Storming Radiant he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) So, I've seen a lot of theories here about Eshonai becoming a KR, and it got me thinking if that's even possible. On my most recent reread of WoR, I saw that Syl tells Kaladin that Parshendi can't become surgebinders (chapter 44). So how do all you theorists explain this part? I would normally think that surgebinding is pretty important to be a KR. Could She perhaps be wrong about this/misleading Kaladin? Edited July 7, 2017 by Storming Radiant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent34 Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Syl doesn't know everything. Brandon has said that, historically, there haven't been any listener Radiants but hasn't said anything against it being possible. At least as far as I know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) Historically, there have never been Parshendi Radiants. However, I found this WoB (paraphrased): Quote OUTIS Is Eshonai going to be a Radiant? BRANDON SANDERSON In the past, parshmen/Parshendi were not allowed to become Knights Radiant. However, what I said might imply that that could change. But no promises. So Syl says what she thinks is true, but she doesnt really have all the facts. Edited July 7, 2017 by Toaster Retribution Fixed a quote 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manukos he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Perssonaly I realy want relaiin to be a radiat There is also speculation that like how the second bondsmith will have to be bonded to the nightwatcher the third would have to be bonded to a high voidspren , perhaps an unmade . My guess would be moelach ,but it is only speculation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storming Radiant he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Manukos said: Perssonaly I realy want relaiin to be a radiat I agree. I never really liked Eshonai. 1 hour ago, Manukos said: There is also speculation that like how the second bondsmith will have to be bonded to the nightwatcher the third would have to be bonded to a high voidspren , perhaps an unmade . My guess would be moelach ,but it is only speculation That's a very nice theory. Is it based on the speculation that the "one of them is a traitor" epigraph referrs to the Unmade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 My theory is that listeners can't become Radiants, but that they CAN bond Honor-spren, in the same way they bond voidspren. The voidspren-bonded Parshendi are voidbringers: the honor-spren bonded Parshendi would be the Dawnsingers. At the same time, voidbinders would be those people that had a KR-like bond with a voidspren. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 @Storming Radiant Here is the theory. Funny that you dont like Eshonai, because she is pretty involved in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jame Starmade Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 So I was reading through WoR and I noticed that in one of Eshonai's interludes she mentions a "comet like Soren that seems to be following her around. This is after she has transformed to storm form but she gets really annoyed with it. Could this be the start of a bond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikerEZ he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Jame Starmade said: So I was reading through WoR and I noticed that in one of Eshonai's interludes she mentions a "comet like Soren that seems to be following her around. This is after she has transformed to storm form but she gets really annoyed with it. Could this be the start of a bond? There's a WoB floating around (@Extesian @The One Who Connects @Calderis any help? ) which says that the comet-like spren is important to an order of the KR. We don't know which one, and just because it's floating around her doesn't mean she's becoming a Radiant. Though I do think it's likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: There's a WoB floating around (@Extesian @The One Who Connects @Calderis any help? ) which says that the comet-like spren is important to an order of the KR. We don't know which one, and just because it's floating around her doesn't mean she's becoming a Radiant. Though I do think it's likely. Here you go, lazy http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1108#8 Quote SIR JERRIC Do we see the highspren at all in Words of Radiance? And if so, do they look like a comet? BRANDON SANDERSON That's a good question. That's a gooood, good question. I will say this, the comet, hmm, the comet spren. The comet spren is very important to an order of Knights Radiant. TAGS highspren , comet spren Edit: there's absolutely no way I would have found that so quick if I hadn't searched for it yesterday. Edited July 7, 2017 by Calderis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikerEZ he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Calderis said: Here you go, lazy http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1108#8 Thanks! And, on an off-topic note, how do you guys find the WoBs so fast? Like, at this point, I'm starting to remember them, but I have no idea how to search for them and find them so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, StrikerEZ said: Thanks! And, on an off-topic note, how do you guys find the WoBs so fast? Like, at this point, I'm starting to remember them, but I have no idea how to search for them and find them so quickly. I don't know how everyone else does it, but for specific ones it's all about remembering keywords for me. Searching for "comet" brings up two results on theoryland, one for WoT, and this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikerEZ he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Calderis