Quick Fix Game 25: A Sundered Sky

[Eternum he/him]

Alright, people seem to be suspicious of me. Jon, can you please actually explain why you think I'm elim? (I won't ask Sami, because they seem to be busy. If I survive this cycle, they can voice their suspicions. If I don't, I guess I won't need to tell y'all you were wrong.)

EDIT: Huh, now that I think about it, Sami voting for me out of the blue after Yitzi voted for me is very suspicious. I'm sure they won't be retracting their votes, though. Whatever they do at this point would probably look more suspicious.

Edited August 7, 2017 by Eternum
Added something I realized.

[Elenion he/him]

9 hours ago, Eternum said:

Here's the page, Len. I'm not exactly sure why you want it though.

Just checking to make sure that you were quoting Ecth from the thread and not elsewhere because I didn't remember Ecth saying that. But he did, so no issues there.

@Jondesu You admit that your wariness of me is based mostly on my rep and playstyle, so why are you voting on me? Are there any reasons why you're voting on me that are alignment-indicative for me?

Also, from my reads post I noted Jon, Sart, Orlok, and Elith as acting suspiciously. I'm going to support Lopen's vote on Orlok because every elim team needs an experienced player, and Orlok fits the bill, hasn't been targeted yet, and hasn't been openly suspected until now.

Edited August 7, 2017 by Elenion

[Eternum he/him]

Yitzi, because of reasons I have mentioned previously + a bad gut read.

I also have a slight elim read on Sami in light of recent events.

[Arinian]

13 hours ago, Sart said:

Someone's trying to have me killed. It appears that Arinian is a Stoneward. Since he was in danger of being lynched, he moved one of the votes on him to me. However, due to Lopen's last minute vote change, Jondesu was tied with me, and I got lucky. Does that make Arinian a Skybreaker? I don't think so. That would be a very powerful role for the Eliminators, as it nets them 2 extra votes (1 off the player in second place, 1 on the player the elims want to lynch) It depends on the number of powers in the village. If there's a large abundance of power, then the Elims might also have powers. However, we have 5 New Recruits already dead, and there is a weaker vote manipulation in the form of Dustbringing. It seems more likely that Arinian is a villager for the time being. Unfortunately, that means I have to deal with a Village Vote-Manipulator who is tunneling on me. Great... I don't have any powers, so me dying wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but I'm at least trying to be active. I'd prefer not to die if possible.

And now I'm worried that Yitzi is the Truthless because of the switch to Eternum. I'm worried he's trying to drum up anger against himself in order to go up in a blaze of glory. Then again, he did apparently do a role swap, so that might be out of the picture. Erg... now I'm questioning my own reads. I'll vote tomorrow.

I think it's pretty obvious right now so I will confirm that I'm Stoneward. Village Stoneward. 

Also I don't think that Stoneward is something overpowered for elims in this game, they easy can have atleast one. That statement based on known to everyone information, atleast 2 village Dustbringers dead and 1 alive and known village Stoneward(me ). And there also other information from which we can judge that village have other roles(Lopen saved from kill and Jon that survived lynch).

Turn 1. On first turn I moved Winter's vote from Rae on Ecth.  Why winter's vote? And why on Ecth? Cause I thought that Ecth can be truthless or elim and also I was suspicious of Winter, so I decided that it would be nice to kill ecth and if he truthless that's will kill winter so that nice too... two for one. But Flash was unlucky... 

Turn 2. I obviously moved Stick's vote on Stick 

Turn 3. Moved Stinks vote on Winter.(I don't know why I've done that *shrug*, he said 4 so I moved his vote on 4 I think that was my logic for it )

Turn 4. It's also obvious Eternum's vote on Sart.

On whom I gonna vote... Honestly not much changed from previous cycle, I still want to vote on Sart but I'm not sure, cause some people saying that I'm tunneling on him... I don't know... I really tunneling on him? Cause I don't feel like that. I honestly don't know even if I should vote cause I have feeling that all this game I was wrong in everything, dumb I 

Will decide if I should vote later... I think.

 

[Magestar he/him]

I'm going to vote on Len.  I'm not feeling the Orlok lynch, and while I would tend to be paranoid of Lopen for starting the lynch, he hasn't replied since Orlok defended himself.  So I'll just vote on Len, who's reasoning isn't very good IMO.

Although it is kinda normal Len-meta-reasoning.

-sigh-

[Jondesu he/him]

@Elenion, like I said last cycle, something about the way you were presenting the items in your analysis came across like someone trying to find the most legitimate sounding reason to lynch someone, while perhaps avoiding fingering a fellow Elim who hadn’t drawn suspicion yet. It’s not much, I’m aware, but it’s my best for now.

