[OB] The Everstormfather?

[Yezrien]

This possibility has come up before, but I want to address it more directly. I think the Everstorm is more than just an invested cloud, or an angry perpendicularity. I think there has to be some kind of spren inside it, holding it together, perhaps controlling it. In other words, the Everstorm has its own version of the Stormfather: the Everstormfather. And I think this Everstormspren plays a much more vital role in the Everstorm than the Stormfather does in the Highstorm.

The evidence of this is highly sarcastic, but (I hope) compelling nonetheless.

It has been the case, time after time, that when a magical mystery appears on Roshar, the solution is always the same: it's a spren. Where do the Knights Radiant get their powers? Bonding a spren. What are shardblades? The spren. Shardplate? Probably spren. Fabrials? Spren. Parshendi forms? Bonding spren. Giant crustaceans? Antigravity spren. Weird goings-on in Kholinar? Prophetic death rattles? The Thrill? Just some giant, sinister spren.

What exactly is the Everstorm, and how can it be stopped? I'm going to take a shot in the dark and guess that the answer will have something to do with... a spren! Probably a big, evil Odiumspren. Probably an Unmade.

We're told that the Everstorm is definitely something new, but old in design. It was conceived a long time ago, perhaps during a previous Desolation, but not implemented until the present day. But why? The Everstorm, by constantly reviving the Fused, makes the Desolation permanent. It seems like a huge advantage, which they should have deployed the moment they came up with it. As far as we know, all it requires is some singers in Stormform, which were probably abundant in the Desolations of old. So why didn't they do it?

Occam's Razor would probably point to either Honor or the Oathpact. One of those two things somehow prevented the Everstorm from forming, or threatened to swiftly dissolve it. The simple answer is that the Everstorm is only possible now that Honor is dead, or now that the Oathpact is weakened.

But I'm going to propose another factor. Maybe creating the Everstorm requires something we can't see. Maybe it requires that something be sacrificed. Odium wasn't willing to make this sacrifice back in the olden days, but desperate times call for desperate measures. He has finally chosen to sacrifice one of the Unmade.

My theory is that one of the Unmade had to sacrifice its freedom and its identity, and be transformed into the Everstorm. It is one of the Unmade that are presently not accounted for: Chemoarish and Dai-Gonarthis. One of those two lives inside the Everstorm, holding it together. And Dalinar, or another Bondsmith, will eventually destroy the Everstorm by trapping this Unmade in a gem.

It could also be Moelach. As far as I know, there have been no Death Rattles since the formation of the Everstorm. If this is true (someone please tell me if it's not), it's the only real evidence behind this theory.

In the ancient Desolations, Odium chose not to make this sacrifice because it wasn't worth his while. If Honor could simply destroy the Everstorm, or if the old Oathpact prevented it, then it wasn't worth the sacrifice of an Unmade. Or perhaps he was satisfied with Desolations as a cycle, and saw no need to make a permanent one. The evidence in Oathbringer does suggest that things were going well for him. Maybe he thought he was just a few Desolations away from total victory, so he saw no need to speed things up at the expense of one of his most powerful servants.

This was all changed by the Melishi Incident. The lobotomy and enslavement of the Parsh deprived Odium of his armies, and the Everstorm was the only way to get them back. No servant, even an Unmade, is as valuable as an entire race. That's why they dug up the "old design." The real purpose of the Everstorm was to restore the Singers. Continually resurrecting the Fused was just a convenient side effect.

Thoughts?

[Naurock]

Woah, I really like this theory. It's a good dig, but how do we explain that when Venli saw the storm roll up she saw two spren? Shouldn't there have been a third then? I always assumed it was Odium personally directing the storm as he saw fit.

[The One Who Connects he/him]

3 hours ago, Belzedar said:

As far as I know, there have been no Death Rattles since the formation of the Everstorm. If this is true (someone please tell me if it's not)

The Silent Gatherers have traced Moelach to the Horneater Peaks as of some point in OB. Unless he's in two places at once, or they have magical tracking methods now, this should mean there are more Death Rattles, and Moelach is not in the Everstorm.

Doesn't prevent it from being one of the other 2 though.

3 hours ago, Belzedar said:

That's why they dug up the "old design." The real purpose of the Everstorm was to restore the Singers. Continually resurrecting the Fused was just a convenient side effect.

I like this. After restoring them, Odium could point to the KR as the ones who lobotomized, and humanity as the ones who enslaved, in order to help him breed hatred. Even Ruin was able to create if it helped him to destroy, so this should be viable within his Intent.

[Yezrien]

21 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said:

The Silent Gatherers have traced Moelach to the Horneater Peaks as of some point in OB. Unless he's in two places at once, or they have magical tracking methods now, this should mean there are more Death Rattles, and Moelach is not in the Everstorm.

Thank you! I forgot about that.

[Yata he/him]

I don't like the "Everstormfather" theory but working with this...A released BAM could be' the Everstorm's core. It fits well with her previous role

[Snipexe he/him]

16 minutes ago, Yata said:

I don't like the "Everstormfather" theory but working with this...A released BAM could be' the Everstorm's core. It fits well with her previous role

BAM?

[The Thinking Herald he/him]

2 hours ago, Snipexe said:

BAM?

