Comatose he/him Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 We don't know if every metal can be combined with every metal. What I was wondering is if they are always paired opposites, one feruchemical, and one allomantic. Iron and Steel, like Wex (or Steel and Iron, like I'd want to be ). Pewter and Tin, Brass and Zinc, etc. In the chapter, it says he knows the names of all possible, which led me to believe not all combinations are. This is just speculation of course, so we'll need more information before this can be proved right or wrong.
mycoltbug Posted June 16, 2011 Author Posted June 16, 2011 I wonder if your ability to combine the different metals is more closely related to your spiritual dna than limitations to the combined metals.
ZeldaDad he/him Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 I agree that it is probably Vin. This was my initial thought and it has now been reinforced by multiple smart people. I amend this statement to say that I can easily see either Elend or Spook being viewed as "Ascendant" do to the fact that they were both "boosted" in their Allomantic abilities.
Chaos he/him Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 EDIT- Also, I've got a Realmantic Question for all of you- why doesn't Wax's Steelpush "bubble" affect the stuff he's holding? Technically, the prose said he pushed on objects around himself, so he could very easily just not push on the metals that he's holding, but ones further away. Dang it, I came on here hoping I'd be the first to put forward the Tan is using Atium theory. I'm not as clever as I thought I was. Okay, but how about this theory? Tan is a Hemalurgist, and the bullet that killed Lessie is imbedded in his skin, making him more powerful. And he faked his death. Because he's done enough hemalurgy to survive gunshots to the head. Maybe? Also, I'm sure the face that Wax is the 16th of his line has no significance at all. Nope. Edit: @Silus: shouldn't that be all 256 of them? 16 metals, right? How would Tan get atium? Silus could've been not including aluminum and duralumin, because they are gnats. But dual duralumin could be useful. We don't know if every metal can be combined with every metal. What I was wondering is if they are always paired opposites, one feruchemical, and one allomantic. Iron and Steel, like Wex (or Steel and Iron, like I'd want to be ). Pewter and Tin, Brass and Zinc, etc. In the chapter, it says he knows the names of all possible, which led me to believe not all combinations are. This is just speculation of course, so we'll need more information before this can be proved right or wrong. *Wax Yeah, I don't know if the Feruchemical and Allomantic aspects have to be paired. Twinborn rarity is probably due to the genetics. They'd be so astronomically rare otherwise. If they had to be pairs, then could we never have dual of a particular metal?
Silus - Shard of Flame he/him Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Yes, 256, I did the math wrong in my head. Just because Aluminum and Duralumin are pretty useless doesn't mean they won't be part of the possible Twinborn combinations. And I really doubt that the Twinborn's metals have to be paired somehow, that would be severely limiting of what kind of Twinborn can exist. How else could he know just how to move Lessie's head before he pulled the trigger, because he would have to in order to beat a bullet.
Thucydides he/him Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) I don't know, the Ascendant Warrior could be Vin, but since she does die, and she was never spotlighted much while alive, and nobody really saw her awesome fight right at the end, I don't think she would be remembered well enough for that. It has been a long time, I wouldn't be surprised if memories of Harmony's Ascension differ more than a little from the actual facts of the event. Someone mentioned in the comments at Tor that they thought the Ascendant Warrior was Spook, I haven't read Mistborn in a while, but that strikes me as a slightly more likely option. Edited June 16, 2011 by Thucydides
luminos Posted June 17, 2011 Posted June 17, 2011 How else could he know just how to move Lessie's head before he pulled the trigger, because he would have to in order to beat a bullet. Yeah, this was pretty much how I was thinking. The reaction was just too perfect, as if he had anticipated exactly where the bullet would go, and exactly when it would be fired.
