Long Game 36: State of Being

[Elenion he/him]

The Jury Doc is now open for the 4 open cases!

 

We have a post request from Alv:

 

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

sorryyyyyyyyyyyy...I was supposed to do analysis

@Orlok Tsubodai I changed my mind about Manukos because of something from my essence mark...I should have gotten back on to check but Sunday was crazy for me...sorry 

[Megasif he/him]

Hmm. So kinda surprised but I was 50/50 on manukos anyway.

[Sparkrunner he/him]

@Clanky @Orlok Tsubodai This is the best I can do as of right now, some might be mixed up but these are my thoughts on Clanky.

Clanky says some Captain Obvious stuff and then says that he does not believe that Odium is a role. Yitzi was odium...

RP.

Votes on @Araris Valerian and prods @Daniyah and @A Joe in the Bush for... Inactivity?  

Theorizes on location and worldhopping a little.

Denounces Alvron lynch as silly, prods @Araris Valerian again.

Backs down pretty fast from denouncing the Alv lynch.

RP & RP Relevant Stuff

Votes on Straw over Cloud, analyzes lynch.

Says dying is not that easy, supports the Straw lynch more.

Accepts suspicion for breaking the tie on cloud, makes a comment about worldhopping to different shards.

Apologizes for overlooking the post from straw that says he is away, not inactive.

Comes in 7 of 10 votes on yitzi, Is this late enough to be a bus?

RP.

Has some good reasons for voting on manukos and FoS on megasif

Votes on me whimsically, makes some contradicting and Capt. Obvious Statements.

Wants a random lynch badly.

Red flags (For me) on this post.

Asks for clarification on the lynch. (next few posts, too)

Badly wants a random lynch again.

And again.

Notes his inactivity.

 

My Gut Feeling is

 

For those of you who denounce gut feeling, read this. Gut feeling is powerful!

 

 

[Orlok Tsubodai]

4 hours ago, Roadwalker said:

@Clanky @Orlok Tsubodai This is the best I can do as of right now, some might be mixed up but these are my thoughts on Clanky.

Clanky says some Captain Obvious stuff and then says that he does not believe that Odium is a role. Yitzi was odium...

RP.

Votes on @Araris Valerian and prods @Daniyah and @A Joe in the Bush for... Inactivity?  

Theorizes on location and worldhopping a little.

Denounces Alvron lynch as silly, prods @Araris Valerian again.

Backs down pretty fast from denouncing the Alv lynch.

RP & RP Relevant Stuff

Votes on Straw over Cloud, analyzes lynch.

Says dying is not that easy, supports the Straw lynch more.

Accepts suspicion for breaking the tie on cloud, makes a comment about worldhopping to different shards.

Apologizes for overlooking the post from straw that says he is away, not inactive.

Comes in 7 of 10 votes on yitzi, Is this late enough to be a bus?

RP.

Has some good reasons for voting on manukos and FoS on megasif

Votes on me whimsically, makes some contradicting and Capt. Obvious Statements.

Wants a random lynch badly.

Red flags (For me) on this post.

Asks for clarification on the lynch. (next few posts, too)

Badly wants a random lynch again.

And again.

Notes his inactivity.

 

My Gut Feeling is

 

For those of you who denounce gut feeling, read this. Gut feeling is powerful!

 

 

I'm really glad that you've done this, Roadwalker. Gut might be a tool for finding things, but it's not useful for everyone else, trying to get a read on you, or establishing whether your lynch target should be supported. That said. You've set out why you think your gut is as it is, which is wonderful.

I disagree on a number of points you've made - the Yitzi bandwagon being negative rather than neutral, and the Odium statement, but think Clanky is worth further scrutiny.

Lets look at the player list again.

