Satsuoni he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Soo... Chapter 84 has a strange numeric code as epigraph. Let's try to decode it here 1118251011127124915121010111410215117112101112171344831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125127101519101112341255115251215755111234101112915121061534 Unless I missed a digit or two, that is it. I have been looking on it for a few days, and so far cannot make head or tails from it It is not a straightforward substitution, since there are too many 2-digit combos.So, the questions to be answered are (for me):Is it a prefix code? Does it include transposition? Does it have a progressive key, like Vigenere?Does it translate into English or Alethi (phonetic)? Does it include actual numbers in code?So.. any ideas? Let's try to discuss it together Edit: The quest is done: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6398-wor-chapter-84-code/?p=110247 Edited March 12, 2014 by Satsuoni 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 The only thought I had is that maybe it could be Pattern's name, which is weak. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satsuoni he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 The only thought I had is that maybe it could be Pattern's name, which is weak. So, "Brandon trolls us" theory That is a valid possibility, I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) 11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713 44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125 1271015191011123412551152512157551112341011129151 21061534 is the actual code - there were one or two digits wrong. Nonetheless i cannot make any sense in this at the moment. I have tried to sort it in date format like 1118251011 - and so on, but that gave nothing... Edit: I made a summary, found in post Nr. 302 Edited March 11, 2014 by Pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterAhlstrom he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 It is indeed a code. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satsuoni he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 It is indeed a code. Alethi or English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) 11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713 44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125127 10151910111234125511525121575511123410111291512106 1534 154 digits - if you want to build equal blocks - 154=2*7*11 lets look what happens - nothing good Edited March 4, 2014 by Pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satsuoni he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Ooh, transposition angle. I know next to nothing about it, so I'll concentrate on prefix coding for now Edit: 11182510 11127124915121010 11141021511711210 111217134883 111071514254143410916149149341212254101012512710151910 1112341255115251215755 11123410 1112915121061534 Those "111" are suspect. Suspect, I say Edited March 4, 2014 by Satsuoni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 yeah, but the long 5th block confuses me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Singer he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 I didn't realize this thread had been started. I typed up what I've tried over here: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6404-cracking-the-code-in-wor/. Maybe a mod could move it into this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satsuoni he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Also, 0 is always (that I can see) preceded by 1, they might as well be one symbol... 11182510 111271249151210 10 111410 21511711210 111217134883 1110 71514254143410 91614914934121225410 10 12512710 151910 1112341255115251215755 11123410 11129151210 61534 ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Obviouslytheyarefools (21) TheDesolationneedsnousher(25) Itcanandwillsitwhereitwishesandthesignsareobviousthatthesprenanticipateitdoingsosoon (84) TheAncientofStonesmustfinallybegintocrack (41) Itisawonderthatuponhiswillrestedtheprosperityandpeaceofaworldforoverfourmillennia (83) = 254 letters taking them and the numbers from the code (154 digits) plus the ten given "dates" (another 100 digits) could bring something - i dont know what. Identifying would bring no further information, so that's probably a dead end. dates: 1173090605 1173090801 1173090901 1173091001 1173091004 1173100105 1173100205 1173100401 1173100603 1173100804 perhaps these dates can be used as a key Edited March 4, 2014 by Pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) I try a statistical approach. I split up the sequence so, that numbers can be identified with a letter - that is numbers between 1 and 26, with 1 represented by 01 once. There I need some help, since English is not my mother tongue - i am not familiar with relative abundance of letters in an English text. 11 18 25 10 11 12 7 12 4 9 15 12 10 10 11 14 10 21 5 11 7 11 21 01 11 21 7 13 4 4 8 3 11 10 7 15 14 25 4 1 4 3 4 10 9 16 14 9 14 9 3 4 12 12 25 4 10 10 12 5 12 7 10 15 19 10 11 12 3 4 12 5 5 11 5 25 12 15 7 5 5 11 12 3 4 10 11 12 9 15 12 10 6 15 3 4 Edited March 4, 2014 by Pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Singer he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 We think these are the dates of the highstorms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satsuoni he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Pattern, you want something like http://www.gtoal.com/wordgames/simple_cipher/html/substitution/algorithm.html Assuming 26 letters, of course - alethi have less, iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Singer he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Just for yucks, I tried to use the numbers as Pattern broke them up as indexes into pattern 1, and I got TealTeaeloaellTolutTaTubTuaelleuTlaaoalblulloioooouleeallletealadlTeulettTtaeaattTeullTeoaeleaul Edited March 4, 2014 by AhoyMatey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beef man Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 I don't have the book yet. Has anyone tried to see if the code could be representing chapters, pages, paragraphs, lines, words, ect from the book? Also I agree the 1111 and 10 are suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Ok, I've tried substitution quite a while now and got nothing. One problem is