luluzulu Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 We know it's hard for uses of investiture to have any effect on heavily invested objects or people - knowing this, I'm wondering if a mistborn burning atium would be able to predict the movements of a completely stormlight-full surgebinder. I don't really have any more to this, just a thought that came up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 I'd think so if a mistborn burning metals can be impacted why not a surgebinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faceless Mist-Wraith Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 With respect to the "it's hard to affect heavily invested objects point", Atium doesn't really "affect" the things around it, so I don't think that rule would apply. As far as I know, the only thing Atium can't see is aluminum. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 Atium is affecting the person burning it, not the thing it's predicting, so there should be no problems with seeing the atium shadow of a Shardblade or Shardplate or a Surgebinder. A person burning metals or also burning atium is pretty invested too, and they have no problem with those shadows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRioter Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 yeah atium acts on the person burning it, by allowing them to see bits of the Spiritual Realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 Yeah, unless you're trying to fight Renarin and he just happens to have one of his visions pop up during the fight (in which case, your respective uses of Fortune start to interfere with each other) there's no reaosn that A-Atium won't work to predict what a Surgebinder is going to do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goody153 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 We haven't seen how Fortune vs Atium works but normally Atium should work on literally anything that moves unless that person can view the future or has the same stuff as atium as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace21 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, goody153 said: We haven't seen how Fortune vs Atium works but normally Atium should work on literally anything that moves unless that person can view the future or has the same stuff as atium as well. Considering WoB says that Atium is a Fortune affect, then Fortune vs Atium should work the same as Atium vs Atium. They will interfere with one another. But without access to fortune a mistborn with atium will still see your shadow's, regardless of where you're from. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 9 hours ago, Jace21 said: Considering WoB says that Atium is a Fortune affect, then Fortune vs Atium should work the same as Atium vs Atium. They will interfere with one another. But without access to fortune a mistborn with atium will still see your shadow's, regardless of where you're from. Only if the Fortune effect and/or Surgebinder where also able to perceive the future during the interaction, that's where the interference comes from. It may or may not apply to Fortune via Feruchemy (depending on how that literately manifests). It's supposed to be specifically not part of the traditional Radiant capabilities. So far we only know of one such surgebinder, and I fully believe that is precisely why there is a large swath of Odium's expanded Diagram that it blacked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormblessedSurvivor Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 Do we know how far into the future Renarin sees? Cause Atium sees very close into the future, but Renarin can see many weeks fowards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Quantus said: So far we only know of one such surgebinder, and I fully believe that is precisely why there is a large swath of Odium's expanded Diagram that it blacked out. Brandon has indeed confirmed this. Quote The Young Pyromancer [PENDING REVIEW] Is the reason Renarin's name is greyed out due to a conflict of Fortune with Odium, similar to [an electrum] user fighting an atium...? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes. Skyward Seattle signing (Nov. 10, 2018) And a longer explanation here Quote Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] So the scene at the end of Oathbringer, when Odium is confronting Taravangian and he uses futuresight to expand upon the Diagram, we have this blacked out section with Renarin's name linked to it. Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes. Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Is that because Renarin's abilities interfere with Odium's futuresight similar to how electrum interferes with atium? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Any time that someone else is seeing the future in the cosmere, it's going to have ripples against your ability. Like they are-- you can't-- It's the same sort of thing that if... someone who has access to atium is going to mess up anyone else's futuresight in any way, because once you use that it's going to cause you to act differently, which then-- And remember futuresight is not very good in the cosmere anyway. But yeah, it's just gonna mess things up. Skyward Seattle signing (Nov. 10, 2018) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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