Calderis he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 13 minutes ago, kari-no-sugata said: I'm signed up for this too Me as well. Considering what it seems like will be needed to actually revive the blade, I imagine it won't happen until he has significant interaction with an Edgedancer advanced enough to have a blade. This most likely is Lift, but at some point could be another. I think it would have to happen that way though. If Wyndel were to recognize the blade as one of his own, and recognize that Adolin is edgedancer material, he could learn the Oaths from Lift/Wyndel. I can't imagine blade revival being possible accidentally, so until Adolin meets an Edgedancer, I'll be holding my breath.
Guest Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Megasif said: I am totally down with this. There could be this arc with Adolin dealing with his status as 'normal' and comes to terms with it and accepts it. Then he can go on to become a radiant. It will appease both factions of Adolin. Becoming a Radiant would be so much more satisfying if it happens after Adolin has found an uneasy peace with his reduced status. Someone said the lows into Oathbringer would be devastating: I did wonder if one of them would be Adolin. I am dying to know. 43 minutes ago, Calderis said: Me as well. Considering what it seems like will be needed to actually revive the blade, I imagine it won't happen until he has significant interaction with an Edgedancer advanced enough to have a blade. This most likely is Lift, but at some point could be another. I think it would have to happen that way though. If Wyndel were to recognize the blade as one of his own, and recognize that Adolin is edgedancer material, he could learn the Oaths from Lift/Wyndel. I can't imagine blade revival being possible accidentally, so until Adolin meets an Edgedancer, I'll be holding my breath. I am unsure about the possibility of Lift encountering Adolin, though I have given it some thoughts. I have somehow always thought the Blade revival story would happen unexpectedly. In shorts, Adolin wouldn't be doing it on purpose nor would anyone encourage him to do it on purpose: they all think it is impossible, so while it won't be an "accident", it probably won't be "planned". Edited June 28, 2017 by maxal
Calderis he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 14 minutes ago, maxal said: Becoming a Radiant would be so much more satisfying if it happens after Adolin has found an uneasy peace with his reduced status. Someone said the lows into Oathbringer would be devastating: I did wonder if one of them would be Adolin. I am dying to know. I am unsure about the possibility of Lift encountering Adolin, though I have given it some thoughts. I have somehow always thought the Blade revival story would happen unexpectedly. In shorts, Adolin wouldn't be doing it on purpose nor would anyone encourage him to do it on purpose: they all think it is impossible, so while it won't be an "accident", it probably won't be "planned". The only reason I disagree, and again this is based of my speculation of reviving the blade from the extremely limited information we have, is that living the Oaths is not enough in itself. He has to speak them, and mean them as an actual oath. It's possible for that to happen, and I suppose that in trying to decide how he is going to lead House Kholin he may actually speak some approximation of the Oaths... Hmmm. I could see that. His views, in contrast to the typical Alethi way. That would be quite effective actually. Deciding and saying that he will not let the fallen be forgotten, and he will listen to the needs of all, not just the influential lighteyes... I take it back. I don't think he'll need an Edgedancer. 2
Weltall Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 Count me in for the 'Adolin revives his Blade' crowd. We obviously don't know how you'd actually do such a thing but the way he treats his blade feels like he's being slowly set up in that direction, we know it originally belonged to an Edgedancer and we know one of their Ideals is all about remembering the forgotten. Seems a reasonable assumption that if it's going to happen, Adolin has the mindset for it and for the relevant Order. On 6/25/2017 at 6:56 AM, WhiteLeeopard said: Warbreaker warning Reveal hidden contents Viviana will appear Was this from a WoB I missed or hopeful speculation? Because I'd love for it to be confirmed but the only one I know about wasn't that specific Specifically, he was asked about Vivenna's fate and told we'd find out soon, which probably means Oathbringer but doesn't require her to actually appear; Vasher or Nightblood could mention her for example.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 22 minutes ago, Weltall said: Was this from a WoB I missed or hopeful speculation? There were 2 entries of note from the Warsaw/Krakow signings Spoiler Quote 2.22 Q: So did Vivienna become a worldhopper? A: Keep your eyes open, you might see some more Vivenna in the near future. source. First spoiler tag of the post. Quote Q: What happened to Vivienna? A: She's looking for Vasher. Keep your eyes wide open when reading Oathbringer. source. 1
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 You know, I actually really like the idea that Adolin could end up becoming an Edgedancer and reviving his blade. I'm not sure how likely it is to happen, especially considering Adolin wasn't even meant to be a major character this far into the series (funny how that turned out, everyone speculates on what will happen to Adolin the most lol). Of course, I'd absolutely love to see him revive his blade, but I'm not sure how likely it is.
