Long Game 4: Colours of War

[nard1993]

Looking back, Grim chooses to vote for the same person as Jeo not once but twice in day 3. Considering this seemed to me a lot like the PK trying to keep the Hallendrens and the Idrians from working together, I find it highly suspicious that Grim kept falling right into his hands. I would definitely like to hear more about this so my vote is for Grim

[Wyrmhero he/him]

"As you can see here, there are quite a few ties between Wyrm and the Pahn Kahl, Jeo, that was luckily killed last night."

 

At this, Wyrm couldn't help but raise an eyebrow, before delving into a debate. "What ties would these be then, Cog? I voted for Thomas on the first day, and Jeo voted for Ben. Jeo didn't vote on the second day. The only possible tie I can find would be that we voted for the same person on day 3. All I can say for that is to repeat my previous statement, that I voted for Chide, and then Jeo voted the same way some time later. I can hardly help it if my attempt to gather information was hijacked, can I?"

 

"Indeed, the fact that we voted the same way once hardly makes me guilty by association - Others have done exactly the same; Rowan, Elo, Summon, Peng and Grim have all done the same. Even Aili has voted the same way as Jeo, and even after that she voted for two innocents. But we know she is innocent of any wrongdoing. If anything, I would say that Rowan and Rick are more suspicious, as they have not only voted twice for innocents, but Rowan voted with Jeo first day, and Rick didn't vote at all on the first day."

 

I said that I won't change my vote from Thomas until I saw a good argument or he gave more information, and I'm sticking by it. My mentioning of Rowan and Rick is just to get more of a debate going, rather than actual accusations. Having said that though, they may turn into accusations later if Thomas explains himself.

[Tulir he/him]

I am going to vote Sifa, as her profile shows she has been on recently but her last post was during the second cycle.  I am completely willing to change if Sifa shows up.

[GreyPilgrim he/him]

I am going to vote Sifa, as her profile shows she has been on recently but her last post was during the second cycle.  I am completely willing to change if Sifa shows up.

 

Actually, Sphinx has posted multiple times in this very thread, so if that is your only reason to vote for Sifa, then you should probably retract your vote.

[Sphinx]

It's cool to go after inactive people (or people you think are inactive? I probably should have picked a name closer to my username), but, uh, we do actually have some other discussion going on right now (or we did on the first couple of pages before things got a bit derailed) so waltzing in and just asserting voting for inactives instead of participating in the discussion is a bit odd. Looking back over the votes, I have to say that both Peng and Tril are creeping up my suspect list for reasons similar to what both Ben and Summon have expressed. I definitely would like to see a response from Rick as well. Vote's staying on Elo for now, and I'll post something more rply when I'm not snatching a few minutes from packing.

 

Rick: Summon, Dirt,

Grim: Sart, Nard

Thomas: Wyrm

Elo: Sifa

Chide: Peng

Cog: Gammer

Tril: Ben

Wyrm: Cog

Sifa: Tril

[GreyPilgrim he/him]

Grim's mind was swimming with all that hat occurred. Several people dead, the cook Aili actually a Returned, Jeo a Pahn Kahl... It was almost too much to deal with. And now votes had been cast upon him. He had done the best he could to defend himself. He hoped he did not become a casualty to this violent conflict.

But this was all less frightening to him than what had just come to him. He had found in his pocket a note, telling him only a time and a place.

Those who had been trying to kill him wanted to meet.

As Grim made his way to the meeting place, he devised in his mind a plan.

He took a detour on his way, looking for one person in particular.

Finding him in a street, Grim grabbed Aodan's arm and, before the other scholar/monk could breathe a word, he dragged him into an alleyway and let out the words: "My life to yours. My Breath become yours."

Grim gasped, the life being sucked out of him and into the other man. It was the first time he had ever been Drab. In what he deemed his final hours, he had no better choice. What little Breath he had needed to go to the cause. Whether he lived to see the end or not, the Pahn Kahl could not win. Grim owed this to Paxen. Peace had been all the man had wanted. And now he was dead, almost certainly at the hands of the Pahn Kahl.

Before Aodan could say anything to him, Grim made his way out of the alley, leaving the other man slumped on the dirty ground. As he turned, Grim heard but a single word.

