The Chat Thread

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16 minutes ago, MacThorstenson said:

Specialties: Lerasium

Heck of a specialty right there

[MacThorstenson he/him]

9 minutes ago, kenod said:

What type of shipping? (Both?)

Thats a fair point. I think the original department was logistics, but there would certainly be room for another department with the same name for relationships.

[18th Shard he/him]

Xanas is head of the Department of Testing and Analysis. 

[Fatebreaker he/him]

2 hours ago, Voidus said:

I feel like the Stranger was wise enough to excise them from existence in the Forgery. Some hatreds are too powerful to be overcome even with reality-bending magic that reshapes the entire world.

Canon

[mathiau he/him]

4 hours ago, ZincAboutIt said:

Fwiw we don’t usually do too much Sanderson plot canon here. I haven’t actually read any of the Skyward books but bringing canon book characters or key plot elements into the AV is generally not done because it starts to get thorny with the established book canon. Just a heads up for any of your plans! :]

The Tanix aren't really main characters, they're animal with cytonic powers people bound with (in the sense someone can bound with their dog, not in the sense someone bound a spren).

1 hour ago, Rushu42 said:

Can Aln hear Kerr's talking? I couldn't remember, so I left it out of my response, but if yes I'll edit it in.

She should be able to see his words

It may not have been clear, but when Kerr is speaking in italic he's speaking to Folorian's mind while when he speaks "between quotation marks" he's speaking normally

2 hours ago, Voidus said:

DA civil war? Well that sounds...
Reality ending.

Could be reality starting too, knowing R&D

Edited March 19, 2022 by mathiau

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

5 hours ago, kenod said:

True and true, I guess. And to be fair, alleymatics wasn't supposed to be DA-exclusive either, wasn't it? IIRC it was originally that if someone invented a new concept that got included in the alleyverse, their chars could control it. It just ended up morphing into a magic system revolving around manipulating the alleys.

Hmm, doesn't that mean alleytravel is just the most basic subset of alleymatics?

No, the space marines did

 

5 hours ago, Arlin said:

Hahahahaha...  Been there done that. You know how everyone freaks out when they get their memories back? Yeah...  Check out the Seven Day War if you want more detail on how that goes.

 

5 hours ago, Arlin said:

@Thaidakar the Ghostblood I think you you might be getting a picture about just how ireprocable the DA is from the above conversation.

 

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Voidus said:

This is more or less already the case. The DA largely don't actually care or interfere much with the wider city unless it's affecting them in the Alleys. Mostly because the RP becomes very boring if there are a bunch of demigods just wandering around handwaving the problems away. Though by necessity of the RP we do tend to mostly see the few members of the DA who actually do wander about the wider city from time to time.

No someone else nuked the city because the DA was defending itself and murdering pretty much everyone in the process. And no, not really. In part because there's just absolutely no way to seal the Alleys against the DA, but also because there are several demigod level department heads who would get personally annoyed at that and just use less standard Alleytravel to arrive in the city.

I think that was discussed yeah though we never really went anywhere with it that much. And yeah, Alleytravel is just the most basic application of Alleymatics.

 

5 hours ago, MacThorstenson said:

If I recall correctly the city was nuked because when everyone invaded and pissed off the DA they realized that was the best way to stop the fighting. The DA didn't nuke it, the invaders did it to stop the retaliation.

 

4 hours ago, ZincAboutIt said:

I’d be all for a new magic system if we wanted to make one up, that sounds fun! As for trying to take down the DA, it’s not really a wise plot course mostly because it’s been done before, and also because the power imbalance is pretty enormous and therefore not really fun. The best bet for an actual compelling “guild war” plot, if we wanted to do one, would be for the DA to effectively go into a schism and turn on itself, with each side garnering allies from the other guilds. 
Depending on how this Era ends and what goes on between the resident demigods, that could actually be possible.

thanks for the info guys! making a new magic system sounds good. would it be pizza based?

[18th Shard he/him]

3 hours ago, Rushu42 said:

Ooh, expanding the magic system like this would be really cool. I wonder if we could establish some sort of meta-investiture powers - as in, powers based solely off of the detection/manipulation of other forms of investiture. Kind of like A-Bronze or Aluminum already impact things, but expanded, perhaps?

I like this idea. Snapping into powers similar to A-Bronze, Aluminum, A-Nicrosil, Raysium, etc. could also help negate some of the more OP characters' standing out so much. 

[Ashbringer he/him]

Is there an anti-void? From what I gather Voidmaking is very similar to A-Chromium, could an Anti-Voidmaking be similar to A-Nicrosil drawing Investiture from somewhere?

[MacThorstenson he/him]

22 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Is there an anti-void? From what I gather Voidmaking is very similar to A-Chromium, could an Anti-Voidmaking be similar to A-Nicrosil drawing Investiture from somewhere?

There really isn't an anti-void. Perhaps if sudiov got back in the business it could happen? But it wouldn't be that applicable as there have only been 3 characters with voidmaking, and that was the weakest abilities they had.

[Ashbringer he/him]

I'm not really sure what Voidmaking is besides A-Chromium, so I'm not entirely sure... I just know it's worth a lot more points. But if the Forgery breakdown starts proliferating powers, I could see Voidmaking being one of those.

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

what if we had a magic system based on pizza? like with the different toppings would give different magic powers. i

[Voidus]

33 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Is there an anti-void? From what I gather Voidmaking is very similar to A-Chromium, could an Anti-Voidmaking be similar to A-Nicrosil drawing Investiture from somewhere?

Kinda all Investiture, energy and matter is anti-void.

