Windrunners & Black Holes

[Havon]

So I got to thinking - is it possible to make a black hole from a combination of the gravity and atmospheric pressure surges. Or to create an area where anything entering a pressure surge was crushed and condensed into nothing coupled with a gravitational pull.

[Swimmingly he/him]

Wouldn't a black hole that small fizzle out from the Hawking radiation rather quickly?

[The Rooster he/him]

I think it could be potentially possible with an infinitely redoubled reverse lashing, but you'd need infinite stormlight.  So a shard could probably do this.  You'd just need the gravity.  It would also destroy the solar system.

[The Count he/him]

Wouldn't a black hole that small fizzle out from the Hawking radiation rather quickly?

Call the Nobel committee immediately! We have test for the existence of Hawking radiation.

I think creating a gravity field of this magnitude would be impossible, not to mention also redonculously overerpowered.

the resulting sigularity would become self sustaining pretty quickly as the mass of Roshar accreted onto it.

The whole Greater Rosharan system probably wouldn't survive.

Edited February 6, 2014 by The Count

[don_karma_II he/him]

So I got to thinking - is it possible to make a black hole from a combination of the gravity and atmospheric pressure surges. Or to create an area where anything entering a pressure surge was crushed and condensed into nothing coupled with a gravitational pull.

+1 up vote just for the thought.

[Cromptj he/him]

The Windrunner in question would die before it got anywhere near a singularity.

[Isomere]

sort of the opposite of THIS

[Aleksiel]

What about skybreakers (gravity/division) then? Could they create black holes?

Though my guess is 'no' on both Orders, else Roshar would have been long gone.  

[Gloom he/him]

Even if it was possible, the first thing that would be sucked through would likely be ambient radiation and atmosphere. This would kill the surgebinder long before a stable anomaly could be established. He would either be blown into the anomaly or freeze to death. A pinpoint sized black hole opened in someones brain for a fraction of a second would be pretty effective though if that level of control was possible.

[shadewolf]

I'm not so sure about a true black hole, but it might be possible to increase the gravity coefficient of a rock so that it's attraction is really high and draws objects toward it with high acceleration. It could be used to quickly draw enemies into one spot, then the division surge could be used to finish off the grouped up enemies.

[Swimmingly he/him]

Do that, but prop up a Shardblade in the centre.

[skaa he/him]

A pinpoint sized black hole opened in someones brain for a fraction of a second would be pretty effective though if that level of control was possible.

 

Assuming that the black hole will be formed via Reverse Lashing, there will have to be physical contact between the target and the Surgebinder (I think this was established in the WoK prologue). So the pinpoint sized black hole will have to be on the target's skin, and the Surgebinder will likely have to sacrifice one or more fingers just to kill the target with that black hole.

Edited February 10, 2014 by skaa

[Cromptj he/him]

Is physical contact required for a reverse lashing? Because if not, a much more efficient use of stormlight would be to perform a reverse lashing on someone and throw lots of sharp pointy things at them or a few big heavy things.

[Swimmingly he/him]

As we know it so far, rev lashings require constant physical contact.

[Fric]

This is a very interesting idea.  Especially considering the line in Szeth's first chapter.

 

Szeth slammed his hand to the side, pusing Stormlight into the doorframe, using the third and final type of Lashing, a Reverse Lashing.  This one worked differently from the other two.  It did not make the doorframe emit Stormlight; indeed, it seemed to pull nearby light into it, giving it a strange penumbra.

 

I know this doesn't mean he made a black hole, but it's interesting that reverse lashings can have similar properties of bending light toward it.

 

Also it is stated that reverse lashing's take comparatively little Stormlight, so it might make it easier to create since not as much Stormlight is needed.

 

As far as the Windrunner dying because of the black hole, they seem to be immune to the gravitational effects of the the reverse lashing.  When they stand in contact with the object to infuse the reverse lashing it doesn't pull Szeth towards it, but instead pulls things around him towards it.

[skaa he/him]

As far as the Windrunner dying because of the black hole, they seem to be immune to the gravitational effects of the the reverse lashing.  When they stand in contact with the object to infuse the reverse lashing it doesn't pull Szeth towards it, but instead pulls things around him towards it.

 

They are immune for the same reason that other people standing on the ground are immune: The normal use of Reverse Lashing is not strong enough to counteract Roshar's gravitational pull on objects that are on the surface, which is why only projectiles are affected in the few cases we've seen Reverse Lashing.

 

Creating a black hole, though, (or even making something have a strong enough gravitational pull) will definitely mean it will pull harder than the planet. The Surgebinder's fingers won't stand a chance, at which point he will be forced to stop the Lashing to save his life.

Edited February 11, 2014 by skaa