Frustration Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) Can a full Raidiant, 5th ideal truely be captured, say that their Oaths won't be broken by escaping would it be possible? Edit to everyone asking I saying is there a prison that a fifth Ideal Raidiant can't escape. Edited March 5, 2020 by Booknerd
Elsecaller_17.5 he/him Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, Booknerd said: Can a full Raidiant, 5th ideal truely be captured, say that their Oaths won't be broken by escaping would it be possible? I don't understand your question, can you elaborate?
RShara she/her Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 As long as you deprive them of Stormlight, they're powerless. 1
Karger he/him Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 49 minutes ago, Booknerd said: Can a full Raidiant, 5th ideal truely be captured, say that their Oaths won't be broken by escaping would it be possible? Are you asking if a radiant can get out of any prison? The answer to that seem like a no. Suspend them in a cage several hundred feet in the air without any stormlight. Make the box out of aluminum.
FantasyFanatic he/him Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Booknerd said: Can a full Raidiant, 5th ideal truely be captured, say that their Oaths won't be broken by escaping would it be possible? I don't quite understand your question. But do you want to know if a Radiant swears the 5th ideal can they break their oaths?
Frustration Posted March 5, 2020 Author Posted March 5, 2020 31 minutes ago, Karger said: Are you asking if a radiant can get out of any prison? The answer to that seem like a no. Suspend them in a cage several hundred feet in the air without any stormlight. Make the box out of aluminum. Shard plate can break that, and enable them to survive the fall. With blade and plate they can get out of all confines I can think of Stormlight only makes it easier to escape but I can't think of anything regardless.
FantasyFanatic he/him Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Booknerd said: Shard plate can break that, and enable them to survive the fall. With blade and plate they can get out of all confines I can think of Stormlight only makes it easier to escape but I can't think of anything regardless. You might be able to take away the Radiant's blade by somehow them from their spren. I don't know how/if you can do this but it's just a theory.
Frustration Posted March 5, 2020 Author Posted March 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, FantasyFanitic said: You might be able to take away the Radiant's blade by somehow them from their spren. I don't know how/if you can do this but it's just a theory. Then they wouldn't be Raidiant, and besides, the only way I know you could use at that point is to kill them.
FantasyFanatic he/him Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Booknerd said: Then they wouldn't be Raidiant, and besides, the only way I know you could use at that point is to kill them. Well say for instance you somehow separated their spren by capturing it on Shadesmar? And then separating the Radiant (kinda of what happened with Kal and Sly in WoR). Edited March 5, 2020 by FantasyFanitic
+Invocation Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 Suspend them in a large box of aluminum, with chains of aluminum Soulcast into the rock that anchor it being held above a void (potentially in the ruins of Rathalas) with less than a fridge's worth a space on the inside for them to move around in, while on the Cognitive side you do something similar to their spren except by dropping them into the beads with a manacle or concrete on their feet so they can't get back up. The spren won't die, so they're still Radiant, but there wouldn't be enough room to summon their Blade, not to mention the distance making that difficult, and not even enough space for their Plate to make a major difference, should they actually be able to don it at all. 2
Karger he/him Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Booknerd said: Shard plate can break that, and enable them to survive the fall Shardplate could break that but it would not allow them to survive the fall. Dalinar explains to Adolin that antishardbearer systems include making them fall and crack their plate. High enough and it shatters and kills the radiant. Heck Aluminum shackles might prevent proper plate manifestation and then normal prison+aluminum walls would work.
+Oltux72 he/him Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Karger said: Shardplate could break that but it would not allow them to survive the fall. Dalinar explains to Adolin that antishardbearer systems include making them fall and crack their plate. High enough and it shatters and kills the radiant. Heck Aluminum shackles might prevent proper plate manifestation and then normal prison+aluminum walls would work. Gibbeting with an extremely tight cage. You have to put the aluminium so close to his skin that summoning any plate is prevented. The odds of long term survival are low.
