote was removed by the First Sun.
In addition, there is an extra vote on the Hound,
So one was moved away to the other one.
This means we have a Lightweaver in play,
Though whether elim or village we can't say.

As for the lizard's survival, I suspect
That they are Mercy's Investee,
As the Voices of God have confirmed
That this situation would work as we see.

However, this does not clear them,
Since Mercy can Invest Champions.
Mercy could even be evil,
Despite this complete upheaval
Of social expectations
Throughout our entire nation.

Congratulations to the PM maker,
Now make messages for me please,
With everyone, I'm a taker!
@Opal Lion, I know you can grant these.

[Opal Lion]

4 minutes ago, Sage Kangaroo said:

I think there's a decent chance that this could be an elim-Mercy at work. Given the possibility of a repeat investment, I think I'd appreciate it if someone with a kill ability could take out Gecko? Preferably a Ruin investee, considering how they have to kill someone tonight.

I second this. I don't want to waste another cycle on them, as they should have died. 

EDIT: fyi, I will not be granting any unspecified PMs 

Edited January 3, 2021 by Opal Lion

[Saffron Iguana]

Prudence, I'd like PMs with everyone please. And a new spanner to help with my inventing! If you're planning to be stingey about it, I'll settle for just ones with Opal Lion, Amber Vulture, Fuchsia Ostrich, and Violet Axolotl. 

Edit: just saw your FYI. I respect that decision (and am sure the mods thank you too). 

Edited January 3, 2021 by Saffron Iguana

[Chartreuse Penguin]

@Opal Lion PM requests from me:

everyone please.

[Azure Mouse]

5 minutes ago, Opal Lion said:

So, here is where I ask: 

does this clear Gecko? or did Mercy invest them as village?

Is mercy an Elim?

if the Elims have Mercy, what prevented them from doing this yesterday? does this imply E/E wagons with Kangaroo as possible Odium? I don't know :P. 

[OOC: Hmm. So Mercy must have really trusted Gecko - I still maintain that someone would be a fool not to see that Gecko was up for the lynch. I think the real question to me is, @Taupe Gecko, did you know of this? I assume the GMs should have informed you. If not, why not bring it up? Even if you were not believed, it is still better to have the thread consider this than not to. The results would otherwise have been:

• Waste a mobbing, because no one gets mobbed
• Someone whom no one wanted to get mobbed as badly gets mobbed (see: current scenario)

Knowing we should focus on someone else would've been a lot more helpful for this. I'm puzzled as to why you wouldn't talk about it since it'd likely encourage people to back off you, and if not, it'd really be out faults.]

[Fuchsia Ostrich]

"I'm sorry Oxblood, I was worried you would be on my side, but I couldn't risk Autonomy. I will strive to be better, and to make up for what I have unwittingly caused by removing a shard.

Dear Prudence, could you please put me back in touch with my prospective parents, Scarlet Octopus and Sage Kangaroo? They have done good in giving me advice, and I would welcome the help with figuring out how to atone.

And, umm, Rezarach says that someone thinks I'm on Braize right now, but that's not the case."

[Opal Lion]

I was informed that I was invested, so I assume Gecko did know. This also is a good point. They knew they wouldn't have died no matter what, so them not telling us was incredibly detrimental to the village. 

[Azure Mouse]

Just now, Opal Lion said:

I was informed that I was invested, so I assume Gecko did know. This also is a good point. They knew they wouldn't have died no matter what, so them not telling us was incredibly detrimental to the village. 

[OOC: This. Dropped a message to the GMs to check and yes, investees are always informed that they were invested in, who it was, and what it does. Gecko should have known and the failure to bring it up hardens my suspicions.]

[Taupe Gecko]

7 minutes ago, Azure Mouse said:

I assume the GMs should have informed you. If not, why not bring it up?

I... I didn’t even think of mentioning it. To be completely honest, I don’t know why the thought never occurred to me.

[Opal Lion]

Azure Mouse, Fuchsia Ostrich, Plum Rhinoceros, Taupe Gecko

These are the voters on Oxblood. 

I know where Plum and Azure are, they haven't been secretive about that- Taupe it was claimed is on First, and then that leaves you and two votes remaining, doesn't it? @Fuchsia Ostrich

[Charcoal Hyena]

3 minutes ago, Opal Lion said:

EDIT: fyi, I will not be granting any unspecified PMs 

Fine then. I request PMs with:
Amber Vulture, Azure Mouse,
Amethyst Scorpion, Fuschia Ostrich
Chartreuse Penguin, Coral Swan,
Indigo Weasel, Cream Tuatara,
Ivory Dragonfly, Magenta Albatross,
Opal Lion, Saffron Iguana,
Pearl Chameleon, Plum Rhinoceros,
Sapphire Elephant, Melon Dingo,
Quartz Zebra, Onyx Flamingo, 
Violet Axolotl, Taupe Gecko,
Scarlet Octopus, Turquoise Gorilla,
and Sage Kangaroo.
Is that good enough for you?

