Calderis he/him Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 @cantabile21 it's amazing how many people don't catch those moments. Have an upvote. 1
cantabile21 Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Calderis said: Have an upvote. Thanks Calderis!!
+robardin he/him Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/20/2018 at 10:31 PM, cantabile21 said: Adolin acts positive all the time too and that is also a front. As the favoured son of the Blackthorn and the heir of the Kholin princedom, he has always been expected to act strong, be just and moral, and to be a leader. For the most part most of this comes naturally to him, but there is also this undercurrent of Adolin feeling inadequate and unworthy and in the shadow of his father whom he could never hope to match. His self esteem has always been rooted in his identity and his skill with the sword, but now that the world has completely shifted, the things about himself that he took pride in just don't seem to matter anymore... and therefore Adolin himself doesn't matter anymore. He doesn't say so in so many words, but it's there, in his introspective moments that don't last long because he then consciously chooses not to dwell on it, and instead gets up and tries to makes himself useful in what small ways he can, even though everyone around him is wielding Stormlight and changing the world. He does say it, in so many words, to Shallan and to himself, that he's not used to feeling insignificant, which increasingly he does around Kaladin, Shallan, Jasnah, and Renarin (especially after seeing what those four were capable of doing with the Nigh Infinite Stormlight on tap at Thaylen Fields). He's also lost Sureblood, his Ryshadium steed, who form a bond with their rider somewhat akin to a sprenbond, so he had a "dangling bond plug" in his soul, you might say. I think that's a factor in what seems to be him reviving a bond with Mayalaran, in addition to having been one of the relatively few Shardbearers who talked to their Blades, maybe the only one who respected the idea that the Blade had a name of his/her own that was unnknown to him (and forebore from bestowing one of his own choosing or using a previous designation), and maybe just as importantly, he has "met" Maya in the Cognitive Realm due to Sja-Anat's twisting of the Kholinar Oathgate. (Her leaping to his defense to attack a Fused in Shadesmar was... Astounding.) 1
animalia Posted July 23, 2018 Author Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) On 7/20/2018 at 9:31 PM, cantabile21 said: Adolin acts positive all the time too and that is also a front. As the favoured son of the Blackthorn and the heir of the Kholin princedom, he has always been expected to act strong, be just and moral, and to be a leader. For the most part most of this comes naturally to him, but there is also this undercurrent of Adolin feeling inadequate and unworthy and in the shadow of his father whom he could never hope to match. His self esteem has always been rooted in his identity and his skill with the sword, but now that the world has completely shifted, the things about himself that he took pride in just don't seem to matter anymore... and therefore Adolin himself doesn't matter anymore. He doesn't say so in so many words, but it's there, in his introspective moments that don't last long because he then consciously chooses not to dwell on it, and instead gets up and tries to makes himself useful in what small ways he can, even though everyone around him is wielding Stormlight and changing the world. "He gets knocked down, but he gets up again" Sorry I couldn't resist. In any case it's true. Also do you mind If I share this stuff on the Oathbringer re-read where appropriate. Edited July 23, 2018 by animalia To avoid a double post
cantabile21 Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 4 hours ago, animalia said: Also do you mind If I share this stuff on the Oathbringer re-read where appropriate. Erm... this is where i reveal my noobness... but what's that? cue nervous laughter
StrikerEZ he/him Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 3 hours ago, cantabile21 said: Erm... this is where i reveal my noobness... but what's that? cue nervous laughter It's this thing Tor, the publishing company for Brandon's fantasy books, does. It's a weekly blog by a few fans of Brandon where the go through a couple chapters each post and analyze the chapter.