Mind stating again why you’re suspicious of me? I know not voting last cycle (until I took flak for it) was one thing, but I’m not sure what else.

As for Orlok, I would caution us against lynching experienced players simply for not having been attacked. This is partly because I hope to be considered part of that group soon, but it also just feels like a very bad precedent if we want good and active players to play. Lynch them for posts or associatations or analysis, sure, even process of elimination, but not for not dying.

[Ecthelion III he/him]

I'm not feeling the Orlok lynch either. I think the fact that he's still alive doesn't tell us anything. My gut's been suspicious of Winter for most of the game, but I think Elenion might be evil too, more so than the other candidates.

[STINK he/him]

14 hours ago, Eternum said:

Sure, my posts haven't been squeaky clean, but whose are? We've lynched 3 villagers at this point.

*shines brightly*

9 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said:

I think Orlok is an eliminator. For 3 reasons.

1- He's still alive. Why attack Drake, Megasif, and Rae? They're not bad players, but Orlok has caught entire elims teams before, which you'd assume would make him a high priority target. This isn't a strong point, but I do feel it might have some merit.

2 - For as much as he's posted, and as many people have commented about him, I don't recall much, if any, strong reads on him. At this point in the game, I think the elims would either try to buddy up to him if he were village, or just kill him. But so far players just keep saying they're "wary" of him, or "kind of" trust him. I think this is because he's evil and his teammates don't want to implicate themselves or him by saying they think he's village, but they don't want to draw attention to him by putting him in their actual suspicions. This, I think, is the strongest point against him.

3 - My final point is just that I personally feel like his posts are just slightly off. I can't really put my finger on anything specific, but I've had this feeling most of the game. Probably the weakest point, tbh, since it's solely based on my ability to read Orlok, and I've had troubles in the past with that.

Anyways, combined, these things make me think that there's a fairly high chance Orlok is evil.

Orlok's already talked about this, but I just wanna add that this feels like it's kinda come out of nowhere, like point 2 is 'we're not sure what, so he's evil'. Dunno, this just feels weird, like it's the thing where it's supposed to be all the points in combination are a strong argument, but each individual argument is kinda weak. But yeah, Orlok already talked loads about this.

8 hours ago, Eternum said:

Orlok's been literally hiding in plain sight this game, posting and getting involved in discussion and yet nobody has any reads on him other than neutral, which is odd. I'm not sure whether I trust him either, but atm I think there are others that have a higher chance of being elim than Orlok.

4 hours ago, Magestar said:

I want to put my vote on Elith to back up my suspicions, but I feel sort of weird lynching him while he's away.  Rae ended up being good, and while I'm still paranoid of both Lopen and Orlok, I don't really feel like it'd be a good idea to vote on either of them.

So, I suppose it's back to Winter.

I'm taking suggestions here because I really don't know what to do.  

You say back to winter, then um, don't really talk about Winter. 

1 hour ago, Eternum said:

EDIT: Huh, now that I think about it, Sami voting for me out of the blue after Yitzi voted for me is very suspicious. I'm sure they won't be retracting their votes, though. Whatever they do at this point would probably look more suspicious.

If you didn't know by now Eternum, I like the way you play.

1 hour ago, Elenion said:

1. Just checking to make sure that you were quoting Ecth from the thread and not elsewhere because I didn't remember Ecth saying that. But he did, so no issues there.

2.  You admit that your wariness of me is based mostly on my rep and playstyle, so why are you voting on me? Are there any reasons why you're voting on me that are alignment-indicative for me?

Also, from my reads post I noted Jon, Sart, Orlok, and Elith as acting suspiciously. I'm going to support Lopen's vote on Orlok because every elim team needs an experienced player, and Orlok fits the bill, hasn't been targeted yet, and hasn't been openly suspected until now.

1. Tbh this kind of thinking is nice but also p weird. Why's your mind focused on the Docs so much, Len?

2. 'You're voting on me because of my rep, don't do that.' followed by 'Voting on Orlok because of his rep'. 10/10

1 hour ago, Eternum said:

Yitzi, because of reasons I have mentioned previously + a bad gut read.

I also have a slight elim read on Sami in light of recent events.

Eternum, I like the way you play

1 minute ago, Magestar said:

I'm going to vote on Len.  I'm not feeling the Orlok lynch, and while I would tend to be paranoid of Lopen for starting the lynch, he hasn't replied since Orlok defended himself.  So I'll just vote on Len, who's reasoning isn't very good IMO.

Although it is kinda normal Len-meta-reasoning.

-sigh-

What happened to Winter? Mage, I've always relied on you for your reads that last for all the ages. Since when did you start changing your mind?