"Why?"

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Half a bell later, Grim found himself facing two men.

He stood with his back against the back wall of an alley, his face and body dripping with blood. He had made his way to the determined meeting place and quickly been attacked by five men and one woman, one of the men the one he had left alive what seemed years ago.

Using his knives, he had been able to take out three of the men and the woman. He had no doubt he could have gotten them all if he hadn't given up his Breath, but the lack of them made life seem less...vibrant. His reflexes were less than they had been in years.

One of the remaining two had stabbed Grim in the arm, the other punched him in his face, knocking out several teeth. Grim had managed to run for a few blocks, but had found himself stuck as he was now.

One man launched himself at him, but Grim was able to fight him off, slitting open the man's throat. He kicked the man in the gut.

One more to go... he thought, weakly. He had lost a lot of blood. He had but a few minutes left.

The last man cackled. "Finally, Gigimin, we have you." With that, he jumped.

Grim felt a shock. That name... He hadn't heard it in years.

The man punched Grim. Grim's head hit the wall with a jerk, and he fell down.

Just as this happened, another person jumped down from the roof and attacked Grim's assailant. Within seconds, the man from the roof had killed the other.

But Grim could hold on no longer. He heard the man--no, it was a woman-- from the roof trying to talk to him, but he could not make the words out.

He was drifting, consciousness fading rapidly. A few thoughts remained, however.

Gigimin. Those who had been trying to kill him knew of his past self. Oh, how long it has been since last I heard that name...

As the woman tried to remove him from his stupor, Grim caught movement out of the corner of his eye. His vision was fuzzy, but... Was that a rabbit?

I'm so sorry, Paxen. His last thought.

Consciousness ended.

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Grim's body went limp in her arms. No, no! she thought, angry. Vivenna didn't know why Vasher had wanted her to protect this man, but it had seemed pretty important to the grumpy old man. Important enough to send her away from the conflict in Huth and Kuth.

She checked the body. Wait... That was a pulse! The man was alive.

Quickly, Vivenna bound the man's wound with his shirt. That should stop the blood flow. There was little she could do about the bang to his head, however.

Her thoughts turned to her sister. Sorry, Siri. It seems things are getting pretty bad here. But I have other issues to return to. The Pahn Kahl, returned. This was no good. However, Vasher had instructed to return to him as soon as her job was complete.

Vivenna covered Grim up and dragged him out of the alley, leaving him in the street. There was nothing more she could do for him.

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Well, everyone, that's it. I'm off. To make it clear, Grim is not dead, but comatose. I have left it so you can discover him. Do of me what you will. You can still kill me if you wish to. If you decide not to, then Grim will wake up and assume his position upon my return.

And I did give my Breath to Aodan, just to make it clear. I hope no one else intended to introduce Vivenna during the game. If so, sorry. You can ignore it being her that saved Grim if you wish to.

With that, goodbye, all! If you kill me off, that's ok. It's been fun. I may check in every now and then just to see. (I won't be able to go a whole week without finding out what happened to Grim.)

Edited April 18, 2014 by GreyPilgrim

[Mailliw73 he/him]

I am voting for Wyrm. These are my reasons why:

(Sorry, the quotes aren't working right.)

He accuses Aonar, a monk, and Swimmingly, a dead person.

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I believe that currently, Cog, Swimmingly, Bart and Aonar are the most suspicious. However, I have no extra information to give on this matter, and only their forum posts to go on.

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When I voted for Chide, I certainly wasn't expecting other people to vote as well for him. I was just hoping to make someone active again -

He votes for people for silly reasons.

Here he argues against breath giving to Aonar, actively hindering our metagame in favor of fun roleplay.