said: I don't know how everyone else does it, but for specific ones it's all about remembering keywords for me. Searching for "comet" brings up two results on theoryland, one for WoT, and this one. Yeah, that definitely makes sense. I'll just have to start saving important WoBs that are brought up a lot, so I don't have to go searching for them or call one of you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciridae Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 I am convinced that we'll see a parshendi radiant, Brandon likes to set strict rules and then break them in a spectacular way. The only question is how they will work. Rlain as part of bridge four sets him up nicely for at least a squire phase, I would be very surprised if he didn't become a squire. And I think one of the parshendi songs talks about how the surges could be theirs in the end. The above WoB about the comet spren being important to an order makes it more likely still. I agree with the theory that Eshonai will be our Willshaper. But it may be that parshendi really can't be radiants as we understand them. I could see the nahel spren bonding with the parshendi in the same way that we've seen minor spren bond with them, that they are absorbed in a highstorm and then live inside the parshendi. This could be really interesting, as we might see things like honor, ink or cultivation form. In this case the spren might talk inside the parshendi's head, like Syl does as a weapon. But if the spren lives inside the parshendi I highly doubt that they could summon their spren as a shardblade. The other option I see is that the spren acts like other bonded nahel spren and floats around, but because parshendi minds are closer to the CR the spren might behave like other nahel spren just after the transition into the physical realm, i. e. a little slow, only permanently. The slowness of mind may manifest in either case, which could mean that the radiant has to work more to figure out the oaths. Either way, I think that exploring how the bonding and oath development for a parshendi looks like is too interesting of a scenario for Brandon not to write about. Not to mention the character dynamics and reactions to one of the voidbringers becoming one of the good guys mid desolation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknopathetic he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) Surely if the Unmade were even a little conscious they'd realize that if Odium wins then Odium will likely have no more need for the unmade. I am hoping the most aware of the Unmade is the traitor looking to extend its own existence. Then that unmade bonds with someone giving us the third bond smith. It is also possible that nigh blood could create a 4th bond smith? Being that he is very invested and is a part of another magic system? But that is just a guess. Edited July 7, 2017 by teknopathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 22 hours ago, teknopathetic said: traitor looking to extend its own existence. Then that unmade bonds with someone giving us the third bond smith. Biggest problem with the "Unmade betrays and makes 3rd Bondsmith" theory is that there were 3 Bondsmiths before. If there were always 3, then it's not a betrayal at all, but part of the natural order. And that just doesn't sit right with me. In my opinion(so no wob proof), that doesn't feel right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiapet Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 I think I remember another WoB in which Sanderson said that someone in-universe would tell you a Parshendi could not be a Radiant. Can't find the exact quote, but that seems to me to be setting up an exception pretty strongly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 Just now, kiapet said: I think I remember another WoB in which Sanderson said that someone in-universe would tell you a Parshendi could not be a Radiant. Can't find the exact quote, but that seems to me to be setting up an exception pretty strongly. Here. Quote Question Is it possible for a Parshendi to become a Knight Radiant? Brandon Sanderson In the past, no. Let's say this, in-world everybody would tell you no. Here's the rest of them for discussion value. Quote Question How about the other way around? Can a Parshendi bond a KR spren? Brandon Sanderson Historically, the Parshendi were not made Knights Radiant, or the parshmen weren't. Question Can they become squires maybe? Brandon Sanderson Historically they did not, but it's not impossible. Quote Outis Is Eshonai going to be a Radiant? Brandon Sanderson In the past, parshmen/Parshendi were not allowed to become Knights Radiant. However, what I said might imply that that could change. But no promises. Quote Outis Unknown question. Brandon Sanderson Eshonai indeed gets a flashback sequence. Now, Parshendi were not allowed to be surgebinders in previous eras. I'll just mention that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamstick Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 If the comet-like spren is radiant-related, why does Eshonai consider it like her own voice? And has Eshonai spoken the first ideal? Quote “That rhythm! It sounded like . . . like her own voice yelling at her. Screaming in pain. What was that? She shook her head, and found that she had reflexively pulled her hand to her chest in anxiety. When she opened it, the cometlike spren shot out.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiapet Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 Eshonai hears her own voice screaming quite often after she changes. The spren may not have created the voice so much as amplified it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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