Complexityspren Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 So, this theory is fairly probably wrong, but it is possibly true and certainly interesting. This forum is called the Seventeenth Shard because Brandon said so, according to the post A welcome to 17th Shard, and the rules. As I was recently reading the first letter, I came across a line that says Quote I am being chased. Your friends of the Seventeenth Shard I suspect. I believe they're still lost, following a false trail I left for them. The author for this is probably Hoid, which leads me to believe perhaps some of the Hoid sightings in the book aren't actually Hoid. Again, I have no idea whether this has any grounding, but I enjoyed coming up with it. 2
Andy92 Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 I thought that line in the book was referring to the three worldhoppers who came to Roshar looking for Hoid in one of the interludes. Those three people still didn't know exactly where Hoid was. 2
Complexityspren Posted May 5, 2017 Author Posted May 5, 2017 To the best of of our knowledge, those people are confused members of the in-cosmere seventeenth shard, and it may be referring to them. Mostly though, I find it interesting that the Forum is named after them at Brandon's request.
Pagerunner he/him Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 It's possible, but I don't think dopplegangers is how Hoid has fooled them. I think he tricked them in how he exited Shadesmar into Roshar. The Seventeenth Shard is looking for him around the Purelake, presumably because there is a Shardpool around there. But Hoid actually went through in the Horneater Peaks, when Rock witnessed him. So, more that they're looking in the wrong place, is how I've interpreted that line. 4
I Am Witless she/her Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 It would be interesting if Brandon is misleading us, as the 17th Shard. I mean, we do spend a lot of time looking for Hoid, and even though we go in-depth into a lot of things, it would be interesting if we are following a 'false trail' somewhere. 2
Weltall Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 Oh, we've definitely been led down false trails by Brandon on multiple occasions... but in this case there's no particular reason to assume a fourth-wall breaking joke at our expense. Known Seventeenth Shard members are looking for Hoid in WoK (he's confirmed to have written the Letter by the way) and they're following a false trail that he left for them. No need to read anything more into it.
Obnoxiousspren Posted May 7, 2017 Posted May 7, 2017 We probably shouldn't read TOO much into it, cause he probably meant it just in the context of the book. However, I wouldn't put it passed Brandon to chuckle at himself while he puts that double-meaning-fourth-wall breaking comment into the dialogue. Not that it would mean anything significant, just that it would be a small poke at the audience. It wouldn't be the first time I feel like Hoid has broken the fourth wall. 3
Thanatos Posted May 7, 2017 Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) What are occasions were Hoid breaks the 4th wall? Edited May 7, 2017 by Thanatos
Weltall Posted May 8, 2017 Posted May 8, 2017 The most obvious one would be when he describes himself to Kaladin: Quote I began life as a thought, a concept, words on a page. 3
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 I think I have solved the mystery of the seventeenth shard... The in-cosmere seventeenth shard is actually a bunch of Sanderfans that found their way into the cosmere novels and are searching the cosmere relentlessly for a chance to meet Hoid. Since Hoid is the ultimate troll, he is running away from them. 5
Darkness he/him Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 7 hours ago, Weltall said: The most obvious one would be when he describes himself to Kaladin: That isn't a fourth wall breakage, that's actually a part of his back story and has recently been explained by Brandon. I'll try to find and edit in the quote if nobody beats me to it.