Joe right below agrees, and did so within a short space of time, suggesting collusion.

http://www.17thshard...-23#entry124966

Oddly protective of Joe, suggesting that someone leading a charge at him is not calm.

http://www.17thshard...-23#entry125062

Joe praises the wisdom of Wyrm.

http://www.17thshard...-25#entry125248

[PorridgeBrick he/him]

It's cool to go after inactive people (or people you think are inactive? I probably should have picked a name closer to my username), but, uh, we do actually have some other discussion going on right now (or we did on the first couple of pages before things got a bit derailed) so waltzing in and just asserting voting for inactives instead of participating in the discussion is a bit odd. Looking back over the votes, I have to say that both Peng and Tril are creeping up my suspect list for reasons similar to what both Ben and Summon have expressed. I definitely would like to see a response from Rick as well. Vote's staying on Elo for now, and I'll post something more rply when I'm not snatching a few minutes from packing.

 

Rick: Summon, Dirt,

Grim: Sart, Nard

Thomas: Wyrm

Elo: Sifa

Chide: Peng

Cog: Gammer

Tril: Ben

Wyrm: Cog

Sifa: Tril

 

Wait, two people voted for me without me noticing!? That's, uh, rather worrying. Time for explanation then.

I'm also voting for Jeo. I'm positive Chid is a genuine inactive, and don't feel like wasting the lynch while Pahn Kahl narrow our numbers every night.

So here I vote for Jeo. Note that at this point, the vote is tied between him and Chide (I think: correct me if I messed up here). With ~10/11 hours left in the day, this vote at this point could have very well been the one to kill Jeo. This changed, obviously, but the potential was still there. I voted for Jeo for a few reasons. For one, I though that both Meta and Wilson had put up decent arguments against him. I also disliked how obviously he was targeting Hallendrens and trying to turn us against each other. And I, as I said here, did not want to waste the lynch on Chide. Some conversations with Aonar had convinced me that Chide had gone fully inactive, as opposed to pretending to be such. Such an action seemed very unlike what a PK would do, so it seemed like a waste to spend our kill on him while the PK slowly killed us all.

I too have been requested that. However, as the requester is the accused himself.... I'll still change my vote, though, as I'll trust that Aodan's superior info gives him good reason for his vote. Jeo, and Dyrri.

@aspren

Chide is probably a genuine inactive instead of a Kahl pretending to be one. If he is, then I doubt he's a Kahl, since I think a Pahn Kahl would keep more interest in the game. And even if he's an inactive Kahl, he's useless to them, so there's not much reason to bother with him.

 Here I change my vote. I had been requested by Jeo to change it, as 'important people' or something required it. I was naturally suspicious of this, as I even noted here. The only important person I knew of was Aonar, and he hadn't said anything to me. But, just in case, I changed my vote anyway. If what Jeo said was actually true, we would be in trouble, and I knew that if he was lying we'd all figure it out soon and lynch him the next day. In hindsight, this was a dumb move, but it seemed okay at the time.

Well, here's my reasoning. Not sure if it helps anything, but I'll lay it out here anyways.

[Tulir he/him]

Sorry, I must not be paying very much attention.  I hereby retract my vote for Sifa.

Edited April 18, 2014 by Tulir

[bartbug he/him]

@Mailliw: Thank you for noticing that. When I first lay out my plan and it got shot down mainly for not being fun, it kind of bothered me. Me thinks I'm going to follow suit by voting for Wyrm.

 

(Of course, if you have a better option, I have an idea: Whoever gives Aonar the most Breath in this day cycle, I will give my vote to that person. And you have to give it up, not just offer).

Edited April 20, 2014 by bartbug

[GreyPilgrim he/him]

I realized I didn't make this clear before: I had two Breaths when I transferred them to Aodan.

I gave them to him because I figured it was better to give them to someone than leave them in me when I might die over the next week.

Edited April 18, 2014 by GreyPilgrim

[Claincy he/him]

Those new rules do look awesome and I look forward to the end game. As a slight modification, it might get a bit hectic if people chose to burn all ten of their votes on something. People could wait till the end then blow all of their votes on their own proposals, pass some crazy things.

 

 

How about a rule that you can only make so many votes per proposal as you have awakening levels+awakened objects+special abilities to a minimum of one? That would ensure most people wouldn't wildly swing the vote totals and make it more manageable.

 

 

Also it would help if you had a rule that you would analyze any proposals and break them down into manageable chunks, so no one can make a proposal which covers everything they want and get a small group to vote for it. For example you might have a category lifeless, in which you would put all proposals with regards to the lifeless, an economics category, a military category. Otherwise I could see people making proposals like "Lifeless will be all be dyed purple, all money will be spent on making plush ponies, and all armies will be sent to murder everyone who is PK." that were somewhat wide.

