Long Game 64: Choose Your Own Sanderson Adventure!

[Straw he/him]

Sorry for the double post, but I'd like to respond to this edit before I go to sleep.

1 hour ago, The_God_King said:

edit: how many times have I stated why I prefer jail over lynch? I feel I said it at least once on D1 and N1

Your main point so far against lynching is that it removes someone from the game, which isn't fun for them. Personally, I feel like when you sign up for a game, you're essentially agreeing to be lynched or lose. It's just something that's part of the game. At it's core, mafia is an information game, and jailing people gives far less information than lynching them.

I'd also like to share this quote from Elkanah:

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I'd also prefer to jail people than lynch them. I'll vote for Xinoehp Elandera for jumping on a bandwagon .

 

[The_God_King]

@Straw
... the reason I don’t throw anyone under is because I have no suspicions. Joe is throwing me under hard so I’m suspicious of him but as it was established earlier voting on someone for voting on you is an elim move. Here are my defense points-

Bandwagon were obviously against Sart when it turned against Elkanah. The same bandwagon seemed to swing pretty quickly. Not enough to condemn anyone specific but it should have raised suspicions 

The reason I defended Elkanah is because I had an enjoyable PM with him. Guess you can’t play an SE game without having all the joy sucked out. Too bad he was an elim if he wasn’t I would’ve enjoyed chatting, that would have been a fun distraction from this

Im confused on where my ad hominem is. I haven’t insulted his personality or tried to drag him under as a player. I pointed out that he was especially vicious against my contributions D1. (He went line by line and commented heavily on my contributions)  In regards to me pointing out ego he even said he was potential digging things up on me because my opinion on game play rubbed him wrong. Maybe not ego but definitely retaliation (which is fair but let’s say what it really is)

i guess  I’m contrary to the meta of the game. I will adjust and not post D1 anymore. It causes more trouble than it’s worth. I literally have to deal with something like this every game. 

Edited April 3, 2020 by The_God_King

[Elandera she/her]

Alright, let's get on with this. I'm not against a TGK lynch, but this also shouldn't be the end of discussion. We have an unaffiliated Smedry to be hunting (and a possible new convert).

Experience - Neutral with village lean. Has been involved and posting often. Their reasoning for voting Coda D1 didn't really resonate, though, since it was because Coda stated they were not in favor of revealing PM partners. That could be more differing opinion than actual suspicious behavior.

Straw - Neutral. I doubt he's a Knight, but could still be a Smedry. Has made some posts that help get discussion going, but from what I remember most of his offered opinions aren't really alignment indicative so far.

Kidpen - Neutral. This line from a D1 post of his sticks out to me as a possibly good idea that got lost in the shuffle.

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Last thing, maybe we should tell each of our starting pm people who the other is? I feel like that could provide useful information, although I may be forgetting something.

Doing this may help track actions without it being too common of knowledge. Still worth taking caution, as we can only trust PM partners as far as we can throw them, but something to consider at least.

A Joe in the Bush - Neutral with village lean. Not a Knight because of leading the lynch on Elkanah. However, that's a win-con of Smedry and Librarians, so it doesn't mean he's totally cleared.

Coda - Neutral. Most of their posts so far were in code with TGK. I'm tempted to lean slightly village because of wanting a lynch over jailed, but Smedry would also want as much information and as much death as possible.

Striker - Village lean. Posts seem honest.

Kynedath - @Kynedath, I haven't seen you around a lot. What do you think about Fifth being the kill target last night?

Elandera - I don't think I'm suspicious, but that might just be me.

Zillah - Village lean. Playstyle seems to follow the same they've had in other village!Zillah games.

xinoehp512 - Neutral. Has made good mechanics-based posts and has reasonable votes so far, but not entirely discounting the possibility they're Smedry.

Ironfire - Neutral. @Ironfire, do you think there was a second Knight and/or a conversion last night?

Sart - Neutral with village lean. Not likely a knight as they were the other main candidate for lynch against Elkanah. Still possibly a Smedry. The lynch train on them still fells off, which is why I lean village.

The God King - Likely Knight. Insistence that those who lynched Elkanah rather than jailed are suspicious is what's most odd to me. My only hesitation is how much he aligned with Elkanah after the lynch votes swung toward him. 

Shqueeves - @Shqueeves, are you aware of any actions that were taken last night (outside of the obvious kill or new PMs)?