Calderis he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: You know, I actually really like the idea that Adolin could end up becoming an Edgedancer and reviving his blade. I'm not sure how likely it is to happen, especially considering Adolin wasn't even meant to be a major character this far into the series (funny how that turned out, everyone speculates on what will happen to Adolin the most lol). Of course, I'd absolutely love to see him revive his blade, but I'm not sure how likely it is. Considering the nature Radiants in a desolation, and that we've already seen multiple Truthwatchers, I don't think Radiant automatically means "major character"
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, Calderis said: Considering the nature Radiants in a desolation, and that we've already seen multiple Truthwatchers, I don't think Radiant automatically means "major character" True, I just meant Brandon never really planned Adolin to be all that important. Of course, as he's seen with the fans, he's probably changed his stance on that since WoR. Trust me, I'm all for Adolin's blade being revived.
Megasif he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Author Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Calderis said: Considering the nature Radiants in a desolation, and that we've already seen multiple Truthwatchers, I don't think Radiant automatically means "major character" Wait a minute. Multiple truthwatchers? I seem to be missing out on something. Renarin is the only one that I know of. Edited June 28, 2017 by Megasif
Calderis he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Megasif said: Wait a minute. Multiple truthwatchers? I seem to be missing out on something. Renarin is the only one that I know of. Ym, the cobbler that Nale killed was a Truthwatcher Edgedancer spoiler Spoiler As is Stump.
Megasif he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Author Posted June 28, 2017 Just now, Calderis said: Ym, the cobbler that Nale killed was a Truthwatcher Edgedancer spoiler Hide contents As is Stump. Ah right. I never knew what order the cobbler was and for the stump I just assumed she was an edgedancer as well because of the healing. And If it's true about the Warbreaker bit, then I'm assuming that going forward we'll be seeing many more characters appear on Roshar from the other cosmere worlds. Personally, I'd like to see Shae make an appearance to some degree.
Watchcry he/him Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 From the beta article posted on Tor it sounds like there will be quite a bit of Kaladin, Adolin, and Bridge Four.
Guest Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 5 hours ago, Calderis said: The only reason I disagree, and again this is based of my speculation of reviving the blade from the extremely limited information we have, is that living the Oaths is not enough in itself. He has to speak them, and mean them as an actual oath. It's possible for that to happen, and I suppose that in trying to decide how he is going to lead House Kholin he may actually speak some approximation of the Oaths... Hmmm. I could see that. His views, in contrast to the typical Alethi way. That would be quite effective actually. Deciding and saying that he will not let the fallen be forgotten, and he will listen to the needs of all, not just the influential lighteyes... I take it back. I don't think he'll need an Edgedancer. Well, while we know it would be possible for Adolin to revive his Blade, the mechanism by which it can happen is still unknown. So it is either Adolin plans it with the help of others or he inadvertently triggers it. Of course, he would need to speak the oath, but he may do so without having any intend. I could see Adolin trying to live by the Radiants values while knowing he isn't one of them, I could see him trying to uphold their ideals. It thus wouldn't be far-fetched to think, in moments of decisive despair he would say oaths to his Blade, not because he means to revive it, but because he just has no one else to talk to, just to give him the strength he is struggling to maintain. I however do not think Adolin will lead house Kholin. I do not think this is where his path will take him. I think Renarin will lead house Kholin: I think Brandon has always meant it this way. Adolin originally died, now he will be removed from the line of inheritance thus making Renarin the heir. This being said, Adolin might not be planned, but he might be the king they need, even if I strongly dislike this path for him, he might just be the best candidate. 