I'm not entirely against craziness That said, proposals should only really I have 1 main point and I'll tell people if their proposal needs a little adjustment. I don't really want to limit the number of votes someone can throw at a proposal, definitelynot by breath/roles as that is a little too much in Hallendren's ffavor.

I do have net access on my phone, so I'm able to make relatively short posts now and then No color though

[Awesomeness Summoned he/him]

That said, proposals should only really have 1 main point.

No earmarks? How am I supposed to get that unnecessary bridge built in my hometown then?

[Herowannabe he/him]

@Mailliw: that is probably the most thorough, well reasoned accusation I have ever seen in these games. Upvote for you. And since Aodan has vouched for your innocence:

Rowan didn't spend much time around people, so as such he had never really seen a Returned before. While Ailli- Trueheart?- certainly had a most impressive stature and figure, it was the clarity of her logic that drew Rowan in. He sat on the outskirts of the group, listening to her reasonings for quite some time. By the end, he was convinced. Pulling the visor of his hat down lower on his head, he set out to search for Wyrm.

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Well reasoned, Aili. I don't know how to rehash this so they're multiple quotes, so I'll just bold my replies below. Hopefully this will at least convince some of you of my innocence.

 

I am voting for Wyrm. These are my reasons why:
(Sorry, the quotes aren't working right.)
He accuses Aonar, a monk, and Swimmingly, a dead person.

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I believe that currently, Cog, Swimmingly, Bart and Aonar are the most suspicious. However, I have no extra information to give on this matter, and only their forum posts to go on.
 

I believe it is less suspicious to accuse someone who turned out to be dead than it is to actually vote for them, isn't it? Because that would put you - a declared innocent - as right up on my own suspicion list otherwise. I said Swimm was suspicious - As did lots of others. I was hardly the first to wonder about him. I never voted to lynch him myself. Also, I'm not sure when you're refering to with Aonar, but I believe if it's when I'm thinking of, I wasn't sure about whether it was a protected job or not. Aonar can however vouch with him about how open I have been with my thoughts and actions with him as soon as his innocence was confirmed.

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When I voted for Chide, I certainly wasn't expecting other people to vote as well for him. I was just hoping to make someone active again -

He votes for people for silly reasons.

 

I've voted for one person for a silly reason, as you put it. I voted for Chide for one reason, to get debate going. Is that particularly surprising that I tried that when we had Thomas hiding in the shadows, not replying to my accusations, but still being active? It's hard to tell sometimes if people have actually disappeared or not. Considering Thomas was still active, I thought there was a decent chance that Chide could be the same.

Here he argues against breath giving to Aonar, actively hindering our metagame in favor of fun roleplay.

 

Seems I should've kept my honest thoughts to myself then. However, you're missing a lot of what I've said there as well. I said 'don't force anyone', and 'only up until 10th Heightening'. I actually agreed with it, up to a point! With regards to only up to tenth, I was being cautious, not hindering it. I've also explained myself to Aonar here as well, and he understood my reasoning.

Joe right below agrees, and did so within a short space of time, suggesting collusion.

http://www.17thshard...-23#entry124966

 

This is just explained by us being online at the same time. I know it looks bad, but I can't exactly tell you why he agreed with me if we didn't collude, can I? Unfortunately this is evidence I can't defend against, other than saying 'coincidence happens.'

Oddly protective of Joe, suggesting that someone leading a charge at him is not calm.

http://www.17thshard...-23#entry125062

 

Is not calm? Not sure what you mean there, but I was simply commenting on things. I mentioned the fact that I thought Jeo was suspicious in that same reply as well. I was just not sold on Cog's innocence at the time, and therefore was not sure of who was more suspicious.

Joe praises the wisdom of Wyrm.

http://www.17thshard...-25#entry125248

 

Again, here is stuff I can't defend against, other than saying 'he's either agreeing with me because he agrees, because I've accidentally said a point the Pahn Kahl agree with, or because he's trying to posthumously off me'. That's all I can say on the matter.