RShara she/her Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 For your reading enjoyment, fresh from the Idaho Falls signing! Quote Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Adolin and his sword that appears to *inaudible* wake up a little bit. Most of the Knights Radiant have some sort of break in their minds *inaudible* problem. Where Adolin appears to be the person in Stormlight that's most comfortable with himself. Is that going to cause a problem, or is maybe the fact that he, at least in his mind, murdered Sadeas, going to help bring that to fruition or give us a way to *inaudible* something like that? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Let's first off, say I'm not going to repeat this one because it's super spoilery. So let's try to talk around the spoilers. In the Stormlight Archive, there is a tradition among the Knights Radiant that certain traumas and/or psychological handicaps are effective in drawing the attention of a spren. I haven't actually said if that is true or if that's [just] a tradition of theirs. But there is a tradition among the Knights Radiant. that they have noticed something consistent. Does that mean that you have to in order to be a Knight Radiant? Well, there is somebody that I would call extremely psychologically well-adjusted, that by the end of the third book is well on the way to Knighthood. There is something going on there, they are noticing something true. But it might not be as exclusionary as they think it is. source 6
Calderis he/him Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, RShara said: For your reading enjoyment, fresh from the Idaho Falls signing! What's this? You mean to tell me that Maya is healing because of a developing Nahel bond? Whoever would have guessed such a thing... 3
RShara she/her Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 Just now, Calderis said: What's this? You mean to tell me that Maya is healing because of a developing Nahel bond? Whoever would have guessed such a thing... Yeah, not smug AT ALL! 2
Calderis he/him Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 Just now, RShara said: Yeah, not smug AT ALL! I would try to defend myself, but I can't see through this obscuring cloud of smug. 3
CrazyRioter she/her Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 I am SO pleased with this WoB. Finally we can kill the arguments over whether Adolin is broken enough or not. 2
RShara she/her Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, CrazyRioter said: I am SO pleased with this WoB. Finally we can kill the arguments over whether Adolin is broken enough or not. And also, I feel it makes it pretty clear that Adolin *is* going to revive Maya. 1
CrazyRioter she/her Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 I'm a little more hesitant about that, because we all know Brandon likes his sneaky wording, but there is definitely an implication in that direction here, which I am also pleased with.
Greywatch she/her Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, RShara said: Does that mean that you have to in order to be a Knight Radiant? Well, there is somebody that I would call extremely psychologically well-adjusted, that by the end of the third book is well on the way to Knighthood. *praise hands* Thank you, Brandon... Out there being a real bro... Pour one out for 'you need to be totally broken to be a Knight Radiant' theory, it's been fun.
RShara she/her Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 He's speaking a little vaguely to avoid spoiling OB, since this was the general Q&A. But the questioner specifically asked about Adolin and Maya, so it's pretty obvious that's who Brandon is referring to 2
Greywatch she/her Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, RShara said: He's speaking a little vaguely to avoid spoiling OB, since this was the general Q&A. But the questioner specifically asked about Adolin and Maya, so it's pretty obvious that's who Brandon is referring to R'shara, have I ever told you how much I appreciate you?? I appreciate you. 1
RShara she/her Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Greywatch said: R'shara, have I ever told you how much I appreciate you?? I appreciate you. Awwwww <3 3
CrazyRioter she/her Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 I haven't listened to the audio, so I'll have to take your word on this, it's harder to tell these things from text. But it's very exciting. I want the best for Adolin and Maya, because Adolin is a Good Boy who deserves good things, and also there are huge plot ramifications to a dead spren being revived. 1
StrikerEZ he/him Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 2 hours ago, CrazyRioter said: I am SO pleased with this WoB. Finally we can kill the arguments over whether Adolin is broken enough or not. You have no IDEA how happy that WoB makes me. I know it isn't a full confirmation of Adolin becoming a Radiant, but I'm about 80% sure that's what he was implying there. Oh, the brokenness thing is pretty good, too. 1
goody153 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) I'm gonna be the bummer and ask. Just for clarification that i understood the WoB well. Did Sanderson mean Adolin on the " I would call extremely psychologically well-adjusted, that by the end of the third book is well on the way to Knighthood" or did that mean just mean Lopen ? I mean Lopen didn't have a traumatic past and is quite well-adjusted. Kaladin considered himself a Knight Radiant at his 3rd words(by literally shouting "THE KNIGHTS RADIANT HAVE RETURNED") but not before that(tho that could just mean Kaladin stopped hiding his nature rather than officially a radiant). And in Jasnah's words(none-verbatim) "you can be a surgebinder but that doesn't mean you are a Knight Radiant" or something like that to Shallan at some point. So could it mean Lopen instead ? It kinda fits Lopen as well. He's a windrunner but i wouldn't be surprised somebody who's knowledgeable about KR's wouldn't call him Knight Radiant yet just surgebinder or squire Edited July 24, 2018 by goody153 2
