Pattern he/him Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Using this, I found a massive (length 17) palindrome towards the end: 111825-101112-7124915121010111410215117112-101112-17134483111071514254143410916149149341212254101012512710 -151-9-101112-34-12-5511-52512157-5511-12-34-101112-9-151- 21061534 Am heading full speed towards a dead end, or is this significant? Every "holy" name in Vorin culture is a palindrome, so this could be significant! Silver Kingdoms: Iri, Aimia, Sela Tales, Rishir, Thalath, Natanatan, Alethela, Valhav, Shin Kak Nish, Makabakam Then: Urithiru (th=1 letter in Alethibet) Further, keteks are palindromes. The one from WoR being "Alight, winds approach deadly approaching winds alight." and "Above silence, the illuminating storms - dying storms - illuminate the silence above." "Radiant / of birthplace / the announcer comes / to come announce / the birthplace of Radiants." from tWoK. -151-9-101112-34-12-5511-52512157-5511-12-34-101112-9-151- leaks perfect symmetry, so it's probably not a name (except 52512157 stands for 1 letter), but symmetrical ordered words - a candidate for a ketek. 111825 -101112-71249-151-2-10-101114-10-2-151-17112-101112- 1713448311107-151-4254-14341-09-161-49-1-49-341-212-254-10101-2512710 -151-9-101112-34-12-5511-52512157-5511-12-34-101112-9-151- 21061534 the middle part looks awful, still Edited March 6, 2014 by Pattern 4
Fabrial Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 That's a REALLY good spot. Does that make 9 'I' or 'A'? 1
Lomeon Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) More patterns: There are only two 8s and 6s, the only commonality being 61 There is only one 3 that's not part of a 34 (there are six of them) The only 7 that isn't part of a 71 (there are five of them) is in the palindrome There is another palindrome exactly between the first two sequences of 101121 which also starts and ends with 151 111825 -101112-71249-151-2-10-101114-10-2-151-17112-101112- 17134483111071514254143410916149149341212254101012512710 -151-9-101112-34-12-5511-52512157-5511-12-34-101112-9-151- 21061534 I have no clue how this gets us any closer to turning this into text, but I will keep looking for patterns. Edit: added 6s Edited March 7, 2014 by Lomeon 2
HydrogenAlpha he/him Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 I hope for you guys that this message is worth encrypting.. would suck to put so much work in it to get something like: " Today i had a delicious crossiant for breakfast. I've decided to spare this certain bakery. " 1
Swimmingly he/him Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 "Testing, testing. How efficient is this code? This can be improved. I have little time."
Lomeon Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 I hope for you guys that this message is worth encrypting.. would suck to put so much work in it to get something like: " Today i had a delicious crossiant for breakfast. I've decided to spare this certain bakery. " "...journey before destination." Speaking only for myself, the chance to decode a secret from a story I love is even more valuable than the content of that secret. That said, it would be totally awesome if it contained some Cosmere-shaking information! 3
lummi he/him Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Maybe we need to read it like it sounds ( Amaram maps text ) or smth like that.
Swimmingly he/him Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Maybe we need to read it like it sounds ( Amaram maps text ) or smth like that.It's a sequence of numbers Not sure how that would help.
Swimmingly he/him Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 What if we isolate the palindromatic sequence and assume it's the name of a glyph?
lummi he/him Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 It's a sequence of numbers Not sure how that would help. I meant that u replace the numbers with the letters of the alphabest ( a= 1) and stuff and then try to read it how it sounds or smth.
Gary Singer he/him Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 That Ketek observation is really clever! If I get some time on the weekend, I'll see if there may be any indexing with that. I wish Peter would at least give us the epigraphs that are pertinent (if any others are ). 1
Harakeke Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Considering that the book's only been out for a matter of *days*, I think we've made remarkable progress. 2
Azul he/him Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Just wanted to say thanks to all of you working to figure this out, I knew I'd have no way of solving it. My first thought on reading it was 'thank god there are people smart enough on 17th shard to figure this out!'