 

Points I will put forward for my defence:

• I have never changed my vote to defend someone, other than as a panic reaction against Chide in case other people joined in later on and I wasn't able to change my vote. Again, Thomas was on my mild suspicion list, so I hoped to get information from him in response. That did not happen, unfortunately, but still.
• I haven't voted for anyone who has been killed. The closest I've come was on the first day, and I voted against Jeo, the only known Pahn Kahl agent. If I was Pahn Kahl, would I not have tried to avoid a tie at all costs?
• I've never bandwagoned on someone else's vote. I've always been the first person to vote on anyone, and people have either changed their vote to mine to protect someone, or joined my vote without adding their own reasoning.
• I've contacted four people over the course of the game (aside from Claincy). In two occassions, yourself Aili and Cog, I've never asked for information, though I accept in your case that my follow-up question could be seen as fishing. I didn't expect to get a reply from you at all, in fact. All I can say is that it was mostly accidental, and caused because you yourself volunteered information, whether it was a lie or not. I simply wanted to confirm whether or not it was a spy, so we could be certain. With Cog, I simply made a suggestion. Again, never expected a reply from him. Other than that though, the following few PMs with him were just about something not game related.
• The other two people I've contacted are Summon and Aonar, and I've had long conversations with them both. With Summon, it was discussing you, actually, before we found out your innocence. We were just discussing the likelihood of your guilt as well, and then trying to piece together what had happened after we found out you were innocent.
• I have been in contact with Aonar since he revealed himself as a Monk. I've not only told him my role, but also what night actions I've taken, my suspicions, and other information and thoughts I've had as well. He can confirm this, as well as the sheer amount of information I have given him. I have also never asked him about other players' roles, though I have also asked him whether it was a spy who said your innocence, due to the fact that Lifeless Commands aren't entirely proof of a safe role.
• And finally, I find it interesting that I am accused because Jeo agreed with me on a few points, whereas you yourself were so convinced of his innocence that you got people to change their vote and hanged an innocent instead. This shows that just because Jeo agreed with me doesn't mean that I am guilty. Other people were far more convinced of his innocence, after all. And I was never truly convinced.

Edited April 19, 2014 by Wyrmhero

[Nepene he/him]

Wyrm, could you provide a full accounting of your night actions to in public or to Aili, perhaps in PM? That would help.

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Wyrm, could you provide a full accounting of your night actions to in public or to Aili, perhaps in PM? That would help.

 

I've already done so to Aonar, but I'm happy to do so here if it will help my case. It's actually rather easy, since my actions each night have been the same - I have entered the Breath Lottery each night, and was successful on the first and third nights only.

Edited April 19, 2014 by Wyrmhero

[Nepene he/him]

I've already done so to Aonar, but I'm happy to do so here if it will help my case. It's actually rather easy, since my actions each night have been the same - I have entered the Breath Lottery each night, and was successful on the first and third nights only.

 

And your breaths are all still there, and not locked up in a PK sword? 

 

Ok. How does this plan sound. We scan you tonight for your awakening level. Aonar has contacts. If you prove off, are a drab, we lynch you tomorrow. How does that sound? For now people can cancel votes.

[Wyrmhero he/him]

And your breaths are all still there, and not locked up in a PK sword? 

 

Ok. How does this plan sound. We scan you tonight for your awakening level. Aonar has contacts. If you prove off, are a drab, we lynch you tomorrow. How does that sound? For now people can cancel votes.

 

While I'd be happy to be scanned to see my awakening level, as a plan it's not perfect. My Heightening doesn't prove anything, really. I mean, just because I'm Second Heightening doesn't mean that I'm not Pahn Kahl - Just that I have two additional Breaths, and that they are not locked up in an Awakened Sword. It's helpful to know that, but it's not enough.

 

It's much, much better for a Spy to check me out rather than a strawman. That proves my alignment without a shadow of a doubt. Best to be 100% sure about this if you're going to do it, yes? So if you want to do this - and I'd obviously be more than happy about it, since it kind of saves my life and proves me to be innocent - ensure you do it properly

Edited April 19, 2014 by Wyrmhero

[the Gleeman he/him]

Sorry Wyrm but I've been told to be more active in local government and you seem the most suspicious currently

 

Seriously though, was that a Death Note reference earlier Joe?