3 hours ago, StrikerEZ said: You know, I actually really like the idea that Adolin could end up becoming an Edgedancer and reviving his blade. I'm not sure how likely it is to happen, especially considering Adolin wasn't even meant to be a major character this far into the series (funny how that turned out, everyone speculates on what will happen to Adolin the most lol). Of course, I'd absolutely love to see him revive his blade, but I'm not sure how likely it is. Brandon spoke of Adolin in one of his FAQ Friday. Yes, the character has never been planned to even have viewpoints, much less as much character development as he is getting, but he grew nonetheless. True enough, when he first wrote the outlay of SA, Brandon surely did not plan for Adolin to become a Radiant, but the character took different decisions, he become something more than he was meant to be. I see no reason why he cannot revive his Blade. If Brandon feels it is the best story for his character, then he will write it. If not, then he has something else in mind. 2 hours ago, ANRILU said: From the beta article posted on Tor it sounds like there will be quite a bit of Kaladin, Adolin, and Bridge Four. I saw that too... I wondered if I was the only one who read way too much into this one sentence because quite frankly what came to mind was Adolin running away with Kaladin on his toes and Bridge 4 tagging along. Just the hilarity of such scenes, the interactions in between characters: oh my, it absolutely has to happen. Imagine, Adolin goes into an adventure with Kaladin. Come on, who thinks this isn't interesting???
Watchcry he/him Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 That'd be cool but I definitely feel he's going to have a lot to deal with back in Urithiru
Tesh Any pronouns Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) You said that very well. I wonder if there will be Lift flashbacks in books to come. Oh, and I have a friend who thinks Adolin will join the Ghostbloods. Edited June 29, 2017 by Tesh Kholin
asterion137 he/him Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 We will definitely see some Lift, probably trying to help Gawx keep his country together. We'll most likely see Nalan meet up with at least Ishar and probably some more Heralds, maybe even Taln. I could definitely see Adolin going to check in on Kholinar and Bridge 4 tagging along supposedly guarding Adolin but really just going along to find Kaladin. 1
Megasif he/him Posted June 29, 2017 Author Posted June 29, 2017 6 hours ago, maxal said: Well, while we know it would be possible for Adolin to revive his Blade, the mechanism by which it can happen is still unknown. So it is either Adolin plans it with the help of others or he inadvertently triggers it. Of course, he would need to speak the oath, but he may do so without having any intend. I could see Adolin trying to live by the Radiants values while knowing he isn't one of them, I could see him trying to uphold their ideals. It thus wouldn't be far-fetched to think, in moments of decisive despair he would say oaths to his Blade, not because he means to revive it, but because he just has no one else to talk to, just to give him the strength he is struggling to maintain. I however do not think Adolin will lead house Kholin. I do not think this is where his path will take him. I think Renarin will lead house Kholin: I think Brandon has always meant it this way. Adolin originally died, now he will be removed from the line of inheritance thus making Renarin the heir. This being said, Adolin might not be planned, but he might be the king they need, even if I strongly dislike this path for him, he might just be the best candidate. Brandon spoke of Adolin in one of his FAQ Friday. Yes, the character has never been planned to even have viewpoints, much less as much character development as he is getting, but he grew nonetheless. True enough, when he first wrote the outlay of SA, Brandon surely did not plan for Adolin to become a Radiant, but the character took different decisions, he become something more than he was meant to be. I see no reason why he cannot revive his Blade. If Brandon feels it is the best story for his character, then he will write it. If not, then he has something else in mind. I just had this thought. Stormfather is reluctant in letting most of the spren go to the humans to bond because of what happened in the past i.e. the recreance, which killed his children. What if, Adolin reviving his blade, is a first step of sorts. Once the first revival happens and they (Dalinar and co.) figure out the proper system of reviving dead spren, we proceed to step 2. A mass revival of all the shardblades currently on Roshar. (Requisite fulfilment of all the conditions/Oaths etc. Whatever the 'key' is) Of course, I wouldn't expect anything like that to happen now but eventually. Maybe in the second half. It would convince the stormfather to agree to letting more spren bond. Now not all spren are from stormfather but we know the honorspren are. There might be a few more types as well. Even if it does not involve Stormfather, it would still be a valuable asset to KR as they will get an increase