Toaster Retribution he/him Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 I guess most of you recall the mad beggar in Axies Interlude. The guy who builds cities with vegetables. Any theories on him? Who he is, what he is doing, wether he is connected to anyone? Or is he just a random beggar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 never seen a theory about him. okay, he could be hoid, but then again, anybody could be hoid. not every random beggar can be hoid, and hoid already makes several appearances in some of the characters backstories (not sure if you read edgedancer, so I'm not saying more). therefore i ppropend for "just a random beggar, but not 100% sure" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, king of nowhere said: (not sure if you read edgedancer, so I'm not saying more). I read Edgedancer. What does he do in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer he/him Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 I think he's Jezrien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 19 minutes ago, Flash said: I think he's Jezrien. I could see this, but I doubt their appearances are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 33 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: I read Edgedancer. What does he do in that? edgedancer (minor) spoiler: Spoiler when Lift was younger she knew a mad beggar who told her strangely wise stuff. then the guy jumped into the mouth of a big fish. that was hoid. as wit, he mentions that he once spent the best part of a year inside a large stomach. and brandon confirmed that he wanted someplace quiet to use a slow speed bubble to pass the time 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner he/him Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 14 minutes ago, king of nowhere said: edgedancer (minor) spoiler: Hide contents when Lift was younger she knew a mad beggar who told her strangely wise stuff. then the guy jumped into the mouth of a big fish. that was hoid. as wit, he mentions that he once spent the best part of a year inside a large stomach. and brandon confirmed that he wanted someplace quiet to use a slow speed bubble to pass the time Can you source that last line? It's news to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer he/him Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 The beggar in edgedancer was hoid. This guy is not hoid. He's different. I think he's a herald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I always took him as a random madman. Jezrien is theorized to be the drunk in the tWoK Prologue who says "have you seen me?" near the Heralds statues. It could be him as the madman, but I would like to think that not every character is secretly significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scifan he/him Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Many characters that are specifically focused upon in one fashion or another seem to have some level of significance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azul he/him Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Sometimes a mad beggar is just a mad beggar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 11 hours ago, Pagerunner said: Can you source that last line? It's news to me. Unfortunately I can't; it's something I remember reading in the comment of another sharder. Alas, if this was an academic paper, it would get thrown into the trash for that, but a post in a forum can accept somewhat lower levels of verification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner he/him Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 16 minutes ago, king of nowhere said: Unfortunately I can't; it's something I remember reading in the comment of another sharder. Alas, if this was an academic paper, it would get thrown into the trash for that, but a post in a forum can accept somewhat lower levels of verification. When you trust your own memory, you can accidentally conflate theories and facts. I have seen it happen with my own theories, people passing parts of them off as canon. In this particular instance, all I've been able to find on the Shard is a theory: No, this isn't an 'academic' paper, but when you refer to a WoB, you should always be ready to verify it. It's the only way to keep discourse free of false ideas, since that kind of incorrect tribal knowledge can be very harmful. Yes, it can be challenging to source some of the more recent stuff, since Theoryland hasn't been updated since December. (Which is partly why the Shard mods are hard at work on their own system.) But every WoB is still in the Events and Signings forum, so they are still accessible, even if you need to wade through some other discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 26 minutes ago, Pagerunner said: No, this isn't an 'academic' paper, but when you refer to a WoB, you should always be ready to verify it. It's the only way to keep discourse free of false ideas, since that kind of incorrect tribal knowledge can be very harmful. Yes, it can be challenging to source some of the more recent stuff, since Theoryland hasn't been updated since December. (Which is partly why the Shard mods are hard at work on their own system.) But every WoB is still in the Events and Signings forum, so they are still accessible, even if you need to wade through some other discussion. I've never been good at finding wob, as they are scattered through so many places, at least that I know of. So I just take the lazy man way out of citing an unsupported wob and then hope some more coscientious sharder will provide a direct reference, and then upvote said coscientious sharder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crucible of Shards he/him Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I've always been intrigued by the mad beggar in Axies' interlude. I think the idea of him being a herald is fun, but I don't think it has much more evidence than the beggar at the king's feast being a herald. If he is a herald, he would have to be Jezrien, because the other 4 male heralds are accounted for (unless Taln is not Taln). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 As others have said, either this beggar or the one in the WoK prologue could be Jezrien (or they could be the same person, I don't know if we have enough description to even guess at that) since we've accounted for most of the other male Heralds and neither is lucid enough to fit what we know of Ishar. But by the same token, both of them could just be random beggars with screws loose. Brandon does so love messing with us and has cautioned us on more than one occasion not to read too much into everything he does. But if we assume for purposes of argument that we have seen Jezrien already, my money would be on the beggar from the prologue since we know that multiple other Heralds were present at the event and both of them have mentioned Jezrien, with Nale additionally implying a level of familiarity with his current circumstances. 16 hours ago, Flash said: The beggar in edgedancer was hoid. This guy is not hoid. He's different. I think he's a herald. Hair-splitting time. Lift thinks about Hoid in Edgedancer but he doesn't actually appear onscreen. The begger she directly interacts with in the novella is not Hoid, but we could be forgiven for suspecting he was at first (I know that was my immediate thought). Turns out he's something rather different... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crucible of Shards he/him Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 27 minutes ago, Weltall said: But if we assume for purposes of argument that we have seen Jezrien already, my money would be on the beggar from the prologue since we know that multiple other Heralds were present at the event and both of them have mentioned Jezrien, with Nale additionally implying a level of familiarity with his current circumstances. Double hair splitting time. We have seen Jezrien for sure in the Oathpact breaking scene. So if neither of them are Jezrien, Brandon can still honestly say that we have seen Jezrien on-screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Crucible of Shards said: Double hair splitting time. We have seen Jezrien for sure in the Oathpact breaking scene. So if neither of them are Jezrien, Brandon can still honestly say that we have seen Jezrien on-screen. So let's split hairs even further. He said that we have seen (or at least heard mention of) all of the Heralds in the first to books. The Oathpact breaking scene isn't technically in those first two books. It's a prelude to the series as a whole. tWoK would start at the Prologue involving Szeth and the assassination. Is that how he meant it though? Or is he cheating like you imply. Edited August 1, 2017 by Calderis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer he/him Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 At this point how can we even split the hair again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crucible of Shards he/him Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Flash said: At this point how can we even split the hair again We can invent a Division fabrial to keep spliting the hair until it's one atom wide. Edited August 1, 2017 by Crucible of Shards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer he/him Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Crucible of Shards said: We can invent a Division fabrial to keep spliting the hair until it's one atom wide. I think you can only really do that with gold... Can division even do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crucible of Shards he/him Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Flash said: I think you can only really do that with gold... Can division even do that? I'm pretty sure the only thing Division can't divide is an atom (or smaller). ...But I have no source. Edited August 1, 2017 by Crucible of Shards Honesty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 53 minutes ago, Flash said: At this point how can we even split the hair again Have you ever read Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum? At one point his protagonists are inventing useless fields of study as an intellecual game and one of them was Tetrapyloctomy, or the art of splitting a hair four ways. It's a great word. xD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 So, what we learn from sanderson's books is: never give charity to beggars. They are all secretly ultra-powerful people with secret agendas and they don't need your help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner he/him Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Calderis said: The Oathpact breaking scene isn't technically in those first two books. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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