1. Lucky Duke (Cloudjumper) - handy with a barrel
2. Vulture Sam (asterion137) - a card hustler
3. BrightnessRadiant as Herself - very confused worldhopper
4. Liz Allan (Sami) - terribly confused Marvel fanatic
5. Tautali Laust (Megasif) - valiant Radiant on a journey of self-discovery
6. Dr. C (Clanky) - Rickrolling mad scientist
7. Locke Tekiel (OrlokTsubodai) - I feel like this guy's died before
8. Silver Feather (Roadwalker) - deep in thought
9. An Innocent Man (A Joe in the Bush) - definitely harmless
10. Daniyah as Herself - first blackout game!
11. Aralis (Araris Valerian) - former head-thumper back from the dead
12. Mr, Red Facemask (Alvron) - likes to use commas

From this player list, we can rule out Asterion, and I'm going to take myself out for the purposes of my analysis.

I had thought that Alv was evil, based on my misreading of Manukos (for which I'm terribly sorry, @Manukos). I don't think there's any other reason to read him as evil. Equally, we don't know the alignment change mechanics. I'd be surprised if it were as high as a 50% chance of conversion, and would be equally surprised if the eliminators could bring people back as evil. I'm going to rule Alv out of being evil for now.

If Manukos had been evil, I'd have been suspicious of Megasif. I think he deserves some scrutiny for not voting, but it didn't save an eliminator, and I think Roadwalker is likely a villager based on his actions through the game. I'm going to rule both of them out as evil. 

I've thought Brightness good since D1, and don't think I have cause to re-evaluate that. 

I'd struggle to articulate it, but don't think Clanky is evil. I don't think Roadwalker's argument is convincing, and think most of the points are NAI at best. 

This leaves the following players as (in my mind) potential eliminators.

I'd like to hear more from all of them, particularly Dani and Sami. I can't recall anything from Araris this game (my apologies, Araris). I think Cloud warrants a lynch for his actions on cycle 0, calling for everyone to reveal their essence marks. That was never pursued, and I think is likely our best bet for catching an eliminator at this stage.

1. Lucky Duke (Cloudjumper) - handy with a barrel
4. Liz Allan (Sami) - terribly confused Marvel fanatic
9. An Innocent Man (A Joe in the Bush) - definitely harmless
10. Daniyah as Herself - first blackout game!
11. Aralis (Araris Valerian) - former head-thumper back from the dead

I have Nightblood. I'm going to die at the end of this cycle, unless anyone sends me Stormlight or Breath. I'd be hugely appreciate if players applying their new essence marks could include as an action giving Breath to me. 

I intend to use Nightblood to kill Joe tonight. I'm struggling to articulate it, but can't shake a feeling that he's evil. @A Joe in the Bush, I guess you have seven hours to convince me not to kill you.
 

[Sparkrunner he/him]

Blood and fire.

3 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

I have Nightblood. I'm going to die at the end of this cycle, unless anyone sends me Stormlight or Breath. I'd be hugely appreciate if players applying their new essence marks could include as an action giving Breath to me. 

Do I need something special to pass breath to you? Or can I just put it in as an action?

[Orlok Tsubodai]

8 minutes ago, Roadwalker said:

Blood and fire.

Do I need something special to pass breath to you? Or can I just put it in as an action?

Apparently you need to know the command, which I presume means being Nalthian. I'd try putting it in as an action after using the new Essence Mark. I really should have waited until the Day Cycle to unsheathe it, but oh well.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Killing me would actually be helpful to me, since I don't have the time to be active right now, and Ecthelion can't find a pinch hitter. It also wouldn't be a game ending move, since we've already gotten two eliminators. We can afford a mislynch.

Of course, you killing me alows me to say some things that I didn't want to say otherwise.

I Received the Eshonai Essence Mark from Strider. I can kill a player once per cycle, and it cannot be blocked by any known means, but if I am attacked by Odium, I will become an eliminator instead of dying. (I do not know if it applies to odium's allies as well. Ecthelion keeps PAFO'ing that.)

So that is how the Dctor role is balanced I suspect. Certain power roles are convertible by Odium. This also leads me to think that the elim team started with less than 5 players.

Joe out. 