in number. Which they will most definitely need. 3 hours ago, asterion137 said: We will definitely see some Lift, probably trying to help Gawx keep his country together. We'll most likely see Nalan meet up with at least Ishar and probably some more Heralds, maybe even Taln. I could definitely see Adolin going to check in on Kholinar and Bridge 4 tagging along supposedly guarding Adolin but really just going along to find Kaladin. I am so looking forward to Lift just tearing people up with her jokes, Radiant and non-radiant alike. On this note, I am also guessing that Azir/Gawx will be one of the first to Ally themselves with Dalinar. And could also be the first to have the Oathgate opened. Karbranth, Jah keved are under Mr.T. Shinovar and Aimia are unlikely to join up yet due to what we know of them so far. Too little info on the rest. This leaves Azir. In edgedancer, they initially doubted Dalinar's warning. Now, however, things will be different as he will be proved correct. I can see Azir/Gawx/Lift soon becoming an ally to Dalinar.
kari-no-sugata Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Megasif said: I am so looking forward to Lift just tearing people up with her jokes, Radiant and non-radiant alike. On this note, I am also guessing that Azir/Gawx will be one of the first to Ally themselves with Dalinar. And could also be the first to have the Oathgate opened. Karbranth, Jah keved are under Mr.T. Shinovar and Aimia are unlikely to join up yet due to what we know of them so far. Too little info on the rest. This leaves Azir. In edgedancer, they initially doubted Dalinar's warning. Now, however, things will be different as he will be proved correct. I can see Azir/Gawx/Lift soon becoming an ally to Dalinar. I definitely expect to see some travel between Urithiru and some other locations, though it'll probably have to wait until they can get a reasonable supply of Stormlight first, even if everything else was ready. But I think the "everything else" will be the blocker - which leaders would want to allow it and what portals can be used in practice. It's likely that some of the Oathgates are either unusable or require some work to restore them to functionality. Either way, the world's about to become a smaller place. Azir does seem likely, since they already have their own resident Radiant. Just need to fill out lots of paperwork! I really want to see how Shallan and Lift interact... I dunno if Karbranth has an Oathgate. Each of the Silver Kingdoms had one but we don't know the capitals. It might be that what's now Thaylen City has the Oathgate. Merchants = trade, so either option would be interesting. Jah Keved is an interesting possibility. I wonder what stance Taravangian will take. 1
Guest Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 7 hours ago, Tesh Kholin said: You said that very well. I wonder if there will be Lift flashbacks in books to come. Oh, and I have a friend who thinks Adolin will join the Ghostbloods. The Ghostbloods? What is your friend's rational for it? I honestly do not see it... Adolin isn't a secretive individual, he would never join a secret society of dubious goals, especially not one guilty of trying to kill his cousin. This just doesn't fit with his character. 6 hours ago, asterion137 said: We will definitely see some Lift, probably trying to help Gawx keep his country together. We'll most likely see Nalan meet up with at least Ishar and probably some more Heralds, maybe even Taln. I could definitely see Adolin going to check in on Kholinar and Bridge 4 tagging along supposedly guarding Adolin but really just going along to find Kaladin. I somehow had more Adolin taking away but with Bridge 4 tagging along as their duty is to "protect him". Once Kaladin catches back to them, he goes into a row with Adolin who insists he ought not to protect him as he isn't Dalinar's son anymore or something along those lines. Would be quite hilarious to have Adolin actually trying to enforce lonely exile onto himself only to not manage to get away without his guards knowing. I have no idea what they may lead to, but I thought it made nice snippets. All in all, it'd be great if Bridge 4 were to tag along not just to find Kaladin, but because they actually care about Adolin. For once, it'd be great to read someone take actions on his behalf. 