[mathiau he/him]

12 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Is there an anti-void? From what I gather Voidmaking is very similar to A-Chromium, could an Anti-Voidmaking be similar to A-Nicrosil drawing Investiture from somewhere?

Since Voidmaking require you to hate the thing you destroy, maybe we could do magic that require other feelings? Envy based power copying and trust based empowering for example?

3 minutes ago, MacThorstenson said:

There really isn't an anti-void. Perhaps if sudiov got back in the business it could happen? But it wouldn't be that applicable as there have only been 3 characters with voidmaking, and that was the weakest abilities they had.

Even if you only count the duplicate once, I'm counting counting five

Three of them have duplicates

[MacThorstenson he/him]

6 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

I'm not really sure what Voidmaking is besides A-Chromium, so I'm not entirely sure... I just know it's worth a lot more points. But if the Forgery breakdown starts proliferating powers, I could see Voidmaking being one of those.

Voidmaking has a specific way it happens, but Its not my system to spoil, so i'm not sure how much I want to say.

3 minutes ago, mathiau said:

Since Voidmaking require you to hate the thing you destroy, maybe we could do magic that require other feelings? Envy based power copying and trust based empowering for example?

Again its not my magic system, so I don't want to spoil too much, but any feeling works for voidmaking, you just need to be able to channel it in a large amount.

Who has voidmaking? I'm counting Voidus, the Stranger, and Mac?

EDIT, I forgot about Sanax and Xanas

Edited March 19, 2022 by MacThorstenson

[mathiau he/him]

1 minute ago, MacThorstenson said:

Voidmaking has a specific way it happens, but Its not my system to spoil, so i'm not sure how much I want to say.

Again its not my magic system, so I don't want to spoil too much, but any feeling works for voidmaking, you just need to be able to channel it in a large amount.

Who has voidmaking? I'm counting Voidus, the Stranger, and Mac?

Xanas and Deteca

[Voidus]

1 minute ago, MacThorstenson said:

Voidmaking has a specific way it happens, but Its not my system to spoil, so i'm not sure how much I want to say.

Again its not my magic system, so I don't want to spoil too much, but any feeling works for voidmaking, you just need to be able to channel it in a large amount.

Who has voidmaking? I'm counting Voidus, the Stranger, and Mac?

Detteca and Sanax as well I believe.
Plus technically the earlier Voidus.

[Ashbringer he/him]

1 minute ago, MacThorstenson said:

Who has voidmaking? I'm counting Voidus, the Stranger, and Mac?

I think Sanax and Deteca are technically Voidmakers, but not to the same scale.

... is it Sanax or Xanas, or just both?

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7 minutes ago, mathiau said:

Envy based power copying

*Lita ascends to the Shard of Greed* 

[mathiau he/him]

9 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

I think Sanax and Deteca are technically Voidmakers, but not to the same scale.

Well, only Deteca's and Sanax's can be put on scale in the fist place

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... is it Sanax or Xanas, or just both?

In the forged world, only Sanax. Xanas is just a 4th Oath Elsecaller here.

In the original world only Xanas exists and he's basically a saner version of Sanax

6 minutes ago, ZincAboutIt said:

*Lita ascends to the Shard of Greed* 

Envy, not Greed

Edited March 19, 2022 by mathiau

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Just now, mathiau said:

Envy, not Greed

She can make it work  

[MacThorstenson he/him]

This is where Mac learned to Voidmake for those that are interested. 

I'm not sure that there needs to be a whole new magic system, maybe 2-3 abilities result. Mainly because a whole system can be a pain to mess around with and balance. 

I also like the idea of it being a reflexive response to the forgery, as that would be something that everyone in the alleyverse would be able to have, just like how scadrians are allomancers and nalthians are awakeners.

Finally, it shouldn't be too powerful. I think the idea was that voidmaking was not the most powerful system you could make. It was a counter to a lot of things, but offensively most magic systems are better then it. I think that the new powers should also be kinda mid.

[18th Shard he/him]

I like the idea of meta-investiture as Rushu mentioned above because on its own it isn't too powerful. We already have Seekers and Leechers and Aluminum Gnats. But making it more common for normal people, NPCs and PCs, means that having Investiture is no longer as universally powerful. Maybe we term it as a Resonance that occurred between the Innate Investiture of the people in the Alleyverse and the Forgery. 

Edit: They're powers that don't lend themselves to conquering but to resisting conquering. 

Edited March 19, 2022 by 18th Shard

[MacThorstenson he/him]

I also like the idea of meta investiture. Whats something new that we could do with it? One thing I thought of was maybe being able to see investiture in use, and temporarily absorbing it/negating it. 

Like a forgery could be temporarily stopped, but it would resume when concentration was broken. A surge would be temporarily negated, or a awakened object stopped.

[18th Shard he/him]

I thought Raysium's ability would be cool - siphoning active Investiture out of someone into something else. 

[Ashbringer he/him]

6 minutes ago, 18th Shard said:

I like the idea of meta-investiture as Rushu mentioned above because on its own it isn't too powerful. We already have Seekers and Leechers and Aluminum Gnats. But making it more common for normal people, NPCs and PCs, means that having Investiture is no longer as universally powerful. Maybe we term it as a Resonance that occurred between the Innate Investiture of the people in the Alleyverse and the Forgery. 

Edit: They're powers that don't lend themselves to conquering but to resisting conquering. 

"I like this one."

 

I do wonder how many forms of meta-Investitures is too much (Leeching, Nicrobursting, Aluminum-canceling, Seeking, Smoking, and that's just if we don't add anything new). Also some form of making Allomancy at least different, if not superior. Like Mac's temporary Leeching/suppressing idea, that's cool.