Valigus Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 Spoiler So I just got to the epigraph where sazed says he needs a sword one who can both protect and destroy. I haven’t finished the rest of the book so no spoilers if this becomes immediately relevant and I doubt it will. but with kaladin being made cosmere aware thanks to vasher he is being position as a worldhopper assuming he doesn’t die in book 5. I think we are very obviously supposed to think this is gonna be kaladin whcih make some speticsl but then it made me think, what if kaladin gets powers from every shard. kaladin has powers from honor The theory about him bonding yxili exists harmony if he discovers his existence may be interested idk I just kinda want to know if anyone else has other theories on this 1
DracostarA Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 Quote Who's Yxili? Yixli is the yellow Voidspren from Part 1 of Oathbringer with Kaladin's group of Parshmen. Quote idk I just kinda want to know if anyone else has other theories on this We know that Wax and Wayne is set between Stormlight 5 and 6, and given Harmony is already planning for this I am pretty sure it is the beginning of him grooming Wax into being his sword, which he does in BoM. 4
Valigus Posted November 18, 2020 Author Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, DracostarA said: Yixli is the yellow Voidspren from Part 1 of Oathbringer with Kaladin's group of Parshmen. We know that Wax and Wayne is set between Stormlight 5 and 6, and given Harmony is already planning for this I am pretty sure it is the beginning of him grooming Wax into being his sword, which he does in BoM. I suppose but It just seems like too many coincidences to be needing a sword that “can kill and protect” in a book where kaladin is struggling with that, kill to protect had been kaladins entire philosophy for most of the series and its in the same book as kaladin becoming cosmere aware it seems to much of a coincidence to overlook this fact noe if he had said a spear if you will I woudl say it’s pretty certain Edited November 18, 2020 by Valigus
DracostarA Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 I don't think it's remotely Kaladin, as Harmony explicitly told Wax that he needed him to be his agent since he couldn't do much himself, as per BoM, which matches the Epigraphs. I can't see why Kaladin would go to Scadrial and serve Harmony. 2
Shakakakakaka Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 Quote From Shadows of Self Spoiler “I’m not Harmony’s hands,” Wax whispered. “I’m His sword.” I feel like this has been weighed in on a bit already 7
Valigus Posted November 18, 2020 Author Posted November 18, 2020 45 minutes ago, Shakakakakaka said: I feel like this has been weighed in on a bit already Forgot that, so yeah it probably isn’t kaladin but swords can be replaced and it just seems to much of a coincidence to me and Brandon has set up stuff like this before so i still think it possible
Shakakakakaka Posted November 18, 2020 Posted November 18, 2020 33 minutes ago, Valigus said: Forgot that, so yeah it probably isn’t kaladin but swords can be replaced and it just seems to much of a coincidence to me and Brandon has set up stuff like this before so i still think it possible Yes, but remember this is Harmony saying he needs a sword right before (if my understanding of the timeline is correct) he starts making one in Wax
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Shakakakakaka said: Yes, but remember this is Harmony saying he needs a sword right before (if my understanding of the timeline is correct) he starts making one in Wax W&W take place in the timeskip between SA 5&6 (which means that if Kell appears in TLM Wax will definitely not be asking the correct questions). Since we’re near that point (say, six months?) and W&W has fairly decent time gaps between books, AoL probably takes place a maximum of our or five years into the gap. So Harmony has already sent, or is about to send, Palm to Wax. 2
mURTYbOLS Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 While most people think of swords as dangerous and deadly 1
Cosmerenomics Enthusiest. Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) I think Wax is the sword definitely he is supposed to be a lawman so a protector and a taker of life which fits into the line from Sazed Quote I have begun searching for a pathway out of this conundrum by seeking the ideal person to act on my behalf. Someone who embodies both Preservation and Ruin. A … sword, you might say, who can both protect and kill. He probably would like someone with a connection to him and to Scadrial he wouldn't pick someone from Roshar already touched by 2 other shards including 1 who he considers very dangerous. I feel like he would just want to be safe. Edited July 19, 2022 by LightweaverWannabe