Edited April 3, 2020 by Elandera

[The_God_King]

9 hours ago, Elandera said:

The God King - Likely Knight. Insistence that those who lynched Elkanah rather than jailed are suspicious is what's most odd to me. My only hesitation is how much he aligned with Elkanah after the lynch votes swung toward him. 

Sweet nothing I can do

TGK 

since there’s probably no way to convince anyone, enjoy this:

He stood in the middle of the room, the tourists hadn’t thought so kindly of his new jacket. Where was that annoying girl? Oh yea she was evil, who would’ve guessed. Talking to her apparently had been a bad idea. There seemed to be more and more guards in the room. They had been alerted to his activities and they knew he had been drawing on the walls.
 

Curse modern security cameras! It was so much easier to be an artist in Ancient Rome. At least you’d have a semblance of privacy. Not now, the eyes saw everything... Well time to make the best of this! Reaching into his pack he grabbed a pad of paper and started writing furiously. If only I had my lucky pens. They’d make this much easier. Oh well, he had his second most lucky batch of pens ready in a second. After writing furiously for a couple minutes he walked up to the most official looking person in the room. It was a lady probably in her 40s. She seemed to be important but who could tell anyway?

”sign this” he said,

”sign what?” She responded rather rudely. What manners they had nowadays. Some feudal wars would do these people some good for their manners. 

”this, you’re my witness”, he handed her the paper.

”this won’t make it official, I’m not a notary”

”I figured you weren’t but I’m a sucker for paper trails!” He got the signature and walked into the middle of the room. It’ll be fun when they find out the truth.

Behold the Last Will and Testament of the Man with No Name (or too many names, who knew?)!

To Shard, my fine worn hat. May it serve you well. I imagine we’ll meet up after all this is done. I’ve heard India is nice this time of year.

To Straw, a batch of the finest berries I could find in Yellowstone National park. They only make you feel like your insides want to become your outside. I imagine my death won’t do you any favors, 

To Arthur Smedry, my left hiking boot. Sadly it’s behind a security door (luckily the key is in my right boot)

To Porona Candemic, my grandma’s ring finger. May it bring you better luck then me (or dear Nana). You had good reasons to kill me.

To Coda, a book of secret codes. You I suspect the most. Trying to clear yourself with Sanskrit was a much too clever move. I hope the others realize.

To Striker, my lucky pocket sand. May it work to blind your enemies

To Bartholomew Prescot, my signed George Washington playing card. Try to get @Calvin Coolidgeto sign it too

To Rainier, my magic water canteen. It always seems to make the water green. You’ve been oddly quiet haven’t you?

To Zillah, my right boot, it’s actually behind a couch but i can’t remember which one

To xino, my immortal pet rat. If you can find him.

To Liability, a signed copy of volume 1-99 of my autobiography. Ignore volumes 41-48 the fall of Rome was a dark time

To Sart, the air from my lungs. It might take a while for it to get to you but it will!

To Shqueeves, several documents concerning an “Area 51” found in a back room of the White House. 

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changed reason to reasons. No I’m not admitting guilt. I would fight to the bitter end if I was an elim. I’d probably enjoy every second 

Edited April 3, 2020 by The_God_King
The last will and testament

[Kidpen he/him]

1 hour ago, The_God_King said:

To Porona Candemic, my grandma’s ring finger. May it bring you better luck then me (or dear Nana). You had good reason to kill me.

????

Am I misunderstanding this somehow? It looks like an implied elim claim. I suppose it could just be saying that Joe's reasoning is valid but wrong, but that seems unlikely given the response you've had to Joe thus far.

[The_God_King]

8 hours ago, Kidpen said:

????

Am I misunderstanding this somehow? It looks like an implied elim claim. I suppose it could just be saying that Joe's reasoning is valid but wrong, but that seems unlikely given the response you've had to Joe thus far.

I’m saying his reasoning does have some base to it. He’s wrong but all I’ve done is cement my guilt in the eyes of everyone.
 

Mostly I’ve conceded the point because it seems that I have rubbed everyone wrong. I believe I’m being tunneled pretty hard. When I do die, take heed to my will. I may not be 100% right but it might prove some good insight 

edit: to avoid double post, also note I changed one word in the Will. It was a typo. Reason to reasons. 