+Extesian he/him Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 50 minutes ago, Darkness said: That isn't a fourth wall breakage, that's actually a part of his back story and has recently been explained by Brandon. I'll try to find and edit in the quote if nobody beats me to it. If I may Quote Q: (...) like Hoid saying he got his life as words on a page. A: It can be taken both ways, but it is actually literal. I'm not sure how much I can say about this, but... Let's say that it's referencing where he got his nickname/pseudonym. Q: I thought he maybe stole a character from a book and (hid himself? indistinctive...) A: It is something like that. People think it's like a big wink breaking the 4th wall, but at the time I was just looking back at his past and wanted something I could say that is esoteric and referenced his past. From the Leipzig signing 3
Darkness he/him Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 That's where it was! Haha I read way too many signings and wobs in the last few days. Thanks
+Extesian he/him Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 Just now, Darkness said: That's where it was! Haha I read way too many signings and wobs in the last few days. Thanks Yeah I basically incorporated all the signing transcripts I could find this year (as theoryland hasn't been updated since Dec16) into a single document for easy searching. That, theoryland and now hopefully @Pagerunner's genius reddit archive make searching for WoBs so much easier
Rage_Fortress he/him Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 Every time I read this interlude I think Ishikk might know where Hoid is. After talking with the members of the 17th shard he thinks to himself something along the lines of "A fool's errand indeed." I always thought that this was a hint as to the fact that he knew Hoid was playing the part of Wit which is the closest thing this series has to an Imperial fool. 2
Renecade Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 20 hours ago, Drake Marshall said: I think I have solved the mystery of the seventeenth shard... The in-cosmere seventeenth shard is actually a bunch of Sanderfans that found their way into the cosmere novels and are searching the cosmere relentlessly for a chance to meet Hoid. Since Hoid is the ultimate troll, he is running away from them. You probably said that jokingly, but we know that at least one of the in-world 17th Sharders (Demoux) is based on a real world Sanderfan/friend of Sanderson's, so it's entirely possible that some of the others are too! 1
Darkness he/him Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 11 hours ago, theuntaintedchild said: Every time I read this interlude I think Ishikk might know where Hoid is. After talking with the members of the 17th shard he thinks to himself something along the lines of "A fool's errand indeed." I always thought that this was a hint as to the fact that he knew Hoid was playing the part of Wit which is the closest thing this series has to an Imperial fool. I actually have that in my long list of questions when I see Brandon in June haha, picked it up on my last reread
Rage_Fortress he/him Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 12 hours ago, Darkness said: I actually have that in my long list of questions when I see Brandon in June haha, picked it up on my last reread Awesome. I'll keep an eye out for the answer in the WoBs.
Pagerunner he/him Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 13 hours ago, Darkness said: I actually have that in my long list of questions when I see Brandon in June haha, picked it up on my last reread What's in June? The next event on Brandon's website is SLCC in September.
Darkness he/him Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, Pagerunner said: What's in June? The next event on Brandon's website is SLCC in September. he's in Sydney in June
+Extesian he/him Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, Darkness said: he's in Sydney in June Do you know the details? I heard he's at supanova but I can't find a schedule to know when he's on or what further details. I'm not interested in the rest of the con, and I live in Canberra but maybe I can make it work
Darkness he/him Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) edit in: All I could find was from twitter. Katelyn Gigante @Silasary 16 Feb 16 @BrandSanderson @nookBN When will you next be touring Australia? Brandon Sanderson @BrandSanderson @Silasary @nookBN Summer 2017 Supanova! #nooktalks 1:27 PM - 16 Feb 2016 Edited May 10, 2017 by Darkness tickets just started going on sale for supanova Sydney, but they havent released the timetables for it yet. Brandon should be there at some point though... i think the tickets are $26. If i cant find more details tomorrow, i'll try summoning Peter 1
Complexityspren Posted May 10, 2017 Author Posted May 10, 2017 More tenuous evidence for a Hoid troll: in Warbreaker, on can find the line Quote Not every quick-tounged fool was a hero in disguise. Again, probably nothing, but not really shakier than my original claim.
Farnsworth Posted May 11, 2017 Posted May 11, 2017 How would Hoid make the dopplegangers? Lightweaving? Yolen magic? Hired stooges?
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted May 11, 2017 Posted May 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, Figberts said: How would Hoid make the dopplegangers? Lightweaving? Yolen magic? Hired stooges? Hired kandra stooges imbued with yolen lightweaving. 1
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