mURTYbOLS Posted July 21, 2022 Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) On 7/18/2022 at 9:40 AM, mURTYbOLS said: While most people think of swords as dangerous and deadly Sword Encyclopedia states, they can also symbolize peace and harmony. In many cultures, the sword is seen as a symbol of justice and is often used in ceremonies and rituals promoting unity and cooperation. Kaladin, the main character of The Stormlight Archives series, is known as the "Sword of Harmony." He is a skilled warrior who fights for justice and equality. In addition to his sword-fighting skills, Kaladin can also use his abilities to help others achieve their goals. For example, he often uses his sword to protect those weaker than him or help them achieve their goals. As the Sword of Harmony, Kaladin represents the idea of using one's skills for the benefit of others. He is a powerful symbol of hope and unity, showing us that even the most seemingly dangerous weapons can be used for peace. In a world of struggles and chaos, Kaladin is the one who brings balance. He is the sword of harmony. Edited July 27, 2022 by mURTYbOLS
alder24 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 The problem with Kaladin as the Sword of Harmony is that Harmony needs someone to act on his behalf as he is useless even on the world he's most (and only as far as we know) invested in. Kaladin being that sword would be equally as useless as Harmony is right now as both of them cannot act on Scadrial where they're both most needed. Wax on the other hand is on Scadrial, is watched by Harmony and his Kandra from early on, performs multiple tasks on behalf of Harmony, talks with him on multiple ocasions, his story takes place after this letter is written, and he even said he's a Sword of Harmony. I don't know why there is such confusion about who is Sword of Harmony. Kaladin is Son of Honor not Sword of Harmony. 2
Casual Ati Enjoyer she/her Posted July 25, 2022 Posted July 25, 2022 I don't think Wax is Harmony's Sword. I think that was what he was intended to be, but with all the stuff with his wife, I can't see him agreeing to be Harmony's worldhopping secret agent. Plus, what part of Wax embodies Preservation? I can only think of him saving Wayne, which is small for the amount of balance it requires to be like Harmony. TenSoon agrees. He said that he is Harmony's Preservation, while Wax is his Ruin. Not saying I buy the "Kaladin as sword" thing, though it is interesting.
Use the Falchion Posted July 25, 2022 Posted July 25, 2022 22 hours ago, Casual Ati Enjoyer said: I don't think Wax is Harmony's Sword. I think that was what he was intended to be, but with all the stuff with his wife, I can't see him agreeing to be Harmony's worldhopping secret agent. Plus, what part of Wax embodies Preservation? I can only think of him saving Wayne, which is small for the amount of balance it requires to be like Harmony. TenSoon agrees. He said that he is Harmony's Preservation, while Wax is his Ruin. Not saying I buy the "Kaladin as sword" thing, though it is interesting. The blurb for TLM mentions Wax as Harmony's sword. As for the preservation part, I think it has to do with his lawman roots and sense of justice. Wax sees being a lawman as a way of preserving everyone's freedom, something he mentioned when talking to Steris on the train IIRC. That's the Preservation aspect, the peace aspect. Then there's the Ruin aspect in how he goes about it. He's the order that results in chaos. He's the chaos that brings order. He's both, and there's a harmony there, if you will. That being said, I'm not sure that Kaladin will be Harmony's Sword, nor do I think that Wax will go worldhopping. I think this as a whole is being a tad overthought, but overthinking things for theories is part of the fun! 1
stonehand Posted July 26, 2022 Posted July 26, 2022 Thematically and symbolically, everything about Kaladin is represented by a spear. He's always super duper hesitant about swords, even to the point of having Syl manifest as a spear more often than not. I think the epigraph where Harmony mentions a sword is supposed to function as a nod to/foreshadowing for the W&W series. 1
Bookmaster007 Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 With Wax calling himself Harmony's sword, I think it's much more likely to be Wax. We don't see the protection as explicit, but he's a lawman so it's pretty much always a consideration and he kill with how he goes about lawmaning 1
Firesong she/her Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 It was definitely just showing the source of Harmony beginning to fear the coming of Trell, and his attempts to find someone to help him fight, thus leading to him grooming Wax into being his Sword. This is further supported by Wax being referred to as Harmony's Sword multiple times. So yeah, it is very doubtful it is Kaladin, I feel nothing really supports it being Kal.
Leuthie Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 I hope Kaladin gets to rest after his Hero's Journey is over. If Brandon drags him into the greater Cosmere, I'll be disappointed.
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