Edited April 3, 2020 by The_God_King

[StrikerEZ he/him]

1 hour ago, The_God_King said:

I’m saying his reasoning does have some base to it. He’s wrong but all I’ve done is cement my guilt in the eyes of everyone 

I...you’re going about this very strangely. I want to believe you that you’re not elim, but you’re not really doing anything to help me believe that. My natural response to your posts since Joe’s big post laying out his reasoning for you being an elim has been to think that you’re an elim feeling frustrated that you got caught so early and easily. If that is the case, I can relate. It sucks to be caught, but that’s the nature of the game. Getting mad about it doesn’t help anyone.

The other way I could read all this is that you’re a villager feeling very frustrated that everything you do is being read as if you’re an elim. Which is also very reasonable. I’ve been there quite a bit.

Either way, this almost righteous anger you’ve got doesn’t help anyone’s opinion of you. In my experience, those who are elims tend to get angrier when they’re caught than villagers do about being tunneled on. The best thing that’s going to help you is if you take some time to just chill and come back with a good, reasonable explanation of why you’re not a Knight or the Smedry.

[The_God_King]

9 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Either way, this almost righteous anger you’ve got doesn’t help anyone’s opinion of you. In my experience, those who are elims tend to get angrier when they’re caught than villagers do about being tunneled on. The best thing that’s going to help you is if you take some time to just chill and come back with a good, reasonable explanation of why you’re not a Knight or the Smedry.

I won’t change anyone’s opinion. I think I’ve dug a little too deep for myself to get out of. Best reasoning from what I see, there are two reasons I’m being lynched. Also Please don’t tell me to chill. Notice time stamps. It’s been a night since I last posted something angry and I find it incredibly unhelpful and not a good method to calm someone down. Even a smiley face doesn’t lighten a slap to the face

1- I supported a jail instead of lynch. As outlined probably half a dozen times and across multiple D1s in the games I have played I don’t support a lynch day one. Apparently I’m wrong . This jail mechanism is a bit silly but I supported it and no one else does. The argument stems from a difference in Meta opinions which I don’t think validate me as an elim. It would be foolish to openly support jail as an elim because it would paint a target. I wasn’t thinking as an elim because I’m not so I didn’t realize this

2- I supported Elkanah, I supported him after he was basically lynched. A serious miscalculation for an elim. I didn’t jump on his bandwagon but I realize it probably would’ve saved me. I’ve stated why: my continued support until the end was meant to save someone who I enjoyed playing with

 

Edited April 3, 2020 by The_God_King

[Ironfire he/him]

 

 

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10 hours ago, Elandera said:

Ironfire - Neutral. @Ironfire, do you think there was a second Knight and/or a conversion last night?

Personally, I think that the knights would convert as early as possible to get closer to parity. Also, yes, I think there is a second knight, because a single knight and a single Smedry in 16 people is a little too unfair to the Free Kingdomers.

[Zillah she/her]

I’m not entirely sure what to say at this point, I do agree with the analysis of God King, however their frustration and the guilt trip mechanism is making it hard to knowingly vote on them. One thing I did have as a note is the difference in their playstyle D1 this game as well as the last game I played with them. (Elkanah’s QF) They were very quiet and careful D1, and that game they flipped Elim.

Edit: I did receive an anonymous message last night that indicates God King may have been lying about a PM with Elkanah. However unless two people could confirm that they have PM’s with God King from day one, I wouldn’t trust that message personally. 

Edit #2: This is likely all I’m going to be saying on God King, I’ll post my thoughts on the other players in a bit, I have to get some schooling stuff dealt with right now though. 

Edited April 3, 2020 by Zillah

[The_God_King]

13 minutes ago, Zillah said:

Edit: I did receive an anonymous message last night that indicates God King may have been lying about a PM with Elkanah. However unless two people could confirm that they have PM’s with God King from day one, I wouldn’t trust that message personally. 

Wow that’s a dangerous accusation. I don’t know if I would’ve claimed to have a PM with him and didn’t. I didn’t learn anything insightful from it. It was a bunch of RP. The anonymous nature of it makes it seem questionable. Also, if two people raise their voices about a PM with Elkanah I would be surprised. It’s a silly move by the elims. I resent the guilt trip allegations because I’ve made peace with dying. I can understand why you would see it that way though. The Will wasn’t meant to guilt trip it was meant to be analysis with a bit of RP. Also it was in case I became basically censured for the rest of the cycle and useful for the end of the cycle.  If that’s holding you back, do yourself a favor and vote for me. I’m not stopping you. I’ve even voted for myself! I’d rather die than be in jail without being trusted 

edit: I got ninja’d by the second edit

Edited April 3, 2020 by The_God_King

[Kynedath]

10 hours ago, Elandera said:

Kynedath - @Kynedath, I haven't seen you around a lot. What do you think about Fifth being the kill target last night?

