Argent he/him Posted December 14, 2016 Posted December 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Segren said: That’s… not as far off as people laughing think that it is. [More laughter] It’s not a space station, it’s not that futuristic, but there is a place in the Cosmere where a lot of worldhoppers have settled, is where Iyatil is from, even though her ethnicity is not from there. Yeah, I think that pretty much settles it.
VirtuousTraveller Posted December 14, 2016 Author Posted December 14, 2016 22 hours ago, emailanimal said: 1. They talk about Roashar being the fourth land. It is possible that they fled through Nalthis, as part of their Trail. Perhaps some people stayed on Nalthis. In looking at the little we know about Nalthis history, the Pahn Kahl people worshipped nature and viewed the storms of the Bright Sea as a manifestation of the "unity" of their gods (per the Coppermind). They're the only group on the planet that has even a slim connection to anything Iriali (unity of things...storm worship maybe related to the Cognitive Realm pathway to Roshar?), but it's weak at best. The colorful designs and patterns they paint on their bodies. The intense color of their hair. Color and hair were mentioned a lot in Warbreaker, but what about the yellow eye color? The Iriali also offer up golden petals to Cusicesh - maybe they recognize flowers as something special, like the Tears of Edgli? Any thoughts on other connections to Nalthis? 1
Demiandre he/him Posted December 14, 2016 Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) This mass exodus happened presumably a long time ago, over a long period of time I figure. People culture and customs change over time on a given planet. Even civilizations changes with time. It might be useless to try to find too obvious connections in different cultures on different planets from a same core people. WoT spoiler Spoiler The Aiel were originally one people bound to peace and services to the greater good, yet they ended up as different cultures who couldn't remember they were one, and they were living on the same continent. If we have to seek a relation it would be in linguistic, myths and lores. Something deeper than just coincidences. For example, ancient religions and Legends of time long past will have truthes that might reflect one another. Iyatil just proves that there are false trails (pun intended), because she was obviously Scadrian while just being a descendant of them. With Bavadin, we have reasons not to believe myths because she could have taken over or created a religion. And if we look toward Ym's philosophy, what we have to look at is IMO not unity, rather multiplicity. One separated into anything to experience the world. Unity would only be a finality (or a causality at first, as he became "many us, people") I have in mind with regards to Nalthis the Manywar (yes, just for the name) However, this passage strikes at tme : Quote The One, who is both male and female, did so to experience all things. Don't we know someone, who is both male and female, and seems to be everywhere being everyone ? Edited December 14, 2016 by Demiandre Typos 3
Jondesu he/him Posted December 15, 2016 Posted December 15, 2016 9 hours ago, Demiandre said: Don't we know someone, who is both male and female, and seems to be everywhere being everyone ? Wow, that's an interesting connection I never pieced together, since I haven't reread that since the WoB came out about Bavadin. I wonder if the Iri were originally Daysiders, who migrated enmass from Threnody due to the harsh conditions or on Autonomy's instructions, but carried with them the concept of their "god", and spread it throughout the Cosmere. That could also very well fit with the idea of a pantheon of gods that are all Bavadin, established originally by the Iri on one of their previous stops.
Corax Posted December 15, 2016 Posted December 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Jondesu said: Wow, that's an interesting connection I never pieced together, since I haven't reread that since the WoB came out about Bavadin. I wonder if the Iri were originally Daysiders, who migrated enmass from Threnody due to the harsh conditions or on Autonomy's instructions, but carried with them the concept of their "god", and spread it throughout the Cosmere. That could also very well fit with the idea of a pantheon of gods that are all Bavadin, established originally by the Iri on one of their previous stops. I agree, that's a fascinating angle. I have had a pet theory that some of the people on the west of Roshar are from Dayside, mostly because 'shin' seems to roughly translate as 'people' in Lossandin (and maybe Kerztian). And while we know now that the Shin people have a different language family than the Iri, the vocabulary could be from either (or a completely different) language.