[Orlok Tsubodai]

34 minutes ago, A Joe in the Bush said:

Killing me would actually be helpful to me, since I don't have the time to be active right now, and Ecthelion can't find a pinch hitter. It also wouldn't be a game ending move, since we've already gotten two eliminators. We can afford a mislynch.

Of course, you killing me alows me to say some things that I didn't want to say otherwise.

I Received the Eshonai Essence Mark from Strider. I can kill a player once per cycle, and it cannot be blocked by any known means, but if I am attacked by Odium, I will become an eliminator instead of dying. (I do not know if it applies to odium's allies as well. Ecthelion keeps PAFO'ing that.)

So that is how the Dctor role is balanced I suspect. Certain power roles are convertible by Odium. This also leads me to think that the elim team started with less than 5 players.

Joe out. 

Fascinating. Who have you killed with this role, then?

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Locke Tekiel turned once more to Skai's Remnant, and called for the recommencement of the trial.

"Esteemed Jurors, we have before us the most grave case. Our good friend, Mr, Red Facemask was murdered on this very world by the man standing before us. The evidence is clear, many of you watched the murder yourselves:

“You want one of us dead, do you?” Skai’s Remnant said. His voice turned cold. “Very well.” In the blink of an eye, he unsheathed his sword and slashed it straight through Mr. Red Facemask. Two thumps were heard as his lifeless body fell to the ground.

I'm not sure anyone here would argue that such action constitutes murder of the second degree. Skai's Remnant appears to have taken positive action to end the life in the Physical Realm of another individual, although we currently have no evidence for the murder being premeditated.

The interesting question before us, though is created by Mr, Red Facemask's fortuitous return to life. I would argue that this is entirely irrelevant to the murder. If a doctor breaks someone's arm, and then heals them, they should still be found guilty of assault. What they did afterward provides an interesting view on their character, which is certainly useful for sentencing, but is irrelevant to the crime."

@Ecthelion III

 

[Ecthelion III he/him]

"Hmm. Before I rebut, do you possess any physical evidence of the murder?"

[Megasif he/him]

1 hour ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

If Manukos had been evil, I'd have been suspicious of Megasif. I think he deserves some scrutiny for not voting, but it didn't save an eliminator, and I think Roadwalker is likely a villager based on his actions through the game. I'm going to rule both of them out as evil. 

I actually intended to come back on and make a vote (woyld've been most likely manukos) but rollover is 5am so I didn't make it.

 

1 hour ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

I have Nightblood. I'm going to die at the end of this cycle, unless anyone sends me Stormlight or Breath. I'd be hugely appreciate if players applying their new essence marks could include as an action giving Breath to me. 

Is it specified in PMs if someone has breath or stormlight? If it is then I don't have any atm.

 

I didn't realize we could vote at night. 

[Orlok Tsubodai]

5 minutes ago, Ecthelion III said:

"Hmm. Before I rebut, do you possess any physical evidence of the murder?"

"The sworn statements from fourteen witnesses, and the scar across my client aren't enough to convince you of the futility of a rebuttal? Plead guilty, my friend, and I'll advise the jury to show some clemency."

[Ecthelion III he/him]

"Well, if your client has a scar, it sure wasn't from me, seeing as that body was buried in Unkalaki and he has an entirely new body now. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it took more than circumstantial evidence to convict on a Murder Two charge. Eyewitnesses saw a hooded man stab someone, perhaps, but the 'victim' is not dead and 'hooded man' is hardly enough to recognize someone by."

[Orlok Tsubodai]

"Eyewitnesses saw you slice my client in half, and heard your voice speak afterwards. Fourteen individuals in agreement on that is far beyond eyewitness evidence. 

You yourself acknowledge that my clien't body is buried in Unkalaki, and go on to say that the eyewitnesses saw you stab "someone". Why contradict yourself, Remnant?

The fact that my client is now alive is a moot point. What is relevant is that he died at your hands. He was murdered. What happened after his murder doesn't impact the fact that my client was dead."