Yeah, sorry about that, I can't find much to comment on that hasn't already been said by someone else. I'm not great with the early game in general I think. Fifth was a really good player, although some people seemed to trust them and some people didn't. My guess is that during the night people saw that others saw them as potentially being the second most suspected and aimed to take away our leads. I think this indicates an older more experienced player since new players feel that the most active and astute players are the biggest threats to them.

The fact That they were a transporter is a bit saddening, I would have loved to see that role be used throughout this game. I also think that it means that they weren't the one targeted which invalidates all my earlier analysis of them.

In regards to the god king scenario, I agree with the analysis put out by others, mainly Joe. The God King I'm sorry that you're so frustrated by all of this, it's an impossible situation you've found yourself in. Please understand that it isn't personal, at least not for me.

Folks, I think Elandera is correct in saying that we need to have leads after this cycle is over, so variety of talking points is encouraged. If there are any other suspicions going through your head please speak up. Unfortunately as I say that I have no solid suspicions of my own. What a hypocrite I am. I'll be back later on to look over the first cycle again and look for more suspicious behavior.

[The_God_King]

9 minutes ago, Kynedath said:

In regards to the god king scenario, I agree with the analysis put out by others, mainly Joe. The God King I'm sorry that you're so frustrated by all of this, it's an impossible situation you've found yourself in. Please understand that it isn't personal, at least not for me.

People please stop apologizing. It’s a game. I’m frustrated but I’ll survive and adjust. Here’s some transparency:

D1 PMs - Elkanah and Experience

D2 PMs - Xino requested one with me

edit: I’m also part of the gossiper mass pm though it’s died because me and Joe are in it 

Edited April 3, 2020 by The_God_King

[Elandera she/her]

42 minutes ago, Kynedath said:

Fifth was a really good player, although some people seemed to trust them and some people didn't. My guess is that during the night people saw that others saw them as potentially being the second most suspected and aimed to take away our leads. I think this indicates an older more experienced player since new players feel that the most active and astute players are the biggest threats to them.

Interesting. I've been discussing this in a PM and I think I disagree with you on the point of taking away leads. If I were a Smedry, I'd try to leave a Knight alive as long as possible to be a distraction. A conversion can be more threatening as it leaves a lot of doubt in previous reads. A less experienced player would be the likelier candidate in this case, as they'd be more likely threatened by Fifth's reputation as a player than consider the usefulness of a red herring. 

[Experience he/him]

I'm not sure what to think about this vote on TGK. Yes I can see why people might think that he's not a Librarian, but I'm leaning towards thinking that he is. I do have some suspicions of some other people, but I need a few more turns to figure out if I'm just reading things out of thin air.

[Straw he/him]

5 minutes ago, EXPERIENCE said:

I'm not sure what to think about this vote on TGK. Yes I can see why people might think that he's not a Librarian, but I'm leaning towards thinking that he is. I do have some suspicions of some other people, but I need a few more turns to figure out if I'm just reading things out of thin air.

To some degree I feel similarly, but I honestly can't see any other lynch targets. It'd help a lot if you could point out some of the suspicious things you've seen, thus allowing us to also discuss them as possible alternatives to the current lynch.

[Experience he/him]

Yes, I know. I am currently on mobile, but later when I have my computer I can go back and look over what has happened so far so I can have reasoning behind my suspicions.

[Elandera she/her]

2 hours ago, EXPERIENCE said:

Yes, I know. I am currently on mobile, but later when I have my computer I can go back and look over what has happened so far so I can have reasoning behind my suspicions.

Gut reads can be good as well, even without reasoning. More than once I've found my gut read on someone is more accurate, but I logic my way out of acting on it because there's nothing overtly suspicious to present as reasoning. It would give be others a place to look for analysis, even if you aren't available right away. 

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Rainier studied the group around her, adjusting her horn-rimmed glasses. Some were oblivious hushlanders. Some were librarians like her, though she did not know them personally. Others were Free Kingdomers surprisingly well hidden in the group.

At least the talkative child had been dealt with. What a strange choice to send as a representative of the Crystin. 

