Wreith Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 I think it's been well established in Oathbringer that Urithiru, or at the very least its upper levels, are above the Highstorms. Such that there are baskets for lowering sphere's to infuse. They seem to make this point several times. My question, then, is why is there crem on top of the tower at the end of WoR when Dalinar goes out to talk to the Stormfather? Quote ...the roof was actually relatively small, and not that encrusted with crem If rain does actually fall on top of the tower, then I personally wouldn't have considered it above the storms. Note that I'm not referencing Dalinar's assumption that the trapdoor was held in place by crem. I think it's possible that the door was sealed intentionally. I don't want to just come out and make that assumption though, because obviously there is some crem on the tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksmithki Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 30 minutes ago, Wreith said: I think it's been well established in Oathbringer that Urithiru, or at the very least its upper levels, are above the Highstorms. Such that there are baskets for lowering sphere's to infuse. They seem to make this point several times. My question, then, is why is there crem on top of the tower at the end of WoR when Dalinar goes out to talk to the Stormfather? If rain does actually fall on top of the tower, then I personally wouldn't have considered it above the storms. Note that I'm not referencing Dalinar's assumption that the trapdoor was held in place by crem. I think it's possible that the door was sealed intentionally. I don't want to just come out and make that assumption though, because obviously there is some crem on the tower. Storms can vary in height, it's possible that they have a very rare rainstorm that carries a small amount of crem with it and it built up over around 3-4K years from the very rare bit of rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreith Posted October 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, Blacksmithki said: Storms can vary in height, it's possible that they have a very rare rainstorm that carries a small amount of crem with it and it built up over around 3-4K years from the very rare bit of rain. yeah, but the first one they get was specifically summoned by the Stormfather to cleanse the plains and counter the Everstorm. Would've thought it one of the bigger ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Probably wind blew crem and dust for centuries and it sealed the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bo.montier Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 I imagine "above the storms" meaning above the WRATH of the storms. The winds and destruction all happen below, but the rain still falls. No reason to read it that way except my personal understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreith Posted October 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, bo.montier said: I imagine "above the storms" meaning above the WRATH of the storms. The winds and destruction all happen below, but the rain still falls. No reason to read it that way except my personal understanding. there's reference to them looking down at the storms, so I don't think this is correct. The simplest answer is that some storms get higher than others, but that doesn't... and as I'm typing, it occurs to me that everything on Roshar deals with wave forms. If highstorms don't just have a frequency, but also an amplitude, the varying height makes sense. I was picturing them as a constructed front with only the frequency varying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bo.montier Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 14 minutes ago, Wreith said: there's reference to them looking down at the storms, so I don't think this is correct. The simplest answer is that some storms get higher than others, but that doesn't... and as I'm typing, it occurs to me that everything on Roshar deals with wave forms. If highstorms don't just have a frequency, but also an amplitude, the varying height makes sense. I was picturing them as a constructed front with only the frequency varying. You've also got to consider that there is moisture in clouds. It could be that the bulk of the storm goes on below, but the tops of the clouds roll through/over Urithiru, depositing trace amounts of crem as they go. Imagine walking through fog, you get wet even though there's no precip. The tip-tops of storms could be the same way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreith Posted October 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, bo.montier said: You've also got to consider that there is moisture in clouds. It could be that the bulk of the storm goes on below, but the tops of the clouds roll through/over Urithiru, depositing trace amounts of crem as they go. Imagine walking through fog, you get wet even though there's no precip. The tip-tops of storms could be the same way. The weeping doesn't deposit crem. Thus I wouldn't expect clouds themselves to do so. And that doesn't help with the fact that they look down at the storms which my difficulty with the idea. I'm content with my own variable amplitude solution until it's disproven somehow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasha Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Above the Storms, the pavement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreith Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 I just re-read Szeth's interlude in WoR at the tower and he says Urithiru is above the clouds. Having been there multiple times, he would know. So I'm still curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Wreith said: I just re-read Szeth's interlude in WoR at the tower and he says Urithiru is above the clouds. Having been there multiple times, he would know. So I'm still curious Above the clouds, but there's still wind and wind brings dust and crem. I'm skeptical towards the idea of someone trying to seal the door, because it would be a rather lame attempt as all Dalinar needed were a few pushes. After all, Urithiru was inhibited by surgebinders who have much more efficient ways if they wanted a door to stay closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreith Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 15 minutes ago, Aleksiel said: Above the clouds, but there's still wind and wind brings dust and crem. I'm skeptical towards the idea of someone trying to seal the door, because it would be a rather lame attempt as all Dalinar needed were a few pushes. After all, Urithiru was inhibited by surgebinders who have much more efficient ways if they wanted a door to stay closed. It wasn't just a few pushes. He cut around the edge with the Shardblade he had at the time. But I'm not saying that's what happened exactly. I just want an adequate explanation of the crem since everything that would normally result in crem deposits doesn't reach the top of the tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScavellTane Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 I'll just say that if the Stormfather could get up there, the crem can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 16 minutes ago, Wreith said: It wasn't just a few pushes. He cut around the edge with the Shardblade he had at the time. But I'm not saying that's what happened exactly. I just want an adequate explanation of the crem since everything that would normally result in crem deposits doesn't reach the top of the tower. I think Dalinar would describe normal dust as crem, too. The tower has been abandoned for centuries, I'm curious why there isn't dust inside or may be we were just spared the cleaning rooms details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScavellTane Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Was the cover wood or rock? If it's wood it could've swelled due to moisture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 On 10/23/2017 at 1:17 PM, Wreith said: I think it's been well established in Oathbringer that Urithiru, or at the very least its upper levels, are above the Highstorms. Such that there are baskets for lowering sphere's to infuse. They seem to make this point several times. My question, then, is why is there crem on top of the tower at the end of WoR when Dalinar goes out to talk to the Stormfather? If rain does actually fall on top of the tower, then I personally wouldn't have considered it above the storms. Note that I'm not referencing Dalinar's assumption that the trapdoor was held in place by crem. I think it's possible that the door was sealed intentionally. I don't want to just come out and make that assumption though, because obviously there is some crem on the tower. Then how did strata ever form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreith Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, Steeldancer said: Then how did strata ever form? Is Urithiru described as cut from the mountain? If it was soulcast or built from transported blocks or transitioned from the cognitive realm as some of the theories suggest, then this doesn't require a natural explanation. That said, The strata could have formed during the creation of the mountains at whatever point in Roshar's history as a landmass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Wreith said: Is Urithiru described as cut from the mountain? If it was soulcast or built from transported blocks or transitioned from the cognitive realm as some of the theories suggest, then this doesn't require a natural explanation. That said, The strata could have formed during the creation of the mountains at whatever point in Roshar's history as a landmass. Or, the strata are different. Like the theory suggests. And how did Urithiru get cut in the first place? It was before the actual Knights, because Nohadon walked to it, and at that point there was no Radiant constructs, just Surgebinders. Perhaps the Honorblades? What came about as a result of the actual Knights? Hrm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulcastJam Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Ummm.. Did we all forget that there are gardens on the tiers of urithiru? Are you assuming that all the watering comes from the well on the first level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreith Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 5 minutes ago, soulcastJam said: Ummm.. Did we all forget that there are gardens on the tiers of urithiru? Are you assuming that all the watering comes from the well on the first level? I automatically assumed that they had water moving fabrials like Navani theorized about earlier, yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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