[bartbug he/him]

Hey, Wyrm, seeing as you are probably about to die, give your Breath to Aonar.

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Hey, Wyrm, seeing as you are probably about to die, give your Breath to Aonar.

 

Hey, we have another two days of voting left you know. I can still turn this around and survive! Besides, I can give away my Breath during the actual lynching itself, though I may be inclined to let you crash and burn at that point... (Not really - Aonar, at least, has my goodwill, so I would give my two Breaths to him).

 

Speaking of which, we do have another two days left. When today started, I mentioned that the good thing about having a 96-hour day was that we had longer to discuss. As such, should we not be examining other people as much as me? At the very least, I'd hate to be condemned to death after half the allotted time just because no-one else has been so carefully scrutinised. Particularly when this is a good opportunity to see how people have voted.

 

Thomas has now replied. I probably should've expected Thomas to vote for me when he finally made a vote, considering how much I've been pestering him over it. So I'm not surprised, but I am disappointed that he hasn't actually added to the discussion, but has just said 'yeah, you're most suspicious'. Still, I said I'd move my vote, and as such, I shall.

 

Let's assume that the Pahn Kahl would vote, if at all, for someone who isn't one of them on the first day. Now, if we include today's current votes, only two people have voted for innocents each of the previous three times - Aili and Rowan. Now, we know the former is safe, so that just leaves Rowan. So, Rowan, care to explain why you have voted for innocents every day? And, since we seem to be basically running on guilt-by-association (not in itself a flawed method, but not a perfect science, particularly since it is impossible to explain coincidence), why did Jeo vote the same way as you on the first day?

 

Other than Rowan though, Rick and Trill are the other two who have voted for innocents these last two days. Neither of them voted on the first day though, so we have slightly less information to go on. Summon and Bart have also given away their Breaths on the third day in public instead of at night, which is a curious thing to do. I would like to know why you did that instead of voting, and why you didn't do it at night? Summon I am less suspicious of though, so I'll concentrate on Bart.

 

Were you desperate to prove your innocence after being suspected? You've also voted for an innocent before as well. I note that giving your Breath away on that day in particular (day 3) allowed you to avoid voting for Jeo. And you're jumping the gun with getting me to give away my Breath there too. Trying to cement the lynch of an innocent before it can be turned around?

 

So far, the votes are like this:

 

Wyrm - Aili, Rowan, Bart, Cog

Grim - Sart, Dainard

Rick - Jim Bob Dirt, Wes

Tril - Ben

Cog - Gammer

Chide - Peng

Bart - Wyrm

Elo - Sifa

 

 

Breath - Grim

 

Hooray, I'm winning.

 

Edit: Missed a vote or two.

 

Edit 2: I'm bad at this tallying thing...

 

Edit 3: Make that terrible.

Edited April 19, 2014 by Wyrmhero

[Aonar he/him]

This is interesting. Unless Wyrm is the Sword-bearer, I doubt that he is Pahn Kahl (nothing is certain however). The fact that Grim had two free Breaths to give away suggests the he won't be Pahn Kahl either. I know what Rick has done with his Breath, and it wasn't put towards "Cuddles." Chide, annoying as it may be, is a true inactive regular, no more, no less. Barty and Meta have both given away their Breath to me, once again, something that is logistically unfavourable to the Pahn Kahl, given that they have already created a Sword. 

 

So... have fun with that.

 

Oh, and Wyrm, your List should have Wes voting for Rick. The Vard vote was to show how votes were supposed to be retracted. 

Edited April 19, 2014 by AonarFaileas

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Oh, and Wyrm, your List should have Wes voting for Rick. The Vard vote was to show how votes were supposed to be retracted. 

 

Bah, I just looked for colours...

Edited April 19, 2014 by Wyrmhero

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Sorry Wyrm but I've been told to be more active in local government and you seem the most suspicious currently

 

Seriously though, was that a Death Note reference earlier Joe?

Was what a Death Note Refrence? I made a Refrence to Meta's Member Title when I became a Bunny if that's what your Speaking of.