RShara she/her Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, goody153 said: I'm gonna be the bummer and ask. Just for clarification that i understood the WoB well. Did Sanderson mean Adolin on the " I would call extremely psychologically well-adjusted, that by the end of the third book is well on the way to Knighthood" or did that mean just mean Lopen ? I mean Lopen didn't have a traumatic past and is quite well-adjusted. Kaladin considered himself a Knight Radiant at his 3rd words(by literally shouting "THE KNIGHTS RADIANT HAVE RETURNED") but not before that(tho that could just mean Kaladin stopped hiding his nature rather than officially a radiant). And in Jasnah's words(none-verbatim) "you can be a surgebinder but that doesn't mean you are a Knight Radiant" or something like that to Shallan at some point. So could it mean Lopen instead ? It kinda fits Lopen as well. He's a windrunner but i wouldn't be surprised somebody who's knowledgeable about KR's wouldn't call him Knight Radiant yet. So you're the 4th or 5th person I've seen ask this question and it kind of puzzles me. Maybe you can clear this up? Because the Questioner specifically is asking about Adolin and his sword in his question, and Brandon says flat out that for spoiler reasons, he's going to talk around the specifics. So the Questioner asks about Adolin and Maya. Brandon avoiding specifics says "A certain well adjusted person". I really thought that was obvious. In addition, by the end of Oathbringer, Lopen is a Second Oath Windrunner. He really can't be called "well on the way to Knighthood." He already is a Knight. Quote Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Adolin and his sword that appears to *inaudible* wake up a little bit. Most of the Knights Radiant have some sort of break in their minds *inaudible* problem. Where Adolin appears to be the person in Stormlight that's most comfortable with himself. Is that going to cause a problem, or is maybe the fact that he, at least in his mind, murdered Sadeas, going to help bring that to fruition or give us a way to *inaudible* something like that? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Let's first off, say I'm not going to repeat this one because it's super spoilery. So let's try to talk around the spoilers. In the Stormlight Archive, there is a tradition among the Knights Radiant that certain traumas and/or psychological handicaps are effective in drawing the attention of a spren. I haven't actually said if that is true or if that's [just] a tradition of theirs. But there is a tradition among the Knights Radiant. that they have noticed something consistent. Does that mean that you have to in order to be a Knight Radiant? Well, there is somebody that I would call extremely psychologically well-adjusted, that by the end of the third book is well on the way to Knighthood. There is something going on there, they are noticing something true. But it might not be as exclusionary as they think it is. source Edited July 24, 2018 by RShara
CrazyRioter she/her Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 Lopen isn't a squire now as he's got his own spren. Also the question was about Adolin specifically, so the implication is it is about Adolin.
RShara she/her Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 Just now, CrazyRioter said: Lopen isn't a squire now as he's got his own spren. Also the question was about Adolin specifically, so the implication is it is about Adolin. I mean, it would be really really really weird if Brandon is talking about Lopen when the question was about Adolin and his sword.
CrazyRioter she/her Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 Anyway you can't argue that nothing is going on between Adolin and Maya, the question is how much is going on between them and I think the WoB is a big implication that a LOT is going on between them.
cantabile21 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 22 hours ago, robardin said: He does say it, in so many words, to Shallan and to himself, that he's not used to feeling insignificant, which increasingly he does around Kaladin, Shallan, Jasnah, and Renarin (especially after seeing what those four were capable of doing with the Nigh Infinite Stormlight on tap at Thaylen Fields). Yeah he does... thanks for pointing that out. Though i think the rather casual way he mentioned it is his way of acknowledging to his wife-to-be that he feels overwhelmed and unworthy of her, but does not begin to reveal the depth of his feelings on the matter. But because Adolin is Adolin, i would actually feel strange to see him get all emo and launch into an extended aria about his feelings, if you know what i mean. Heh. And i agree with you about how torn up he is about losing Sureblood, feelings that are again shown to us through his actions and words rather stated in the narrative. i really felt for him in that scene with Gallant, and even more so when Renarin shows up and he goes into his encourager mode for his brother. RShara, you have just made my day!!! Thanks so much for sharing! Though i do have a somewhat crazy theory regarding Adolin and Maya's revival. You know how the dead Radiant spren are supposed to have had their souls or essence ripped out as the original Radiant broke the bond? i'm thinking that when Adolin gets into yet another fight that he simply cannot win and gets all cut up to the point of death, he chooses, he chooses, to sacrifice himself to heal Maya, to let her take his life essence and become whole again, to bond with someone else more worthy - in his eyes - and continue fighting for the good of the world. And because he would then naturally use Maya herself to do the deed, his life force does go into her and restores her completely. And Maya's first act as a fully restored, sentient Radiant spren is to revive her human partner, the man who gave him his life so she could live again. 19 hours ago, animalia said: Also do you mind If I share this stuff on the Oathbringer re-read where appropriate. Okay, not too sure how this works, but yeah, you may go ahead.
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