Havon Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 So I got to thinking - is it possible to make a black hole from a combination of the gravity and atmospheric pressure surges. Or to create an area where anything entering a pressure surge was crushed and condensed into nothing coupled with a gravitational pull. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Wouldn't a black hole that small fizzle out from the Hawking radiation rather quickly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rooster he/him Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 I think it could be potentially possible with an infinitely redoubled reverse lashing, but you'd need infinite stormlight. So a shard could probably do this. You'd just need the gravity. It would also destroy the solar system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Count he/him Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) Wouldn't a black hole that small fizzle out from the Hawking radiation rather quickly?Call the Nobel committee immediately! We have test for the existence of Hawking radiation.I think creating a gravity field of this magnitude would be impossible, not to mention also redonculously overerpowered. the resulting sigularity would become self sustaining pretty quickly as the mass of Roshar accreted onto it. The whole Greater Rosharan system probably wouldn't survive. Edited February 6, 2014 by The Count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don_karma_II he/him Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 So I got to thinking - is it possible to make a black hole from a combination of the gravity and atmospheric pressure surges. Or to create an area where anything entering a pressure surge was crushed and condensed into nothing coupled with a gravitational pull. +1 up vote just for the thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromptj he/him Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 The Windrunner in question would die before it got anywhere near a singularity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isomere Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 sort of the opposite of THIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 What about skybreakers (gravity/division) then? Could they create black holes? Though my guess is 'no' on both Orders, else Roshar would have been long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloom he/him Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Even if it was possible, the first thing that would be sucked through would likely be ambient radiation and atmosphere. This would kill the surgebinder long before a stable anomaly could be established. He would either be blown into the anomaly or freeze to death. A pinpoint sized black hole opened in someones brain for a fraction of a second would be pretty effective though if that level of control was possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadewolf Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I'm not so sure about a true black hole, but it might be possible to increase the gravity coefficient of a rock so that it's attraction is really high and draws objects toward it with high acceleration. It could be used to quickly draw enemies into one spot, then the division surge could be used to finish off the grouped up enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Do that, but prop up a Shardblade in the centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaa he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) A pinpoint sized black hole opened in someones brain for a fraction of a second would be pretty effective though if that level of control was possible. Assuming that the black hole will be formed via Reverse Lashing, there will have to be physical contact between the target and the Surgebinder (I think this was established in the WoK prologue). So the pinpoint sized black hole will have to be on the target's skin, and the Surgebinder will likely have to sacrifice one or more fingers just to kill the target with that black hole. Edited February 10, 2014 by skaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromptj he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Is physical contact required for a reverse lashing? Because if not, a much more efficient use of stormlight would be to perform a reverse lashing on someone and throw lots of sharp pointy things at them or a few big heavy things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 As we know it so far, rev lashings require constant physical contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fric Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 This is a very interesting idea. Especially considering the line in Szeth's first chapter. Szeth slammed his hand to the side, pusing Stormlight into the doorframe, using the third and final type of Lashing, a Reverse Lashing. This one worked differently from the other two. It did not make the doorframe emit Stormlight; indeed, it seemed to pull nearby light into it, giving it a strange penumbra. I know this doesn't mean he made a black hole, but it's interesting that reverse lashings can have similar properties of bending light toward it. Also it is stated that reverse lashing's take comparatively little Stormlight, so it might make it easier to create since not as much Stormlight is needed. As far as the Windrunner dying because of the black hole, they seem to be immune to the gravitational effects of the the reverse lashing. When they stand in contact with the object to infuse the reverse lashing it doesn't pull Szeth towards it, but instead pulls things around him towards it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaa he/him Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) As far as the Windrunner dying because of the black hole, they seem to be immune to the gravitational effects of the the reverse lashing. When they stand in contact with the object to infuse the reverse lashing it doesn't pull Szeth towards it, but instead pulls things around him towards it. They are immune for the same reason that other people standing on the ground are immune: The normal use of Reverse Lashing is not strong enough to counteract Roshar's gravitational pull on objects that are on the surface, which is why only projectiles are affected in the few cases we've seen Reverse Lashing. Creating a black hole, though, (or even making something have a strong enough gravitational pull) will definitely mean it will pull harder than the planet. The Surgebinder's fingers won't stand a chance, at which point he will be forced to stop the Lashing to save his life. Edited February 11, 2014 by skaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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