[Chartreuse Penguin]

I request PMs with:
Amber Vulture, Azure Mouse,
Amethyst Scorpion, Fuschia Ostrich
Chartreuse Penguin, Coral Swan,
Indigo Weasel, Cream Tuatara,
Ivory Dragonfly, Magenta Albatross,
Opal Lion, Saffron Iguana,
Pearl Chameleon, Plum Rhinoceros,
Sapphire Elephant, Melon Dingo,
Quartz Zebra, Onyx Flamingo, 
Violet Axolotl, Taupe Gecko,
Scarlet Octopus, Turquoise Gorilla,
and Sage Kangaroo.

[Fuchsia Ostrich]

2 minutes ago, Opal Lion said:

These are the voters on Oxblood. 

I know where Plum and Azure are, they haven't been secretive about that- Taupe it was claimed is on First, and then that leaves you and two votes remaining, doesn't it? @Fuchsia Ostrich

"I suppose they must be, but Rezzy and I are not on Braize. I wasn't even really planning on voting yesterday until Beagle was so creepy, so I had no reason to want to be on that planet. Couldn't an item or ability have doubled or moved a vote?"

[Charcoal Hyena]

11 minutes ago, Opal Lion said:

 

These are the voters on Oxblood. 

I know where Plum and Azure are, they haven't been secretive about that- Taupe it was claimed is on First, and then that leaves you and two votes remaining, doesn't it? @Fuchsia Ostrich

3 minutes ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said:

"I suppose they must be, but Rezzy and I are not on Braize. I wasn't even really planning on voting yesterday until Beagle was so creepy, so I had no reason to want to be on that planet. Couldn't an item or ability have doubled or moved a vote?"

'Twas a Weaver of Light
As the Gecko had one less vote.
Despite the odd sight,
Of this discrepancy you should note.

[Violet Axolotl]

Oh dear. Perhaps that was what I detected as odd...

I find the possibility of OC!Mercy... honestly a bit overpowered. But maybe, with the risk it holds, we should try to not as blatantly discuss suspicions in the Night? That sound good? If Mercy is evil, they targeted OC!Gecko as well. Or maybe CoA!Gecko as a frame but we won't get into that. If Mercy is CoA they targeted Gecko because they didn't think they were evil, which in my opinion would have been a bad move :P. Not just because I read them as OC, but because of the confusion it would cause.

I plan on voting Gecko next cycle, though. I don't like how it apparently 'never occurred to them to mention it' and the like.

Of the Oxblood voters besides Gecko, I find Rhinoceros the most suspicious. I've had a mild evil read on them for two turns or so.

@Opal Lion, I'd like a PM with Gorilla, as they asked for one earlier.

[Azure Mouse]

41 minutes ago, Violet Axolotl said:

But maybe, with the risk it holds, we should try to not as blatantly discuss suspicions in the Night? That sound good?

[OOC: I'm divided. Neutering discussion in the night is not great for the Village either as we have a whole 48 hour cycle and that's quite an opportunity cost. Maybe a more fluid suspicion list would work - it splits and forces Mercy to make a call. Or we can ensure the second leading removal candidate is someone we're pretty fine with getting executed as well. Just some thoughts. (Also, I imagine it would be awful if the second removal candidate was an Elim  Even if we had OC!Mercy.)

For Odious Mercy (lol what a name...) - I don't know. To me, apart from Ruin being on Odium's side, many lineups are not prima facie bad, they just demand different distros to compensate for them. Given Mercy either indiscriminately hoovers actions (which could allow her to be struck by roleblocks or stray kills), and once it's known Mercy is behaving in a hostile way, the benefit of surprise is lost, and it's harder to divert the lynch in a bad way - I can't see this being particularly OP.

I'm going to sleep and relook at my suspicions lists - which Gecko is definitely on - before making further comments on the suspicions front.]

Text in orange highlight has been added to finish my thought.

Edited January 3, 2021 by Azure Mouse

[Sapphire Elephant]

"okay mistah bird of prey, i shall answer your sushpishuns here, as i cud not reply in time before the cycle closed." @Amber Vulture

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There are three factors in this. First, the order of votes was Gecko (tieing Croc and Kangaroo, after vote manipulation is taken into account), Elephant (putting Croc in the lead), and Kangaroo (equalising again). That means that Gecko, as an Elim would have seen the vote as a coin flip, with a 50% chance that their save wouldn't work and have suspicion cast on Gecko as well. Elephant, by contrast, could have felt comfortable in the thought that saving a teammate would not be immediately noticed.

"coulda shifted to kanga then? if im oc, why wouldai take a chance, a 50 percent chance of saving a fella oc at the risk of sush on me. thats one more elim identity at risk ta be revealed."

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(The main flaw with this plan is to ask why Elephant didn't remove his vote sooner, when it would cast less suspicion, instead of in the final 5 minutes of the cycle. I suspect it may be because they simply weren't online until then. Their previous post was 10 hours before rollover, when Crocodile and Kangaroo were tied on 3 votes each.)