This would be a containment nightmare, though. Librarians in charge here were probably already scrambling for a reasonable excuse for what had been happening. Rainier was relieved it wouldn't be her own job this time. This was supposed to be a vacation, lacking in worries about the chaos brought by the Smedrys and Free Kingdomers. But of course she'd be so unlucky.

[Experience he/him]

Ya, that makes sense. I am most suspicious of Coda and StrikerEZ.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

I'm feeling much less certain about lynching The God King. Unfortunately, I don't have any other suspicions right now. I'll be rereading again to try to find someone else to look at.

[Straw he/him]

1 hour ago, EXPERIENCE said:

Ya, that makes sense. I am most suspicious of Coda and StrikerEZ.

I somewhat agree with your read on Coda, stuff like this just feels off to me:

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Okay, Striker. If you're really bothered by my codes with TGK, I'll add filler content to the top. Agree with everything, etc. Revealing PMs loses us nothing, as they were randomized and conversations can be lied about. Hiding PMs also loses us nothing.

However, I do like the fact that they supported a lynch, as seen here:

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Do we want a lynch or an imprisonment? If we want an imprisonment, then leave the votes where they lie. If we want a lynch, RNG votes should be moved to Sart or myself. I will vote for Sart because I want a lynch.

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All reasoning is mostly guesswork on D1. Sart currently has the most votes, and I want a lynch so we can evaluate. A lock-up gets us nothing D1. Even if the Sart bandwagon is suspicious, we can't get enough people on anyone else but me at the moment, and I don't want to die.

I also originally felt like they were using codes too much, but even when you exclude all their code posts, they were still decently active, so that's another point in their favor.

[Sart he/him]

Vote Count:
The God King (5): A Joe in the Bush, Xinoehp, Straw, The God King, Kynedath

Well, discussion has certainly died out. This is a big problem. From what I can tell, most people are suspecting The God King of being a second Crystal Knight. However, that means we still have at least a Smedry to deal with, and the possibility of another Crystal Knight. And that's all assuming that we're actually right about The God King being a Crystal Knight. Statistically speaking, that's not a good bet to make. However, statistics can be misleading. After all, we had worse odds to lynch a Crystal Knight Day 1, and we managed to beat the odds. It's also important to note that we might be on a wild goose chase. If Elkanah was the only Crystal Knight, which is still a possibility, jumping at shadows that aren't there will be a problem.

So, in that light, I'm going to focus on looking for the Smedry. I think it's Experience, but that is purely gut read. I'm curious to know your thoughts on the matter.

[Experience he/him]

Ok, here are my thoughts on Coda and StrikerEZ.

Straw said most of the things that I was going to say about Coda, but another thing that makes me suspicious is one of his codes. The key was Librarian, and it said if you have decoded this message, then you have discovered my role. This just seems a little off to me.

Now for StrikerEZ

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As for the lynch, I think it might be best to not have one today. Partially because I think it would be really sucky if we managed to jail/lynch the only Knight on D1

This doesn't make any sense to me. Why would it suck to jail/Lynch a Knight? During day 1 they said things to placate others multiple times, I'm not sure what to read out of this. They also disagreed with the Elkanah Lynch, but this could not mean anything. I think that I am going to place my vote on StrikerEZ.

[Experience he/him]

Ok, here are my thoughts, @Sart. I am pretty sure that TGK is a librarian, and this is partely affected by out PM together. I think that there is a good chance that there was another Knight, and because a pillar wasn't set up last night there are probably two.(There might be another Knight making them start with three, but I'm leaning towards thinking that they started with two). Onto thoughts about the Smedry: I know that I am a librarian, and I'm honestly not sure who they are. I think that they might be a more experienced player because they wanted to eliminate a good player, but it could have been a less experienced player because they just saw them as a threat and wanted to eliminate them. 

 

[Elandera she/her]

3 hours ago, EXPERIENCE said:

This doesn't make any sense to me. Why would it suck to jail/Lynch a Knight? During day 1 they said things to placate others multiple times, I'm not sure what to read out of this. They also disagreed with the Elkanah Lynch, but this could not mean anything. I think that I am going to place my vote on StrikerEZ.

I think it was more of a statement in regards to the enjoyment of the game as a whole. Getting rid of an entire faction D1 is a bit bittersweet. Great that we caught a threat and are one step closer to our win-con, but a bit disappointing that an entire part of the game, especially one which causes so much intrigue as a conversion, is gone so early.