 

[Magestar he/him]

7 minutes ago, STINK said:

You say back to winter, then um, don't really talk about Winter. 

I say back to winter, then, umm, realize Winter hasn't been talking.  I think some people scared them off with their lack of proper pronouns.  

7 minutes ago, STINK said:

What happened to Winter? Mage, I've always relied on you for your reads that last for all the ages. Since when did you start changing your mind?

Hey, this is like, one of the first QF's I've actually remained active in, in a long time.  And Winter is still up there, but they really haven't really done anything since I became suspicious of them.  They've sort of started flying under the radar.

Which, I suppose, could in and of itself be considered suspicious.  But I usually don't like trying to lynch super quiet peeps.

Also the combination paranoia here is killing me.  If Orlok was good than I would have thought Lopen was evil because I can't read either of them, but now that we're attacking Len and Len is attacking Orlok but Stink is defending Orlok and I can't read stink either oh no what am i going to do

help

[STINK he/him]

Just now, Magestar said:

I say back to winter, then, umm, realize Winter hasn't been talking.  I think some people scared them off with their lack of proper pronouns.  

Hey, this is like, one of the first QF's I've actually remained active in, in a long time.  And Winter is still up there, but they really haven't really done anything since I became suspicious of them.  They've sort of started flying under the radar.

Which, I suppose, could in and of itself be considered suspicious.  But I usually don't like trying to lynch super quiet peeps.

Also the combination paranoia here is killing me.  If Orlok was good than I would have thought Lopen was evil because I can't read either of them, but now that we're attacking Len and Len is attacking Orlok but Stink is defending Orlok and I can't read stink either oh no what am i going to do

help

Aight let me lay it down straight for ya good pal ol buddy good chap

basically let's say that we're all various different pizza chains alright

so I specialise in the pizza where you dont know what you get until you open up the pizza box and you're all like 'wow this is amazing'

Orlok is all about the pizza where it's actually shaped like a book because he's cultured and you aren't allowed to eat it until you complete his super hard quiz but its also like super amazing

Len is a pizza where he's somehow made it so that it changes while you're eating it, so you're like 'i love pepperoni' but then he's all like 'haha jokes on you it was meatballs all along' and you're like kinda miffed but it's still good cause you like meatballs

Lopen focuses on like big trusty pizzas that you can always rely on and you don't really get a surprise at any point but its like you always have a craving for it cause its so reliable and huggable

So what I'm willing to say is that the combination of this big trusty pizza is dope with the quizzical pizza and can be like a super team but lopen dont wanna take the quiz and orlok aint about big pizzas, but i do both and its yummy

Len is all like no-one knows cause you eat the pizza but its not a pizza and its v confusing, ya know?

also you cant read me cause you aint opened the box

TLDR; Why not both for Lopen and Orlok, Len is forever a mystery, and I'm the best pizza

[Magestar he/him]

2 minutes ago, STINK said:

Aight let me lay it down straight for ya good pal ol buddy good chap

-pizza stuff-

Ok.  I got it.  Thanks.  <- Lies

So you're saying Lopen and Orlok could both be good, or both be evil?

And, I'm hesitant to ask, but what kind of pizza am I?

[Eternum he/him]

25 minutes ago, STINK said:

Eternum, I like the way you play

Thanks?

Also, Mage beat me to it, but what kind of pizza am I?

[STINK he/him]

19 minutes ago, Magestar said:

Ok.  I got it.  Thanks.  <- Lies

So you're saying Lopen and Orlok could both be good, or both be evil?

And, I'm hesitant to ask, but what kind of pizza am I?

One point is that I trust El and her balancing enough that I don't feel confident in guessing her distribution, at all. So making links between those two solely because of experience? Weak points. Use what they've said, or the Boogeyman will get you.

Okay so mage is now also a pizza

He used to be this brand where he did like a few pizzas but everyone always had their favourite pizza and mage would always deliver but now hes all like 'wam bam what if i give them all' and its like too much mage to handle for one human being

15 minutes ago, Eternum said:

Thanks?

Also, Mage beat me to it, but what kind of pizza am I?

np keep it up eternum, even if you are actually evil

you're the newest pizza shop that just opened and all the cool kids are gonna go there cause they're tired of the old stuff but really you're pizza is kinda like everyone else's which is a good thing in the end and you'll get a lil fanbase of the pizza and it'll be a grand ol time

[Eternum he/him]

Please let this pizza thing become a running joke

Jokes aside, I think I'm onto something here with Yitzi and Sami.

I'd also like to apologize to Arinian, if you truly are who you say you are. My suspicions weren't really very founded, and aside from focusing on Sart there isn't really much you can be blamed for. Your vote manips are understandable, mainly because you only kinda just helped lynch people the entire thread suspected.