"issa false. i was on before. here is da proof. i had a pm with mistah ocho - scarlet octopus (the only one i had in d1) courteshy of old Prudie. the posht you refer, in which i changed my vote shows ta me as at dec 30, 07:56am. ive sent a message to mistah ocho at dec 30, 07:02am. a whole 54 mins before i poshted da posht. i was defo online before that, but dis is da earliest i was can prove i was on. ask @Scarlet Octopus. 54 mins gap. ocho. check it.

more points. when i shtarted writin up the posht you menshund, gecko hadnt voted yet. loook, ishha biig posht. 

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"hol awn jussht a minute crocy. was getting mighty sushpishus bout them stabs pilin on yourself, myself. jussht gotta let out a coupla thoughts i thunk in the meanwhile, lesht them eshcape the confinesh of this mind."

"dishtribewshun wise, doesnt make much sense for ati to side with biggy O. thatll give the baddies 3 (!) kills jusht in one night! also give them means to destroy roshar asappp and let big bad O rule over the ennntire coshmere. soooooo i think the ones up above hafta put ati against big O. ati might prolly be one of the moshhht important roleshh we have gainsht big O. ati, por favor dont deshtroy rosharan syshtems. nother  important fella is the coggy shad of old tanavast. fella, youre too old for this, sit this one out, we dont wantchya dead, so go hide yourself proper, and do your shtuff from behind the shcene."

"nother thing troublin me is your lads seemta wanta talk behind da schenes a lot. thish over-reliance of prude fella will shurelly bite us in the behind ehh? very fine chance this prudie fella is actchally with big bad lad! and yalls are givin them free reign over your info if prudie is evil they control which way info goes! heckkk they mighta paired us gainsht them mini Os so we talk and talk and talk and sleep snuggly in their pockets! na now i know how important informashun is ta us. all im sayin is stead of "heyy prudie, put me in with whoever you please" we read the thread, and onllyyy request secret talks with whome we might trushht. jushht be wary of evil Prudie. coz they directly ignored my shpeshific request, and made a random one. or the other person wanted ta talk to me, buuut i havent interacted with thme much here dont see whyy anyone would wantcha talk with a drunk in secret"

"right, comin ta poor crocy. ive seen sooooooooo many votes with no proper reashuns?? hecking heck? shure its da fursht day, but moshht of them dont even make no sense! like someone jusht voted for iguana who has shpoken like twice? hol on lemme jusht go check all dem votes."
"thats been done, heres a few. mistah schorpion jushht poken dingo. dingo shpoke sumthin. mistah schorpio jushht retracted? then didnt add anythin to the convo? when main votingsa happenin? mouse pokes iguana, fair enough early in the day, then reiterated theyd vote for iguana? makes no sense ta me. compels me though. then of course theres da dodgy posht i menshund earlia bout albatroaz. dees da peepal, when i look at them, i see a biiiiig O shape. coming ta voters on crocy - lion and flamingo seems hoppin ta me. maaaaybe vulshur too, but hafta see moh. so - schorpion, mouse, albatroaz, lion (u lyin hahahaha), and flamingo. focusin on voters on crocodile coz i think them be hoppin, flamingo be da mosht sushpishus. crocy fella, you might hafta green out those votesh from them kotes, seems like yar voting fo yarself. twice! and since yar on braize, thats twice of twice, ya dont even need ar votes to kill ya ha!"

"posht like this takes time. especshully for the final para where i had to go front and back through the thread to check who gave what reashuns ta vote. meanin i typed up the posht as and when i was analysin da thread. shure, it said "taupe gecko has replied show reply" when sumwon says somethin when yar typin somethin. but i never click on show reply becosh i did it once while writing a big posht, and the shard got hungry and ate it off. issa rule of da shard. the bigger the posht, the hungrier the shard. there ish a 11 min gap between geckos and my posht, but issa valid becosh i had to go run a chore in between as well."

"so i completely missed geckos vote. issa evident when i asked in da night cycle that there be another fella on braize who vote for kanga as in my mind it was a 2 vote difference." 

"and now im defo more sushpishus of gecko. not only vote removed from them. not only vote added to beagle. but both those plus the mershy's investing. all three together plus gecko forgettin that they were inveshted? too much coincidence. there be a propper effort to save them. issa good for fellas with kill items ta use on them." 

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Elephant gives me very different vibes, though a part of that may be the RP.

"rood, gettin judgmental are we? ya think i want to be miserable? ya think i dont want to get over this? that i want to be this way? ive got no choice! they say ya think ya can change when ya hit the rock bottom, i just ask God everyday, if this isnt rock bottom, then what in the storms is? im not stormin dalinar, even he could get over his alcoholishm, but i cannot. guessh ill just.. sit here and wait for the rock bottom."

[Elbereth she/her]

Also, if you want a question answer in any amount of reasonable time, please ask in GM PM. 9 docs plus uh.... several PMs plus the thread is too much for us to keep up on and do anything else. But we'll be checking GM PMs pretty regularly.

[Quartz Zebra]

I'm going to once again request that Prudence not create any of the requested PMs with me.