3 hours ago, Megasif said: I just had this thought. Stormfather is reluctant in letting most of the spren go to the humans to bond because of what happened in the past i.e. the recreance, which killed his children. What if, Adolin reviving his blade, is a first step of sorts. Once the first revival happens and they (Dalinar and co.) figure out the proper system of reviving dead spren, we proceed to step 2. A mass revival of all the shardblades currently on Roshar. (Requisite fulfilment of all the conditions/Oaths etc. Whatever the 'key' is) Of course, I wouldn't expect anything like that to happen now but eventually. Maybe in the second half. It would convince the stormfather to agree to letting more spren bond. Now not all spren are from stormfather but we know the honorspren are. There might be a few more types as well. Even if it does not involve Stormfather, it would still be a valuable asset to KR as they will get an increase in number. Which they will most definitely need. I honestly doubt we are going to see massive Blade revival as I do not think there is a "procedure". If there were, the sprens would have find it. My thoughts are it will work because of who Adolin is, one blind folded shot into the bull's eye, not because he did the right "procedure". A lot of people treat reviving a dead-Blade as if there was a mechanism to be put in place, stuff like a hemalurgic spike and all, but my thoughts are while "something more" would need to happen, it couldn't happen for all Blades. Brandon did say, in most cases, it would be impossible to revive the Blades. Thus it is either this particular Blade has this capacity and/or Adolin just happens to be the right person for it. It may be he is one of the descendant of the former bearer of this Blade or there is something about him which is reminiscent of its former knight. He would be taking over the bond from someone else. Brandon once said it was possible to pass down a Nahel bond to someone else: this may be it. It is hard to figure, really, but I am personally not supporting any theory which involve all dead-Blades being revived nor the complicated ones implying some sort of hocus pokus magic with the cognitive realm. I think, if it happens, it will happen because of Adolin, not because of some twist within the magic system. He will be able top grab onto this bond, to have it being passed from its dead knight onto himself and the spren will accept him. 27 minutes ago, kari-no-sugata said: I definitely expect to see some travel between Urithiru and some other locations, though it'll probably have to wait until they can get a reasonable supply of Stormlight first, even if everything else was ready. But I think the "everything else" will be the blocker - which leaders would want to allow it and what portals can be used in practice. It's likely that some of the Oathgates are either unusable or require some work to restore them to functionality. Words I have is travel are happening in Oathbringer, so I definitely expect it.
kari-no-sugata Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Adolin (or anyone) reviving a Shardblade is a tricky one. Something can be nearly impossible to do by accident and never done before (in-world) but written in a believable way. If done badly it can feel like an chull-pull. The next question, is what happens next. If the reasons for the success (and lack of previous success) are explained well then it should be possible to predict what might happen now that it's confirmed to be possible. My general feeling is that even when people know that it's possible and have a reasonable idea of what to do it will still be very hard to replicate. Maybe even by the 2nd half of the series there'll only be a few more examples. We shall see. Part of me feels sad about that since all those spren would still be trapped in pain. 1
Guest Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) 43 minutes ago, kari-no-sugata said: Adolin (or anyone) reviving a Shardblade is a tricky one. Something can be nearly impossible to do by accident and never done before (in-world) but written in a believable way. If done badly it can feel like an chull-pull. The next question, is what happens next. If the reasons for the success (and lack of previous success) are explained well then it should be possible to predict what might happen now that it's confirmed to be possible. My general feeling is that even when people know that it's possible and have a reasonable idea of what to do it will still be very hard to replicate. Maybe even by the 2nd half of the series there'll only be a few more examples. We shall see. Part of me feels sad about that since all those spren would still be trapped in pain. I agree making something nearly impossible, possible in ways which are hard to replicate, but plausible which does not give the readers the impression the shark was jumped is extraordinarily tricky. I wouldn't trust many authors to pull it right especially since all readers will have their opinions on what is plausible and what isn't. For my part, if Adolin starts to team up with other Radiants to perform the equivalent to a surgical operation to this Blade, my suspense of disbelief will be held. I find it implausible anyone would attempt such a feat they all think is impossible. Why would Adolin even decide to purposefully revive his Blade? For him to do so would be completely out of character, I honestly