Ba-Ado-Mishram. The Highprincess of the Unmade.

[Yezrien]

7 hours ago, Yata said:

I don't like the "Everstormfather" theory but working with this...A released BAM could be' the Everstorm's core. It fits well with her previous role

Interesting. Do you think Ba-Ado-Mishram has already been released? Or are you saying she might join with the Everstorm some time in the future?

[Yata he/him]

8 hours ago, Snipexe said:

BAM?

Sorry I am so used to use that nickname. As The Thinking Herald said I meant Ba-Ado-Mishram. In theory she caused (and her capture stopped) the False Desolation.

37 minutes ago, Belzedar said:

Interesting. Do you think Ba-Ado-Mishram has already been released? Or are you saying she might join with the Everstorm some time in the future?

I meant she was already released and the Everstorm is a new manifestation of her. After all in the past she provided Voidlight and Forms to Regals.

As I said, I don't like this theory...But if we have to make an Unmade fits this "Everstormfather" role...She is the best suited among the Unmade we know (of course She will be an Evermother XD).

In theory it's also possible the Listerners themself freed her. After all She was quite Connected with the species and we know those kind of Connections could be inherited to a degree. It's possible the Collective effort of the Stormform Listeners to summon the new Storm was actually an effort to free BAM.

[Snipexe he/him]

@Yata @The Thinking Herald What I thought, just wanted to confirm

[Xtafa]

I thought we saw a couple of giant spren inside the Highstorm, likely predating the stormfather merging with it at Honors death. My current head canon is that one of the giant spren within were corrupted and split off. Keeps it simple until we have further information or WOB 

[Wandering Investor]

On 4/3/2018 at 2:14 AM, Xtafa said:

I thought we saw a couple of giant spren inside the Highstorm, likely predating the stormfather merging with it at Honors death. My current head canon is that one of the giant spren within were corrupted and split off. Keeps it simple until we have further information or WOB 

The Stormfather is the Hightstorm, always has been. Tanavast's cogntive shadow is what joined the SF after Honor's death. The SF changed after that, but he existed long before. 

[Windrunner2319]

On 4/2/2018 at 7:51 AM, Yata said:

meant she was already released and the Everstorm is a new manifestation of her. After all in the past she provided Voidlight and Forms to Regals.

I thought it said somewhere that the Everstorm did not provide voidlight. So Ba-Ado-Mishram wouldn't have to involved with it.

[Yata he/him]

6 hours ago, Windrunner2319 said:

I thought it said somewhere that the Everstorm did not provide voidlight. So Ba-Ado-Mishram wouldn't have to involved with it.

Kal said that in One of his First chapters.

But Just because the Everstorm didn't provide free Voidlight to everybody/everything, doesn't mean It doesn't provide Voidlight at all... It's possible only Singers are filled by Voidlight in the Everstorm (unlikely but possible) or there is another delivery tool around (weird enough in Venli's chapters this point didn't never arose)

[Windrunner2319]

16 hours ago, Yata said:

Kal said that in One of his First chapters.

But Just because the Everstorm didn't provide free Voidlight to everybody/everything, doesn't mean It doesn't provide Voidlight at all... It's possible only Singers are filled by Voidlight in the Everstorm (unlikely but possible) or there is another delivery tool around (weird enough in Venli's chapters this point didn't never arose)

So what your saying is that if you place a sphere out in the everstorm it won't be filled with voidlight, but there might be voidlight present. That makes sense.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

19 minutes ago, Windrunner2319 said:

So what your saying is that if you place a sphere out in the everstorm it won't be filled with voidlight, but there might be voidlight present. That makes sense.

Plus, I like the theory that voidlight tends to want to stay in instead of leak like stormlight does. The only way Fused would get voidlight would be through direct infusement by BAM or Odium, possibly through the Everstorm, but it doesn't have to be that way. The Everstorm probably just makes it easier.

[Mr. Superficiality]

I think the Everstorm does have a spren the "sibling" but since Odium is still around the "sibling" has to do what ever Odium says but regarding your statement about voidlight, it would go to anybody that can utilize that form of investure 

[Yata he/him]

2 hours ago, Superficiality said:

I think the Everstorm does have a spren the "sibling" but since Odium is still around the "sibling" has to do what ever Odium says but regarding your statement about voidlight, it would go to anybody that can utilize that form of investure 

Odium was around for the whole Desolations cycle but still the Sibling seems to be' not an Enemy of Radiants in the past Desolation.

Possibile (It's not sure) everybody could use Voidlight to many purpose with different hacks. Like also Stormlight could be' used in uncommon ways.

But It's possible/likely there is some requirements to obtain some Voidlight in the First Place.

Forexample maybe Voidlight could be' held only by Singers' heartgem and therefore only they (or gemstone extracted by they) are infused by Voidlight Upon Everstorm passage.

Or maybe they have to require It directly from and be' granted an amount of that.

Or maybe they are periodically recharged by Odium/Bam.

By the way the latter is for now the One more fitting with the facts we know, the others also if more interesting have heavy problems

[Angsos]

Stormfather also said the sibling has been hurt by humans and the gem archive says withdrawing so for these and other reasons the sibling was not an Odiumspren. It could a pre-Honor, Cultivation or Odium superspren.