[Araris Valerian he/him]

@Orlok Tsubodai It's my bad that you don't recall anything about me, not yours. I've been struggling with a lot of RL stuff, so keeping up with this game has been hard for me. I have been sending in actions regularly, and I haven't given up on myself.

Also, I'm curious why you think Cloud asking for people to reveal essence marks is an elim move. That sort of post doesn't seem super helpful to them. Yeah, the information from people revealing could be helpful, but I doubt an elim team would use a ploy like that to try and get information. It puts one of their members out in the open too much.

[Ecthelion III he/him]

"Indeed, if the court had testimony like that, it would be quite decisive in this case. Let's hear the testimonies of these fourteen individuals! It shouldn't take too long...should it?"

Remnant looked at the sun. It was now dipping low beneath the mountains. "Oh dear, it looks like night is falling. Wouldn't it be a shame if the testimony went on for so long, we were...swept away by it. Tell me, can you try a person for something they might do in the future?"

[Orlok Tsubodai]

7 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

@Orlok Tsubodai It's my bad that you don't recall anything about me, not yours. I've been struggling with a lot of RL stuff, so keeping up with this game has been hard for me. I have been sending in actions regularly, and I haven't given up on myself.

Also, I'm curious why you think Cloud asking for people to reveal essence marks is an elim move. That sort of post doesn't seem super helpful to them. Yeah, the information from people revealing could be helpful, but I doubt an elim team would use a ploy like that to try and get information. It puts one of their members out in the open too much.

I hope RL gets easier for you, Araris.

I think that it may well have been an eliminator making a mistake. It is an obvious move for the eliminator team, but that doesn't preclude an eliminator from making said action. At the moment, I think it's the most suspicious action unaddressed in the game, and that it warrants attention.

3 minutes ago, Ecthelion III said:

"Indeed, if the court had testimony like that, it would be quite decisive in this case. Let's hear the testimonies of these fourteen individuals! It shouldn't take too long...should it?"

Remnant looked at the sun. It was now dipping low beneath the mountains. "Oh dear, it looks like night is falling. Wouldn't it be a shame if the testimony went on for so long, we were...swept away by it. Tell me, can you try a person for something they might do in the future?"

I strongly encourage the jury to ask amongst themselves, and encourage any of those fourteen remaining alive to speak up.

Time travel indeed poses issues with crime, but I'd suggest we consider that whilst those actions may be in the future generally (if I'm interpreting you correctly), they're in the past for you. You've already cut Mr, Red Facemask in two, and he died as a result of your historical action.

[Elenion he/him]

10 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

I strongly encourage the jury to ask amongst themselves, and encourage any of those fourteen remaining alive to speak up.

The Jury doc does contain the writings of players recollecting this event. Shall I read them as testimony?

[Orlok Tsubodai]

That would seem reasonable, yes.

[Ecthelion III he/him]

16 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Time travel indeed poses issues with crime, but I'd suggest we consider that whilst those actions may be in the future generally (if I'm interpreting you correctly), they're in the past for you. You've already cut Mr, Red Facemask in two, and he died as a result of your historical action.

"We all received new Essence Marks. You know what that means. And where we're going, the crime is in the future. Will tWhhe testimony of fourteen individuals be enough to convict someone of something that hasn't happened yet? That is for the jury to decide.

"While I'm at it, is it not against court procedure for a witness to participate on a jury?"

[Megasif he/him]

I won't be around for rollover so Clanky.

Mostly because of roadwalker's post. Not an attempt to buddy up to roadwalker btw.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Just now, Megasif said:

I won't be around for rollover so Clanky.

Mostly because of roadwalker's post. Not an attempt to buddy up to roadwalker btw.

It's a night cycle. I put Cloud in red to highlight my suspicion, because I won't be around during the Day Cycle.

 

[Megasif he/him]

Just now, Orlok Tsubodai said:

It's a night cycle. I put Cloud in red to highlight my suspicion, because I won't be around during the Day Cycle.

 

Ah ok. I did ask in a post above about votes. Oh well.

[Sparkrunner he/him]

@Ecthelion III Why should we not think about whitetext?