would never buy off such a plot device. If Adolin suddenly stumbles onto the right people to revive his Blade for him, then my suspense of disbelief will be held as well and yes, this include Zahel. "Oh BTW kid, I can bring your dead-Blade back to life. I will awake it" definitely isn't a story arc I find plausible either. It demands too many chance encounter with outside of SA characters which would also break Brandon's rule of wanting all universes to be tied, but also independent in terms of stories. If Adolin implausibly put a hemarlurgic spike through his Blade: I will laugh out loud, roll my eyes and be completely discouraged. He has no idea what there are, they are outside of Roshar magic, really an author can't bring in a foreign magical item to perform a nearly impossible feat and say to his readers: "This is how it is done.". Huh. No. I however have a great level of faith Brandon will not go with any of those options. Fans are the ones always trying to mix the magic systems, not the author. The author understands they ought to be independent as not all of his readers have read all of his books: many would have no idea what had just happened. So no, I personally do not feel this is the way. There is also this WoB: Quote Adolin's shardblade is a RAFO, as I want this to play out naturally and not squelch discussion. Suffice it to say that a dead Shardblade, under normal circumstances, is locked into a single form. We'll find out more about dead spren as the books move forward. He says he wants it to play out naturally and he confirms Shardblades, when dead, are locked into Blade form, under normal circumstances. This by itself should prevent any mass revival attempts. What will happen to Adolin's Blade remains a RAFO, but if something does happen, I do think the author has given us the key: it will happen naturally as if the revival would be the next logical move. As for what makes up for normal circumstances, well, we do not know. It may be how the oaths were broken for this specific Blade, it may be tied to whom used to yield it and it is likely tied to whom Adolin is. He also mentions "books" which make me think it won't happen in Oathbringer... but if the story does go down this way, I hope to see definite signs of it. Edited June 29, 2017 by maxal
Tesh Any pronouns Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 @maxal I honestly don't know. You might want to ask her. She's @Kaladinwillumarryme?.
NoiseSpren he/him Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 How about this: "Give the Honorblade to Adolin, because the best duelist on Roshar with windrunner powers is pretty useful!"
Dahak he/him Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 On 28/06/2017 at 8:46 PM, kari-no-sugata said: Unless Jasnah can travel much faster than a walking pace One might expect her having access to the Surge of Transportation and Hoid to help with that even if she can't go FTL. She has experimented with partially transiting into Shadesmar for example.
DocHoliday he/him Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 15 hours ago, Dahak said: One might expect her having access to the Surge of Transportation and Hoid to help with that even if she can't go FTL. She has experimented with partially transiting into Shadesmar for example. Transportation is an inaccurate science " if you know what you're doing. Jasnah does not." - BS SO I doubt that's doable. On 6/28/2017 at 5:07 PM, Calderis said: The only reason I disagree, and again this is based of my speculation of reviving the blade from the extremely limited information we have, is that living the Oaths is not enough in itself. He has to speak them, and mean them as an actual oath. It's possible for that to happen, and I suppose that in trying to decide how he is going to lead House Kholin he may actually speak some approximation of the Oaths... Hmmm. I could see that. His views, in contrast to the typical Alethi way. That would be quite effective actually. Deciding and saying that he will not let the fallen be forgotten, and he will listen to the needs of all, not just the influential lighteyes... I take it back. I don't think he'll need an Edgedancer. Perhaps, killing Sadeas was the beginning of this process. Anyone remember the Tower? It seems to fall to the wayside in discussion, in World and IRL. Thousands of men cast into a death trap, completely eclipsed by the emerging threat of an Everstorm; relinquished to the annals of history with no-one left to remember their sacrifices. Except one person who sought Justice for the fallen. One person who remembered the terror and the courage of those who gave all. I can just imagine Adolin pulling a Tyrion Lannister on trial. Heartfelt, sincere, and loaded to the gills with tempered frustration. I can totally see something like this going down.
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