emailanimal he/him Posted December 15, 2016 Posted December 15, 2016 16 hours ago, Jondesu said: I wonder if the Iri were originally Daysiders, who migrated enmass from Threnody due to the harsh conditions or on Autonomy's instructions, but carried with them the concept of their "god", and spread it throughout the Cosmere. That could also very well fit with the idea of a pantheon of gods that are all Bavadin, established originally by the Iri on one of their previous stops. From the moment I read Ym's Interlude, I've always believe that the One is a reference to Adonalsium and The One wanting to be many may actually be a very corrupted memory of what happened on Yolen when the Shattering happened. My mistake was assuming that this is Ym's personal belief - it is actually an Irali belief/myth/religion/you name it. Now, it is also possible that Bavadin is the One, and the reference to the One becoming Many to gain EXP refers to "pantheons of Bavadin" we've been hearing about. But I still prefer the version where the story of the One is a shadow of a shadow of the Shattering. If that's the case, it would put the Irali's ancestors on Yolen around the time of the Shattering, and would make them start the Long Trail shortly after. For example fleeing Spoiler fainlife. One (or more) of the Shards could've helped them on their trail. There are Earth analogs. I mentioned the Trail of Tears. Another clear reference is the Biblical Exidous. Later parts of the Old Testament record events that are historical. We do not have significant historical records concerning the flight of Jews from Egypt, but it is something that sounds like a tribal legend that is rooted in generations upon generations of retelling of an origin story that did happen. The Iri (is it Iri or Irali?) might have the same thing going on. 1
Jondesu he/him Posted December 15, 2016 Posted December 15, 2016 I also thought of Adolnasium originally, but since we know Adolnasium was shattered rather than willingly splitting, I think Bavadin/Autonomy may fit better. There could be some mixing of stories since that would be an old story if so.
lidrevan Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) Could the Amians be the folks of the mass exodus? In edge dancer Lift asks what are you and he replies I am a refugee. He also mentions traveling a land she will never visit. Edited January 4, 2017 by lidrevan added the last line.
The Invested Beard Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 3 hours ago, lidrevan said: Could the Amians be the folks of the mass exodus? In edge dancer Lift asks what are you and he replies I am a refugee. He also mentions traveling a land she will never visit. I think that's just a reference to the scouring of the Aimian homeland that occured on Roshar.
VirtuousTraveller Posted January 17, 2017 Author Posted January 17, 2017 Quote QUESTION The hair color: is there a link between the hair color in Warbreaker and the hair color in—like with the Alethi always have black, and I can't remember the other country that always have their gold hair coloring? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes. You are noticing something very interesting which was done deliberately I just found this WoB...I'm feeling more convinced that the Iri once lived on Nalthis. 2
ParadoxicalZen he/him Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 Especially, with Bavadin and the recent Topic on the definition of Autonomy, it actually fits quite well
Unodus he/him Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) has nobody tried drawing a connection between the Iri and the Ire? To me, that seems a little too much of a coincidence to overlook- that two worldhopping organisations should share so similar a name. Edited January 18, 2017 by Unodus
Pagerunner he/him Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, Unodus said: has nobody tried drawing a connection between the Iri and the Ire? To me, that seems a little too much of a coincidence to overlook- that two worldhopping organisations should share so similar a name. There's also an Aon Ati, which has no connection to the former vessel of Ruin. Sometimes, stuff just sounds similar - Brandon makes up a lot of words, and there are only 26 letters to work with.
Unodus he/him Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Pagerunner said: There's also an Aon Ati, which has no connection to the former vessel of Ruin. Sometimes, stuff just sounds similar - Brandon makes up a lot of words, and there are only 26 letters to work with. One could argue to the contrary using the Worldsingers/Worldbringers case, there are many parallels. And, personally- unless there's a WoB to say otherwise, I don't think Ati is a coincidence. Ruin and hope both share connotations of change, and I can see a connection to the concept of pandoras box (ie: a box that when opened once will destroy the world, but when opened twice will give the world hope). idk, just throwing it out there v:
Pagerunner he/him Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Unodus said: One could argue to the contrary using the Worldsingers/Worldbringers case, there are many parallels. And, personally- unless there's a WoB to say otherwise, I don't think Ati is a coincidence. Ruin and hope both share connotations of change, and I can see a connection to the concept of pandoras box (ie: a box that when opened once will destroy the world, but when opened twice will give the world hope). idk, just throwing it out there v: Aon Ati was drawn from the name of a real-life person, 'cause it's the only combination of letters that fit the Aon linguistic pattern. The short story with Matisse was written while Brandon was working on Mistborn 2, so he had already named atium (and therefore Ati).
Full Metal Rithmatist Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 22 hours ago, VirtuousTraveller said: I just found this WoB...I'm feeling more convinced that the Iri once lived on Nalthis. Maybe alethi have black hair because everyone expects them to have black hair. The returned look the way they do because thats how theyre EXPECTED to look.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 4 hours ago, Unodus said: One could argue to the contrary using the Worldsingers/Worldbringers case, there are many parallels. Those organizations are connected by/to Hoid, which makes it a special case by technicality.
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