the non-unique way I splitted up the sequence to numbers from 01 to 26. One could also take doublets and take the number modulo 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aminar Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Remember, this code is part of Taravangian's Plan. That context ahould be kept I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Singer he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Remember, this code is part of Taravangian's Plan. That context ahould be kept I think.Yes, I think it has to be from The Diagram. Even assuming that leaves many, many possibilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 It is from the diagram - written on Mr. T's day of brilliance. Which leaves us any possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harakeke Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Pattern, you want something like http://www.gtoal.com/wordgames/simple_cipher/html/substitution/algorithm.html Assuming 26 letters, of course - alethi have less, iirc. Alethi has 25 letters, which can be arranged in 5 groups of 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aminar Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 10 shows up an awful loty, and is an importan number on Roshar.... What if that's just the number 10 and the rest is code? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satsuoni he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Ok, I am going to explore substitution a little more I know it is probably futile. I've cobbled together a small script that splits the string into prefix codes randomly and then tries to solve for substitution using WoK as source for probability distributions. So far only gibberish comes out XD Though due to nature of the check some gibberish actually looks like text , such as "icantiedasomettiltamidetiefusshitdnlanslustorsolouseeans". I am going to sleep, to, will check if it spit out anything in the morning Edit; for now, I assume "10" to be a proper code. Edited March 4, 2014 by Satsuoni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern he/him Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Well, I have found Compiled epigraphs. Thanks to Tarion. I paste them here, so we have all the stuff together: They will come you cannot stop their oaths look for those who survive when they should not that pattern will be your clue - From the Diagram, Coda of the Northwest Bottom Corner: paragraph 3 One danger in deploying such a potent weapon will be the potential encouragement of those exploring the Nahel bond. Care must be taken to avoid placing these subjects in situtions of powerful stress unless you accept consequences of their potential Investiture. - From the Diagram, Floorboard 27: paragraph 6 AhbuttheywereleftbehindItisobviousfromthenatureofthebondButwherewherewhereSetoffObviousRealizationlikeapricity TheyarewiththeShinWemustfindoneCanwemaketouseaTruthlessCanwecraftaweapon - From the Diagram, Floorboard 17: paragraph 2, every second letter starting with the first Q: For what essential must we strive? A: The essential of preservation, to shelter a seeds of humanity through the coming storm Q: What cost must we bear? A: The cost is irrelevant. Mankind must survive. Our burden is that of the species, and all other considerations are but dust by comparison. - From the Diagram, Catechism of the Back of the Flowered Painting: paragraph 1 You must become king. Of Everything. - From the Diagram, Tenets of Instruction, Back of the Footboard: paragraph 1 The Unmade are a deviation, a flair, a conundrum that may not be worth your time. You cannot help but think of them. They are fascinating. Many are mindless. Like the spren of human emotions, only much more nasty. I do believe a few can think, however. - From the Diagram, Book of the 2nd Desk Drawer: paragraph 14 There is one you will watch. Though all of them have some relevance to precognition, Moelach is one of the most powerful in this regard. His touch seeps into a soul as it breaks apart from the body, creating manifestations powered by the spark of death itself. But no, this is a distraction. Deviation. Kingship. We must discuss the nature of kingship. - From the Diagram, Book of the 2nd Desk Drawer: paragraph 15 Obviously they are fools The Desolation needs no usher It can and will sit where it wishes and the signs are obvious that the spren anticipate it doing so soon The Ancient of Stones must finally begin to crack It is a wonder that upon his will rested the prosperity and peace of a world for over four millennia - From the Diagram, Book of the 2nd Ceiling Rotation: pattern 1 11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713 44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125 1271015191011123412551152512157551112341011129151 21061534 - From the Diagram, Book of the 2nd Ceiling Rotation: pattern 15 But who is the wanderer, the wild piece, the one who makes no sense? I glimpse at his implications, and the world opens to me. I shy back. Impossible. Is it? - From the Diagram, West Wall Psalm of Wonders: paragraph 8 (Notew by Adrotagia: Could this refer to Mraize?) One is most certainly a traitor to the others - From the Diagram, Book of the 2nd Desk Drawer: paragraph 27 Chaos in Alethkar is, of course, inevitable. Watch carefully, and do not let power in the kingdom solidify. The Blackthorn could become an ally or our greatest foe, depending on whether he takes the path of the warlord or not. If he seems likely to sue for peace, assassinate him expeditiously. The risk of competition is too great. - From the Diagram, Writings upon the Bedstand Lamp: paragraph 4 (Adrotagia’s 3rd translation from the original hieroglyphics) 1173090605 1173090801 1173090901 1173091001 1173091004 1173100105 1173100205 1173100401 1173100603 1173100804 - From the Diagram, North Wall Coda, Windowsill region: paragraph 2 (This appears to be a sequence of dates, but their relevance is as yet unknown) TherehastobeananswerWhatistheanswerStopTheParshendiOneofthemYestheyarethemissingpiecePushfortheAlethito destroythemoutrightbeforethisoneobtainstheirpowerItwillformabridge - From the Diagram, Floorboard 17: Paragraph 2, every second letter starting with the second Edited March 4, 2014 by Pattern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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