Emeralis00 she/her Posted June 17, 2011 Posted June 17, 2011 Yeah, this was pretty much how I was thinking. The reaction was just too perfect, as if he had anticipated exactly where the bullet would go, and exactly when it would be fired. Or maybe he is a zinc feruchemical misting (What are they called anyway) and pewter misting. Using his fast thoughts and quick reactions to obtain results similar to atium. 1
FellKnight he/him Posted June 17, 2011 Posted June 17, 2011 Or maybe he is a zinc feruchemical misting (What are they called anyway) and pewter misting. Using his fast thoughts and quick reactions to obtain results similar to atium. It's so exciting to try to figure out all the possibilities for how Feruchemy and Allomancy will work together I'm getting the twitch for part 2 of the book to be pre-released! Fell
Comatose he/him Posted June 18, 2011 Posted June 18, 2011 Two hundred and fifty six types of twinborn seems a little bulky to me though. There are already sixteen types of each. This is just speculation of course, but I do think there has to be SOME sort of pairing restriction. Perhaps it just has to be a pulling metal and a pulling metal. When I originally heard of Twinborn, I thought they would all be double of one sort of metal (I really like the possibility of an Iron twinborn who, while filling wieght, could pull him/herself up to something super light, or a double zinc... mental speed and rioting? That would be frightening I think). Since Wax proved this to be untrue (thanks for the spelling chaos ) I still think there needs to be some sort of pattern. Wayne claimed to have memorized the names of all of the different possible combinations of Twinborn. Of course, Wayne also claihonestly didn’t pay attention med to have once stolen a horse that belched in perfect musical notes, so one learned to take what he said with a pinch of copper. Wax to all of the definitions and names for Twinborn; he was called a Crasher, the mix of a Coinshot and a Skimmer. He rarely bothered to think of himself that way. Looking at it again however, it seems this friend of Wax's memorization of all the different names is seen as an accomplishment, which might support there being 256, but it still says which combinations are possible which still makes me think not all are...
Silus - Shard of Flame he/him Posted June 18, 2011 Posted June 18, 2011 I don't see why there should be a restriction on it, I think 256 combinations would be awesome!
Ryan he/him Posted July 3, 2011 Posted July 3, 2011 Four altars? why four? Let's see. One to Kelsier—seems silly to leave him out. Probably one to Vin, since she was so important to the original Survivorists. Probably one to Spook, who attained prophetlike status in book three. The fourth...I can't think of any one single person that fits. Or maybe they aren't to anyone, and are just part of some ceremony we haven't been shown yet. Is this Preservation mist or regular mist? It's pretty clearly Preservation mist. It's not tied to humidity, and Wax's use of allomancy excites it. Millions. How many lived in Luthadel? About a million, if memory serves. I wanted to say how cool this whole thing is. I've never seen this done before, where by "this", I mean that an author takes the conditions of a world-reshaping conclusion to a series, extrapolates them out a couple hundred years, and then writes about it. I am a little sad that Mistborns no longer exist, though. Interesting that Koloss are still around. I wonder if they are still using the same spikes from the Lord Ruler's time, or if they figured out how to make their own, or if there are still hemalurgists in the world who are making them.
Eri she/her Posted July 3, 2011 Posted July 3, 2011 I think the last one is for Saze, worshiped by them as the Hero, as ch2 seems to suggest. (Yes, he's probably also worshiped by the Path, I wonder if the people know that actually the Hero is the same person as Harmony...)
Morderkaine he/him Posted July 3, 2011 Posted July 3, 2011 Interesting that Koloss are still around. I wonder if they are still using the same spikes from the Lord Ruler's time, or if they figured out how to make their own, or if there are still hemalurgists in the world who are making them. When Sazed ascended he changed the Koloss so that they bread true. No spikes required.
Zas678 he/him Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 I am a little sad that Mistborns no longer exist, though. At least Brandon plans on having a Mistborn in his second trilogy. True, it is a homicidal mistborn, but he's still a mistborn.
Silus - Shard of Flame he/him Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 Well, that was one idea, but it could, and quite possibly will, change when he knows what he's going to do with that second trilogy.
Zayde he/him Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 Dang it, I came on here hoping I'd be the first to put forward the Tan is using Atium theory. I'm not as clever as I thought I was. Okay, but how about this theory? Tan is a Hemalurgist, and the bullet that killed Lessie is imbedded in his skin, making him more powerful. And he faked his death. Because he's done enough hemalurgy to survive gunshots to the head. Maybe? Or maybe he was burning electrum?
Zas678 he/him Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 I don't know if Tan is a hemalurgist. But I do think that the Vanishers are. Or are planning on it. That's why they are kidnapping people. Not for ransom, not for hostage purposes, but for their SOULS!!! (hehe. Souls, spiritual DNA, what's really the difference?) Thus the aluminum bullets. They're to kill the allomantic women if they try to escape. And you know what? I wouldn't be suprised if one of them was a Cadmium Chromium (is that the aluminum equivalent?) burner. I wonder if they know about Cadmium Chromium. Do they realize that Sazed meant two seperate metals, instead of a metal and its alloy? I'd assume so, since Brandon has let us know about it. But who knows? EDIT- See below
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