PeterAhlstrom he/him Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Those of you wondering if the code is worth figuring out, the answer is yes. 14
Lomeon Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Those of you wondering if the code is worth figuring out, the answer is yes. Well, there goes my pious adherence to "journey before destination." 2
Harakeke Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) I think we're looking at the key to decoding Alethi glyphs! Now that you guys are finding all these palendromes, I think it's unlikely that the code is split like on Floorboard 17. I really like the ketek theory. Take a look at Navani's ketek glyph from p.1081 -- it's a series of repeating shapes. If I were to try to describe the glyph using numbers, I'd break it down into the component symbols, like so: Ketek half: Alight winds approach de- Visual approximation: l.l.l.l. nnn h.h.h. uuuu >>> IIIIIIIIIIIIIII .D.D.D ! C W C i b 7 2 L Arbitrary numeric notation: 1111 222 333 4444 555 666666666666666 777 8 9 10 9 11 12 13 14 15 Condensed numeric notation: <sub-glyph> <# of repeats> 14 23 33 44 53 615 73 18 19 111 112 113 114 115 Remove spaces: 1423334453615731819111112113114 115 This feels very similar to the sort of patterns we're seeing in the actual code. Edited March 6, 2014 by Harakeke 4
Cromptj he/him Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Has anyone tried to see if there is an encryption key hidden in the epigraphs?
Harakeke Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Sorry for the double post, but I think this merits a post of its own: Alethi glyphs use Thaylen orthography! an orthography that is similar to Thaylen. You can read the glyphs using the key I made for the frostlands map! Edit: Okay, the more complex glyphs have some letters that don't show up in my Thaylen key. I'll have to play around with a glyph translation key after work. Edited March 6, 2014 by Harakeke 3
Azul he/him Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Thats amazing Harakeke. Can you use it to translate the glyphs on the scroll artwork that seems to show the swordforms? I'm curious if that is actually what the scroll is about.
Pattern he/him Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Do I get it right, that Thaylen script is vowel-free (like Hebrew)? Ok, to get a feeling for the Thaylen/frostish script I meditated a bit on the map on p.138. Having done it I find it a bit strange, that m/n share a rune while s has two different runes. That v/w, c/k and p/f share a rune is not so strange thinking of original latin and greek alphabets. Sh has one rune, while Th is a compound of the runes of T and h. Now I go on to "scroll of stances", p 218 On this scroll every glyph is symmetric relative to central vertical axis - If we want to construct a glyph from Thaylen graphemes, one half should be enough. (left or right??) (Glyph Pair for Kholin is Khokh Linil, spoken is only the first half, well, Tower and Crown for those glyphs doesn't fit, those are probably stylized versions, see tWoK...Tower and Crown description from WoK does not fit to Bridge 4 tattoo sketch) on page 83 I would read glyphs for sas in thaylen grapheme -> latin as SS W ( SS mirrored) nahn: ? N/M (N/M ? mirrored)shash: (Sh, Sh mirrored + horizontal oriented lines) Edited March 6, 2014 by Pattern 1
Harakeke Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Thats amazing Harakeke. Can you use it to translate the glyphs on the scroll artwork that seems to show the swordforms? I'm curious if that is actually what the scroll is about. I should be able to, but I'll need to make a better key. I'm betting it uses Thaylen graphemes and Alethi orthography. For the big pointy glyph in the middle, I'm reading something along the lines of W/V N/M ? K D <vowel> ? Which is nothing but figgldygrak, but I can at least make out the component graphemes -- which is always the hardest part. edit: @Pattern Exactly. Though the Alethi version looks like it has vowels. Edited March 6, 2014 by Harakeke 2
FeatherWriter she/her Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Harakeke, I continue to be convinced that you are a secret magical Rosharan sent to help us figure these out because storms you're good at this! And this linguistics knowledge is fascinating.
Satsuoni he/him Posted March 6, 2014 Author Posted March 6, 2014 Boy do I feel inadequate (slinks quietly away)
Seerow Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 What was it that Adolin said? "I think I know what some of those words mean" 2
Nikita Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 Split up according by longest-possible palindrome at each point, starting at the beginning. 111-8-2-5-101-11-2-7-1-2-4-9-151-2-10101-11-4-1-0-2-151-171-121-0-111-2-171-3-44-8-3-111-0-7-151-4-2-5-414-3-4-1-0-9-161-4-9-1-4-9-3-4-121-22-5-4-10101-2-5-1-2-7-101-5-191-0-111-2-3-4-1-2-55-11-525-121-575-5-111-2-3-4-101-11-2-9-151-2-1-0-6-1-5-3-4 There are 25 unique numbers here. Could this be a substitution cypher then?
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