If any Lightweavers read this, Arinian might need some protection this cycle.

(Yes, I know they could also be lying, but I don't think they are.)

EDIT: also, Arinian, if you could help me, y'know, not die, I'd be grateful. I already have 2 votes on me, and I suspect the elims have a Stoneward too.

Edited August 7, 2017 by Eternum

[STINK he/him]

Doth anyone have a vote count?

[Arinian]

1 hour ago, STINK said:

TLDR; Why not both for Lopen and Orlok, Len is forever a mystery, and I'm the best pizza

I'm not sure if you are pizza Stink, but I'm sure that you nuts. 

13 minutes ago, Eternum said:

Please let this pizza thing become a running joke

Jokes aside, I think I'm onto something here with Yitzi and Sami.

I'd also like to apologize to Arinian, if you truly are who you say you are. My suspicions weren't really very founded, and aside from focusing on Sart there isn't really much you can be blamed for. Your vote manips are understandable, mainly because you only kinda just helped lynch people the entire thread suspected.

If any Lightweavers read this, Arinian might need some protection this cycle.

(Yes, I know they could also be lying, but I don't think they are.)

EDIT: also, Arinian, if you could help me, y'know, not die, I'd be grateful. I already have 2 votes on me, and I suspect the elims have a Stoneward too.

No. You surely not gonna get my help till I know Sart's alignment.

8 minutes ago, STINK said:

Doth anyone have a vote count?

Just wanted to ask it, nice Stink doing all work for me 

[Eternum he/him]

I think this is correct, btw. Feel free to correct any mistakes.

(2)Orlok: Lopen, Len

(3)Len: Jon, Mage, Ecth

(2)Eternum: Yitzi, Sami

(1)Yitzi: Eternum

 

Edited August 7, 2017 by Eternum
Typo.

[STINK he/him]

4 minutes ago, Eternum said:

I think this is correct, btw. Feel free to correct any mistakes.

(2)Orlok: Lopen, Len

(3)Len: Jon, Mage, Ecth

(2)Eternum: Yitzi, Sami

(1)Yitzi: Eternum

 

Aight, so it's basically either Len or Yitzi?

[Eternum he/him]

There was one vote on Sart by Yitzi, but they retracted it in favor of voting for me.

I've already voiced my suspicions on that, and the following second vote by Sami.

Anyway, yeah, that makes sense, Arinian. Though, if I am correct in my assumption about Yitzi, Sart is probably village. If that lynch is correct and Yitzi is elim, there's a good chance Sami is one too, and Sart is village.

[Eternum he/him]

Yeah Stink, either Len or Yitzi. I honestly think we should lynch Yitzi, but hey. I could be wrong, though there's quite a bit of evidence pointing towards Yitzi being an elim, moreso than Len. Plus, they complimented me. I'm inclined to help them (I'm joking, if it's not obvious.)

[Eternum he/him]

*Pizza chain.

Details are important

Nah, Stink's really the only person I'm reading positively village on.

They have had literally nothing that can implicate them, and they've given some good insight. I'd just be glad if they voted xD

[Elenion he/him]

You can lynch me today if you want; I'm packing a spare life (yes, I am going to role-claim despite my plan not to). It'll waste the lynch, sure, but it won't take a player out of the game.

[Jondesu he/him]

2 minutes ago, Elenion said:

You can lynch me today if you want; I'm packing a spare life (yes, I am going to role-claim despite my plan not to). It'll waste the lynch, sure, but it won't take a player out of the game.

You could be a Skybreaker Elsecaller, or another Skybreaker could be a Lightweaver.  That makes this a good delaying tactic, though it's bad for us whether you're village or not (but necessary if you are a Skybreaker). Ugh.

[Eternum he/him]

Jon, either way, wasting a lynch is not a good idea. There are better elim suspects atm, and I don't really see where your suspicion of Len even comes from. Could you explain?

EDIT: Waaait. I realized something. Len said they suspected Yitzi was Truthless. What if it was meant to discourage us from voting for them? If that's true, then it's extremely likely we've just discovered 3 elims.

 

Edited August 7, 2017 by Eternum
I'm getting a lot of moments of realization today. Being useful is fun.

[Elenion he/him]

3 minutes ago, Jondesu said:

You could be a Skybreaker Elsecaller, or another Skybreaker could be a Lightweaver.  That makes this a good delaying tactic, though it's bad for us whether you're village or not (but necessary if you are a Skybreaker). Ugh.

I'm not saying you shouldn't lynch me, I'm just saying that if you do I won't die. I'm not really helping the village much: I have no active PMs and my reads aren't very good apparently, so I might actually be the best lynch today.