Frustration Posted March 5, 2020 Author Posted March 5, 2020 10 hours ago, Karger said: Shardplate could break that but it would not allow them to survive the fall. Dalinar explains to Adolin that antishardbearer systems include making them fall and crack their plate. High enough and it shatters and kills the radiant. Heck Aluminum shackles might prevent proper plate manifestation and then normal prison+aluminum walls would work. Dalinar survives a fall of hundreds of feet with dead plate. 11 hours ago, Invocation said: Suspend them in a large box of aluminum, with chains of aluminum Soulcast into the rock that anchor it being held above a void (potentially in the ruins of Rathalas) with less than a fridge's worth a space on the inside for them to move around in, while on the Cognitive side you do something similar to their spren except by dropping them into the beads with a manacle or concrete on their feet so they can't get back up. The spren won't die, so they're still Radiant, but there wouldn't be enough room to summon their Blade, not to mention the distance making that difficult, and not even enough space for their Plate to make a major difference, should they actually be able to don it at all. getting the spren separate from the Raidiant would be a lot easier if you know, they could be touched.
Karger he/him Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Booknerd said: Dalinar survives a fall of hundreds of feet with dead plate. In stages. He crashes through several levels in doing so and his plate is almost gone by the time he gets there. Just a little farther and he would be dead.
Frustration Posted March 5, 2020 Author Posted March 5, 2020 Just now, Karger said: In stages. He crashes through several levels in doing so and his plate is almost gone by the time he gets there. Just a little farther and he would be dead. Were talking Live plate here in the visions Radiants landed at speed without a second thought.
Karger he/him Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Booknerd said: Were talking Live plate here in the visions Radiants landed at speed without a second thought. So? It still has limits. Enough damage and it will break just like anything else. We don't know the limits of live plate. Also I think the radiant themselves took the damage and then summoned plate and they likely were falling from a specific height they new would not strain things.
Lucky MOPper Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 The question is basically can we capture their spren. I don't think we know enough about the Cognitive realm yet to know yet though. 11 hours ago, Invocation said: on the Cognitive side you do something similar to their spren except by dropping them into the beads with a manacle or concrete on their feet so they can't get back up. Couldn't they still transition to the physical realm? 1 minute ago, Karger said: So? It still has limits. Yes, but how much? it would not be feasible to hold them hundreds of feet in the air.
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 Cast them inside of an Aluminum sphere with a large enough radius to contain them.
Frustration Posted March 5, 2020 Author Posted March 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, SwordNimiForPresident said: Cast them inside of an Aluminum sphere with a large enough radius to contain them. then they can't breath.
Karger he/him Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, Lucky MOPper said: Yes, but how much? it would not be feasible to hold them hundreds of feet in the air. They have a tower that is over a half mile tall.
Lucky MOPper Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Karger said: They have a tower that is over a half mile tall. But they could just walk down the tower.
Karger he/him Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Lucky MOPper said: But they could just walk down the tower. It has a shear side. A Windrunner mentions that they enjoy falling down it in the gemstone archive.
Lucky MOPper Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 Just now, Karger said: It has a shear side. Climb down the tower? Unless you're envisioning holding them with a rod connected to a cage, in which case they can climb on the rod. They can make handholds with their shardblade as they go.
+Invocation Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 32 minutes ago, Lucky MOPper said: Couldn't they still transition to the physical realm? Doubt it. With an anchoring block that had a significant enough aluminum content to have them trapped (which wouldn't be too hard, I'd think). 43 minutes ago, Booknerd said: getting the spren separate from the Raidiant would be a lot easier if you know, they could be touched. That is why I specified on the Cognitive side of things. Lure the Radiant and spren over temporarily, bag the spren (aluminum again), shove the Radiant back through the perpendicularity. Of course you could just keep the Radiant on that side as well and imprison them there, since there's not really a difference in that regard to Physical vs Cognitive.
Lucky MOPper Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 Just now, Invocation said: With an anchoring block that had a significant enough aluminum content to have them trapped (which wouldn't be too hard, I'd think). Would that trap them though? We still don't know how spren transition between realms.
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